Could it Be? (EO returning to EPCOT)

Expo_Seeker40

Well-Known Member
I'm now actually seriously looking at visiting Disneyland for my first time this summer (mainly to see this, and WoC)......epcot explorer, get the station wagon, marni1971, make sure you and Michelle are flying into LAX and not MCO, I've got to find a sweatshirtmom to take with me, and an ickyplant from epcot to plant somewhere in DL.
 

EPCOT Explorer

New Member
I'm now actually seriously looking at visiting Disneyland for my first time this summer (mainly to see this, and WoC)......epcot explorer, get the station wagon, marni1971, make sure you and Michelle are flying into LAX and not MCO, I've got to find a sweatshirtmom to take with me, and an ickyplant from epcot to plant somewhere in DL.

:lol::sohappy:


How I wish I could go. :lol:


But I think you should see Nightastic sometime in June....:lookaroun
 

HMF

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
Don't worry folks' Some of the Disneyland people are angry because they did not bring back some of the effects. Oh BTW' Disneyland is beating WDW big time in total revenue.
 

nibblesandbits

Well-Known Member
I agree completely, and I think it's not so much the "memory of the attraction" replacing the reality of the attraction here. I think, and I know this has been a divisive issue around here so I won't go into depth, it's the reality of the performer being glossed over with his death. Obviously we can't go back in time two years, but I would bet that if we did and showed the general population an excerpt from this video about Michael Jackson as a space commander, most would have absolutely no interest in seeing it. Suddenly, however, the whole world is a Michael Jackson fan.

My point is that this doesn't have so much to do with people being nostalgic for Captain EO (although I'm sure there are plenty who are), I think it has to do with people being nostalgic for Michael Jackson. While Thriller, Billie Jean, etc., were a bit products of their time, they have still aged much better than Captain EO. I wonder what people who have never seen Captain EO (or haven't seen it in a long time) will think. I have showed several friends the videos on YouTube, and they've laughed for the duration, pointing out that it's one of the dumbest things they've ever seen. These people probably aren't representative of the general Disney-going population, but I think the point still stands.

I don't normally have a problem with nostalgia or with nostalgic aspects of WDW returning to the contemporary parks. I think Dreamfinder should return. I think the score to Tomorrow's Child would be fine on SpaceShip Earth. However, I limit my intake of nostalgia to nostalgia that is not self indulgent. Nostaliga merely for nostalgia's sake is dangerous because it implicitly concedes that we don't care if the parks improve--we're satisfied with old technology, old attractions, everything the way it was in 1971, 1982, 1994, or whatever year you thought Disney was at its pinnacle.

I disagree with that. I think nostalgia is only fine when it is embraced because there is a substantive quality to it that warrants retaining. With that retention should come improvements and refinements, adaptations to evolving standards of technology, and other such changes to make that nostalgia a representation of "the best possible" Disney.

There is no such quality in Captain EO as it will be returning. It's a dated attraction being brought back without any updates, and it's of poor quality (in many respects) by today's standards. Even after I get past the issues of bringing back a Michael Jackson attraction, that still doesn't sit well with me. The parks should be evolving, not stagnating or degrading. The rationale that "Honey I Shrunk the Audience sucks too" is not a legitimate rationale for bringing back EO. It's a cop out.
quoted for truth and exactly how I wanted to word my post...just WAY better than I could have ever done. :lol:
 

T-1MILLION

New Member
Don't worry folks' Some of the Disneyland people are angry because they did not bring back some of the effects. Oh BTW' Disneyland is beating WDW big time in total revenue.

With today's technology and expectations that is insane. They should of added more if anything.
 

T-1MILLION

New Member
It's a quick-fix cash-in. What did you expect?

The Disney difference. But yeah, you said it all. As long as the merch flies off the shelves Disney will be at contentment.

The theater is already updated from Honey I Shrunk the audience with many possible effects that could of been added to enhance the show better than ever with really no major cost...at all.
 

DarthGrady

Active Member
God forbid they actually do something that pleases the FANS. I'm sick and tired of every single thing done at the parks being aimed at the general guest who cares nothing about the parks and only goes once every 5 or 10 years. You take away things like Alien Encounter and The Timekeeper (using examples that hit close to home) and those guests don't care if they're replacements are average (MILF) or just horrible (SGE). They have no vested interest.

Fans care about that 1972-era parade because it is one of the best things Disney has ever done, IMO. They care about retro merchandise because it reminds them of a time when they were either first introduced to the parks or it reminds them of a time when the parks were better than they are today.

The fundamental flaw in the way the business is being run now is that quality isn't as important as it used to be. In the 1990's if an attraction was being replaced, you expected the replacement to be a better attraction. Nowadays it is a success when a replacement isn't horrible. To paraphrase Cranium Command, they've had some successes to go along with those failures, but it is not the same.

I think the parks fanbase (and to a larger extent myself) are also sick and tired of EVERY SINGLE new addition to the parks being something that is pre-existing character based. At least EO was an ORIGINAL story that was park specific. Even as a child I owned Figment, Big Al, and Fuzzball (from EO) plushes more that those of the Fab 5. There is something special to me about characters that only exist in the parks. And that is something that is sadly becoming a thing of the past.

The bottom line, IMO, people weren't craving for retro merchandise in the 1990's because the attractions being built during that era didn't make you starve for a better time. If that were the case now, maybe I won't look forward to walking into MouseGear and buying every "EPCOT Center" shirt I see as being one of the MAJOR highlights of a yearly WDW trip.

:sohappy::sohappy::sohappy::sohappy::sohappy:

Post of the week!!!!!
 

sponono88

Well-Known Member
The Disney difference. But yeah, you said it all. As long as the merch flies off the shelves Disney will be at contentment.

The theater is already updated from Honey I Shrunk the audience with many possible effects that could of been added to enhance the show better than ever with really no major cost...at all.

the moving floor and wind effects from HISTA are being used for EO.
 

_Scar

Active Member
Don't worry folks' Some of the Disneyland people are angry because they did not bring back some of the effects. Oh BTW' Disneyland is beating WDW big time in total revenue.


Do you have proof of this? I thought I read attendance went up but revenue remained the same- the AP isn't quite doing DL good or so it seems on paper.

Btw, I think you mean the MK.
 

hrcollectibles

Active Member
I see the point of your post, and agree in it's idea, but I have to ask...(about what I bolded) how is this " nostalgia for nostalgia's sake?". MJ passed away. There's a reason for all this resurgence in his media and work. I think that's well worth a reason to bring this back.


If it was brought back randomly, with no reason and MJ still alive, sure, I understand. But this isn't unfounded...Without sounding overly histrionic, it's for his memory and for his fan's memories of him, in Disney. Perfect, IMHO.

And the reason Captain Eo was brought back was because Michael Jackson Died. Not bcause this is a great film. The film, in my opinion, is horrible..It wasn't good then so I do not so what would make it good now.
 

PhantomX

New Member
Well the numbers are in and Captain EO was a GIGANTIC sucess. Disney made far more money in merchandise sales than they expected today. TDA is being rewarded for listening to fans.

Meanwhile WDW is still boring.
 

the-reason14

Well-Known Member
Well the numbers are in and Captain EO was a GIGANTIC sucess. Disney made far more money in merchandise sales than they expected today. TDA is being rewarded for listening to fans.

Meanwhile WDW is still boring.

Maybe the head honchos at WDW will hear and see this and add eo as apart of this years summer nightastic. I hope so because if WDW can get an old dated parade back with open arms, why cant it get back a 3d show?
 

Next Big Thing

Well-Known Member
Well the numbers are in and Captain EO was a GIGANTIC sucess. Disney made far more money in merchandise sales than they expected today. TDA is being rewarded for listening to fans.

Meanwhile WDW is still boring.
Today was the grand re-opening, what do you expect but for people to buy merchandise and for it to be busy? Of course give it maybe a day or so and things will all get back to normal. There will be pretty much no lines and, while people will still buy merch for a while, they will see a huge drop in merchandise after a couple months b/c the majority of visitors are AP holders and most of them will already have this stuff if they want it by then.

For DL, a park that revolves around APers and more nostalgic park goers, this is probably a nice short term thing. I just don't see it working out in the same way with as much of a positive reaction here (there actually has been some complaints, but for the most part good). A lot of people would just say it is old and stale and they'd be right. The only reason to bring it back is for:

1. Nostalgic Reasons (which like I said the majority of park goers at WDW wouldn't appreciate like the AP crowd does at DL)
2. Capitalizing on the death of the Captain (in other words - Disney smells the $$$)
3. Short term replacement for HISTA (which is a positive I guess seeing that HISTA would be gone, but that also could lead to bad things as well)
 

Mr.EPCOT

Active Member
Well the numbers are in and Captain EO was a GIGANTIC sucess. Disney made far more money in merchandise sales than they expected today. TDA is being rewarded for listening to fans.

Meanwhile WDW is still boring.

Can we see those numbers and the source, please?

There were people tweeting around 4:30-5:00 that there was absolutely no line for it.
 

sponono88

Well-Known Member
Can we see those numbers and the source, please?

There were people tweeting around 4:30-5:00 that there was absolutely no line for it.

I read the same thing.. but I also read reports that after-work and after-school crowds were starting to pick up later on in the evening.
 

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