News Cost Cutting Measures Coming Early 2025

[co10064]

I feel like all of the Orlando parks suffer from spending too much money on projects that deliver too little.

Toy Story Land and Dreamworks being prime examples.

Time for a mini-rant (haha):

DreamWorks Land is atrocious and has no business in a world premier theme park. It’s barely a step above Six Flags.

That a third party park like Motion Gate Dubai does better with your own IP is sad.

The Shrek area is nice enough, but the franchise deserves a true ride, and the flat cutouts of the Trolls characters are a slap in the face. To open a “new land” without a new ride is pathetic.

That being said… I didn’t see much marketing for the land, so maybe Universal recognizes it for what it is.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

From this filing (https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1744489/000095015724000366/defa14a.htm)

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There’s a bit of misunderstanding here. 60B is a guidelines essentially for what the company plans to report from fiscal years 2024 (October 2023)-2033 (October 2033). Which of course includes DCL Adventure, Treasure and the vast majority of Destiny. A portion of lighthouse point. It doesn’t really matter when anything is announced, but when the money is spent.

Likely we may have a couple major projects on the go that won’t open until 2034 or beyond where significant money will be spent during this fiscal guidance.

This slide was why I was so sure new ships were imminent before D23. I had said 3-5 depending on the sizing and the leftover money from the already known projects.

None of that is binding, Ace

One of the big myths we keep kicking around is that the SEC cares at all what Disney does or does not spending money on.

As long as it doesn’t go to Iran or Russia…the sec is on autopilot.

Let’s do better

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Time for a mini-rant (haha):

DreamWorks Land is atrocious and has no business in a world premier theme park. It’s barely a step above Six Flags.

That a third party park like Motion Gate Dubai does better with your own IP is sad.

The Shrek area is nice enough, but the franchise deserves a true ride, and the flat cutouts of the Trolls characters are a slap in the face. To open a “new land” without a new ride is pathetic.

That being said… I didn’t see much marketing for the land, so maybe Universal recognizes it for what it is.

It’s probably just more a placeholder. That side of the lake is inline for major redo/expansion space once the gross Simpsons land goes

Now will it ever happen? Totally up to fate/the gods

 

[jrhwdw]

Related?:

 

[wdwmagic]

Related?:

I believe it is maintenance, more at https://www.wdwmagic.com/attraction...ns-early-closings-through-february-6-2025.htm

 

[Tha Realest]

Related?:

Doesn’t have to be binary - could be both (low demand due to weather as well as being viewed as mediocre even when “working”)

 

[jrhwdw]

I believe it is maintenance, more at https://www.wdwmagic.com/attraction...ns-early-closings-through-february-6-2025.htm

Thanks Steve!

 

[bmr1591]

Doesn’t have to be binary - could be both (low demand due to weather as well as being viewed as mediocre even when “working”)

You would think it would be logical that low demand would mean turn off Virtual Queue.

 

[JMcMahonEsq]

You would think it would be logical that low demand would mean turn off Virtual Queue.

Why?

Virtual Queue still allows customers to not have to waste time waiting in line.

Virtual Queue still acts as a revenue stream.

Why would it be logical to turn it off?

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

Virtual Queue still acts as a revenue stream.

Virtual Queue is free, and Tiana’s is a LLMP attraction. The idea that having it on a VQ somehow drives more LLMP sales is attenuated at best.

But sure, in principle it would be nice if they had enough capacity so that every ride was a Virtual Queue (that doesnt sell out). That will never happen unfortunately.

 

[bmr1591]

Why?

Virtual Queue still allows customers to not have to waste time waiting in line.

Virtual Queue still acts as a revenue stream.

Why would it be logical to turn it off?

Guest satisfaction scores.

 

[James Alucobond]

Guest satisfaction scores.

... Does guest satisfaction go up without VQ? Especially with something as unreliable as TBA has been, I imagine traditional standby would result in poorer satisfaction since your wait can be wasted if the attraction fails. Better to just never have your boarding group called.

 

[DisneyHead123]

Why?

Virtual Queue still allows customers to not have to waste time waiting in line.

Virtual Queue still acts as a revenue stream.

Why would it be logical to turn it off?

I did a parks survey recently that asked about virtual queues on TBA specifically. I said I preferred standby just because I don’t like the unpredictable nature of virtual queues, which can fill up early in the day. With standby, if it turns out a relative is going to watch my son while my husband and I go back to the park in the evening, it’s possible we could find a low wait time during the fireworks. Virtual queue might mean we’re out of luck.

I like the idea of virtual lines better in theory but in practice I’d rather have the reliability of the “just wait in line to ride” option.

 

[JMcMahonEsq]

Guest satisfaction scores.

I am much more satisfied not having to wait in line for extended period of time to board a ride, as opposed to knowing i have a certain time slot, and being able to do other things with my time.

Also Guest Satisfaction is completely irrelevant. Guest SPENDING is a relevant metric. Satisfaction is a secondary consideration only so much as it effects spending.

 

[LSLS]

Virtual Queue is free, and Tiana’s is a LLMP attraction. The idea that having it on a VQ somehow drives more LLMP sales is attenuated at best.

But sure, in principle it would be nice if they had enough capacity so that every ride was a Virtual Queue (that doesnt sell out). That will never happen unfortunately.

There's also the idea that if you aren't in line for a ride you might be in line for a souvenir or a snack.

 

[Andrew25]

I think VQ at Tiana's (or GOTG) is pretty simple... create a false sense of "limited availability" to drive guests towards Lightning Lane.

GOTG also benefits Epcot by having people elsewhere in the park (preferably World Showcase Food & Beverage) over a queue.

I think VQ should be used during busier days solely. Closing the VQ and sending out empty trains in the early/later parts of the day is poor guest experience.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

am much more satisfied not having to wait in line for extended period of time to board a ride, as opposed to knowing i have a certain time slot, and being able to do other things with my time.

When I have gotten a VQ I’ve still had to wait in line for an “extended period of time”

 

[lazyboy97o]

There’s a reason Epic Universe won’t be a virtual queue park like Volcano Bay. Virtual queues are great until you are stuck standing in a huge line for something with a bunch of other virtual queuers.

 

[JMcMahonEsq]

When I have gotten a VQ I’ve still had to wait in line for an “extended period of time”

Really? That hasn't been my experience at all. Once we have a VQ, I know i don't have to rush out and wait around for that ride. We get to go about our day, doing LL rides, eating, shoping ect., never having to just sit around in line waiting. Once your boarding group is called absent the the first month or two of a ride, I have never really seen "extended periods of time" as a wait. Certainly nothing approaching wait times on stand by of some of the more popular rides.

 

[BrianLo]

None of that is binding, Ace

One of the big myths we keep kicking around is that the SEC cares at all what Disney does or does not spending money on.

As long as it doesn’t go to Iran or Russia…the sec is on autopilot.

Let’s do better

I know. If you followed the conversation you’d see I basically said that previously. DCL of course can be scrapped as Genting was, but this just starts to turn silly and meaningless. I’m not the one with black and white thinking here.

I feel 98% confident DCLs orders will carry through, the cruise industry doesn’t have current signs of distress. It would take another pandemic event to disrupt spending there and even still a few more financially perilous operations didn’t cancel their orders.