Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Polkadotdress

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So that's the problem with being in a trial, you are not guaranteed status. If she has proof of vaccination at this stage (which I am guessing is the case based on what I just read from an article earlier this summer?) then it would be up to each requiring vaccination to decide if it is valid. Until it does have approval somewhere in the globe then yes, unvaccinated is the status for most things like travel. Keep in mind AZ/Oxford trial participants are there too, though they have been unblinded. Though globally should might be okay since they have their vaccine status at this point (they were unblinded only as vaccines became available to them and WHO approved edit to add link https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/agency/who/). If you look at cruises and such, they are often specific on which they accept. Ohio State is very specific and allows a lot of global vaccines. It is a negative to doing the trial. I knew if proof was required, I could be SOL. For example I didn't even get my vaccine card until about 6 months after the fact. Though I had a letter starting end of Jan.
She had wanted to join her friends on a cruise, but that was a hard NO from the cruise lines as they don’t consider her vaxx’d. Instead they went to an all-inclusive in the Bahamas. And although Bahamas did not consider her vaxx’d, she was able to take the Covid tests multiple times (before, and then again when there) ala a non-vaxx’d person.

So frustrating, as she is being penalized for doing something good.
 

DisneyFan32

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In the Parks
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How long the pandemic will gonna ending very soon? 2022? is Federal Transportation extending mask mandate until January 2022?
 

correcaminos

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She had wanted to join her friends on a cruise, but that was a hard NO from the cruise lines as they don’t consider her vaxx’d. Instead they went to an all-inclusive in the Bahamas. And although Bahamas did not consider her vaxx’d, she was able to take the Covid tests multiple times (before, and then again when there) ala a non-vaxx’d person.

So frustrating, as she is being penalized for doing something good.
I know it sucks, but that is something that people in the trials ran the risk of. Sadly a few of trials that were later are losing participants due to this. Just keep in mind she can drop out at any time if it does get in the way too much. I know it feels like a total punishment, but be proud that she was trying to help. Hopefully someone will approve it soon and can have her covered as many just need WHO approval globally. I am curious were they unblinded? Articles I read suggested it but didn't say for sure (just that they were going to).
 

DCBaker

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"Florida on Friday reported to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that 17,506 COVID-19 cases were added Thursday, according to Miami Herald calculations of CDC data.

The state also reported no new deaths Thursday. In all, Florida has recorded at least 3,308,731 confirmed COVID cases and 45,909 deaths.

In the last seven days, on average, the state has added 324 deaths and 18,463 cases each day, according to Herald calculations of CDC data."

"There were 14,577 people hospitalized for COVID-19 in Florida on Friday, according to data reported to the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services from 260 Florida hospitals. That is 372 fewer patients than Thursday’s COVID patient population.

COVID-19 patients also accounted for 24.97% of all hospital patients.

Of the hospitalized in Florida, 3,270 people were in intensive care unit beds, a decrease of 70. That represents 49.38% of the state’s ICU hospital beds from 260 hospitals reporting data."

 

hopemax

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It doesn't feel like it should be surprising that people motivated to help their fellow humans by donating blood are also motivated to help their fellow humans by getting vaccinated. The study period concluded in May, so not only were many people vaccinated, they likely got vaccinated as soon as they were eligible. But there are limits of what to apply to the general population based on this. These high numbers within a subset of the population, didn't protect the unvaccinated against Delta in July.
 

DisneyCane

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It doesn't feel like it should be surprising that people motivated to help their fellow humans by donating blood are also motivated to help their fellow humans by getting vaccinated. The study period concluded in May, so not only were many people vaccinated, they likely got vaccinated as soon as they were eligible. But there are limits of what to apply to the general population based on this. These high numbers within a subset of the population, didn't protect the unvaccinated against Delta in July.
The more interesting part of the study was the estimate that 20% have natural antibodies which gives a better idea of how many infections there have really been. That information can also be used to estimate how many people currently have no immunity because we know for sure how many are vaccinated (both with one dose or two).
 

hopemax

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The more interesting part of the study was the estimate that 20% have natural antibodies which gives a better idea of how many infections there have really been. That information can also be used to estimate how many people currently have no immunity because we know for sure how many are vaccinated (both with one dose or two).
It's still a weighted/ biased subset. I imagine if you broke down blood donors by profession you would find some professions are more represented than the average. Medical workers and others who see first-hand, the need for blood donors, who themselves donate. Police, fire, EMS, social services, etc. But these professions, since they help people in need, would have been the group most likely exposed and infected before vaccines.
 

aliceismad

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Here's the actual study, which clearly states in the abstract's conclusion "Despite weighting to adjust for demographic differences, these findings from a national sample of blood donors may not be representative of the entire US population." Later, in the Limitations section, it notes: "Fourth, vaccine-induced seroprevalence might be higher in blood donors than in the general population." Also, obviously this did not include children under the age of 16.

It seems disingenuous for Newsweek to say "CDC Finds Over 83 Percent of Americans Had COVID Antibodies Before Delta Surge" (Newsweek does note the conclusion, but not until the third to last paragraph.)

 
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hopemax

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So what do people think this weekend's gatherings will do? Kick off another round, or are people staying home for once?
 

GoofGoof

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Here's the actual study, which clearly states in the abstract's conclusion "Despite weighting to adjust for demographic differences, these findings from a national sample of blood donors may not be representative of the entire US population." Later, in the Limitations section, it notes: "Fourth, vaccine-induced seroprevalence might be higher in blood donors than in the general population." Also, obviously this did not include children under the age of 16.

It seems disingenuous for Newsweek to say "CDC Finds Over 83 Percent of Americans Had COVID Antibodies Before Delta Surge"

Are we assuming everyone vaccinated has anti-bodies? If so 74.5% of adults have at least one shot and we know there have been a bunch of infections in unvaccinated people. It doesn’t seem unreasonable that the national average for adults would be somewhere over 80% between vaccination and natural immunity.
 

aliceismad

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Are we assuming everyone vaccinated has anti-bodies? If so 74.5% of adults have at least one shot and we know there have been a bunch of infections in unvaccinated people. It doesn’t seem unreasonable that the national average for adults would be somewhere over 80% between vaccination and natural immunity.
I assume each person would have some level of antibodies from one shot; however, the result of this study was in May 2021. At that point, vaccination rates were lower. Per the study "CDC estimates that 57.0% of US adults aged 18 years and older had received 1 dose or more of vaccine by May 2021."
 

Andrew C

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Some third shot news...

 

mmascari

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So what do people think this weekend's gatherings will do?
I think it's going to have very regional impacts. Places that are bad will get worse, places that aren't as bad will not get as much worse. For definitions of better/worse that include both current case counts and vaccination percent.

So, FL vs say MA will both likely see a bump. But the FL bump is going to be way worse. Both because FL is starting at a much worse level, so even if both see a 5% bump, the FL 5% is larger. And because the MA vaccination rate is enough higher that it's likely to see a smaller bump of the smaller starting number.

Kick off another round, or are people staying home for once?
I'm guessing this was a serious question, but I read it as a joke. 😂

If we've only learned one thing in the last 18 months, it's that people don't change and there's no chance of a "for once" change. 🤔
 
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