Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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DisneyFan32

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In the Parks
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The pandemic is not going to "end" anytime soon - not at current vaccination rates.
So it make takes many years to ending the pandemic soon......:cry::cry::cry::cry: It also will takes years federal transportation ending mask mandate soon...:cry::cry::cry::cry: I wish current vaccination rates will go fast by next year or 2023-2026. How many years when the pandemic will ending soon? @October82 @GoofGoof @helenabear @disneygeek90 @Lilofan
 

correcaminos

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So it make takes many years to ending the pandemic soon......:cry::cry::cry::cry: It also will takes years federal transportation ending mask mandate soon...:cry::cry::cry::cry: I wish current vaccination rates will go fast by next year or 2023-2026. How many years when the pandemic will ending soon? @October82 @GoofGoof @helenabear @disneygeek90 @Lilofan
I think workplaces and even insurance will be driving people to vaccinate enough. Globally in areas where medical care isn't the greatest it might take longer, but pressure to people at work or through insurance and more will be. I'm a bit surprised we got this bad again, but what rises will fall. Soon it will become more endemic in nature.
 

wdisney9000

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Not trying to convince anyone of anything. You might want to tone it down if you actually want real answers. Verbal attacks are not okay and you know that. Picking only parts of replies to further attack will not get you far with me. I will answer this question further:

Let me explain why I talk about it since you are making my discussing the trial some sort of negative thing. Me talking about the trial normalizes the vaccine. I, along with a few others on this thread who often discuss the trial too, are some of the first to take this shot. We are living proof of all these details people like to talk about with the trials. We are poked and prodded so we have stats for the world. We are also able to tell you how we've changed a year now later. (hint I'm just a year older, nothing else). Our bodies are being looked at to find the numbers the trials and the globe need. People seem to forget we exist and talk about how we don't have info, we dont' have "long term data" not realizing we have it because of people. I'm a year post 1st shot - we have tens of thousands in the Pfizer-BioNTech trial alone who are here to give transparency and data to the world. You think it's something totally off base. I use it to make it seem like vaccination for covid can be just as normal as chicken pox vaccine now. Our experiences are the ones used or ignored depending on who is talking. Real people took these vaccines, and the more we show this, the more people listen. How do I know? I live it. My family has used me as a talking point to prove they are safe. Guess what that did? Got more to vaccinate in some circles. So while you are thinking, I honestly have no real clue at all where your brain is, I am trying to normalize the vaccine. A year ago this very day I went and had my first shot. How about stop picking on me for being in a trial and ask honest questions. That's what we're here for.

You want answers? I've watched loved ones die even when trying to do everything they could in their power to save their own lives. Given that, I'd say anyone who actually dies after being vaccinated would feel the same. They did the best they could and wouldn't change it for the world.

Considering I know of very few people at all who had a side effect - in fact only one had an autoimmune trigger that did affect them longer term - again it's a hypothetical question harder to answer. I will say the person I know who now cannot take any further shots doesn't regret it. In fact they are incredibly vocal about others vaccinating. Trying to insist that their sibling be vaccinated too (so far no go, they "don't want to be a guinea pig") They know they are a super rarity and know the vaccine is the way out.

I cannot speak for people specifically otherwise. So there are your answers to your questions including the one I quoted in this reply. Take it however you will. I'm not here to win friends with people. I'm here to share facts and not fears.
You may find it hard to believe, but I truly commend you for taking part. Most people don't have the balls to risk their personal health and safety for others. God Bless you for that and you have my respect. I may not agree with the process, but it does not mean I harbor ill will towards you.
 

DisneyFan32

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In the Parks
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I think workplaces and even insurance will be driving people to vaccinate enough. Globally in areas where medical care isn't the greatest it might take longer, but pressure to people at work or through insurance and more will be. I'm a bit surprised we got this bad again, but what rises will fall. Soon it will become more endemic in nature.
@helenabear so the pandemic will ending soon by next year? As no more mask mandate by next year?
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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Don't forget, college football really kicks off this weekend.

I was thinking that when I saw his question… I’m watching the UNC vs VT game right now and it’s absolutely packed. 70,000 fans in the stands and hardly a mask in sight.

It’s so bizarre that parts of the country look like 2019 while others are still under restrictions.

Here in Vegas we are still at 100% occupancy but with masks required, not 2019 but infinitely better than 2020.
 

DCBaker

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Here is the weekly report from the Florida DOH.

The number of new deaths reported from the report last week to this report is 2,345.

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MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
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Pediatric hospitalizations for Covid-19 have soared over the summer as the highly contagious Delta variant spread across the country, according to two new studies from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

From late June to mid-August, hospitalization rates in the United States for children and teenagers increased nearly fivefold, although they remain slightly below January’s peak, one new study found.

But vaccination has made a difference. During this summer’s wave, the hospitalization rate was 10 times as high in unvaccinated adolescents as in those who were vaccinated, researchers found. Pediatric hospital admissions were nearly four times as high in states with the lowest vaccination rates as in those with the highest rates, according to a second study.

The studies, released on Friday, do not provide clear answers about whether Delta causes more severe disease in children than earlier versions of the virus. The rise in pediatric hospitalizations could also be due to the variant’s high infectiousness.

Indeed, one study concluded that the proportion of hospitalized children with severe disease had not changed in late June and July, when the Delta variant became dominant in the United States.

The rates reported in the C.D.C. studies are based on data from two national surveillance systems, including hospitals in 49 states and Washington, D.C.

In one C.D.C. study, researchers found that since July, when the Delta variant became predominant, the rate of new Covid cases increased for children 17 and younger, as did Covid-related emergency room visits and hospital admissions.

“We saw that E.R. visits, cases and hospital admissions are rising,” said Dr. David Siegel, lieutenant commander in the U.S. Public Health Service and the lead author of the paper. “It could be that Delta is more severe or that Delta is more transmissible, and it could be related to other factors such as masking.”

The study also found that Covid-related emergency room visits and hospital admissions among children were more than three times higher in states with the lowest vaccination coverage compared to states with high vaccination rates, underscoring the importance of communitywide vaccination to protect children. Other important factors that might affect regional differences included masking and social distancing measures, the study noted.

Last month, as Delta surged, the incidence of Covid in children rose from earlier in the summer — reaching 16.2 cases per 100,000 children ages 4 and under; 28.5 cases per 100,000 children ages 5 to 11; and 32.7 cases per 100,000 children ages 12 through 17.

That rate represented a sharp spike from a June low of 1.7 per 100,000 children ages 4 and under; 1.9 cases per 100,000 children ages 5 to 11; and 2.9 per 100,000 children between ages 12 and 17. It was still below the peak incidence of cases among children last January.

The proportion of Covid patients under 17 who were admitted to intensive care units ranged from 10 to 25 percent from August 2020 through last June, and hovered at 20 percent by July 2021, according to the C.D.C. study.

In a second study, researchers analyzed data from the Covid-Net surveillance network, which includes information on hospitalizations in 99 counties across 14 states.

Over the course of the pandemic — or from March 1, 2020, to Aug. 14, 2021 — there were 49.7 Covid-related hospitalizations per 100,000 children and adolescents, the researchers found.

But the weekly rates have been climbing since July. During the week ending Aug. 14, there were 1.4 Covid-related hospitalizations for every 100,000 children, compared to 0.3 in late June and early July. (That remains slightly below the peak weekly rate of 1.5 hospitalizations per 100,000 children, in early January 2021, in the post-holiday wave of cases.)

Hospitalization rates have increased most sharply for children who are 4 or younger. In the week ending Aug. 14, there were 1.9 hospitalizations per 100,000 children in that age group, nearly 10 times as many as in late June.

But based on the limited data available so far, it does not appear that the Delta variant is affecting the incidence of severe disease or deaths among children, which have been somewhat steady and relatively low throughout the pandemic.

Among the children and adolescents hospitalized from June 20 to July 31, 23.2 percent were admitted to the I.C.U., 9.8 percent required mechanical ventilation and 1.8 percent died. Those figures were roughly the same as those for children who were hospitalized before the Delta variant became widespread.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
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Top federal health officials have told the White House to scale back a plan to offer coronavirus booster shots to the general public later this month, saying that regulators need more time to collect and review all the necessary data, according to people familiar with the discussion.

Dr. Janet Woodcock, the acting commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, and Dr. Rochelle P. Walensky, who heads the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, warned the White House on Thursday that their agencies may be able to determine in the coming weeks whether to recommend boosters only for recipients of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine — and possibly just some of them to start.

The two health leaders made their argument in a meeting with Jeffrey D. Zients, the White House pandemic coordinator. Several people who heard about the session said it was unclear how Mr. Zients responded. But he has insisted for months that the White House will always follow the advice of government scientists, wherever it leads.

Asked about the meeting, a White House spokesman on Friday said, “We always said we would follow the science, and this is all part of a process that is now underway,” adding that the administration was awaiting a “full review and approval” of booster shots by the F.D.A. as well as a recommendation from the C.D.C.

“When that approval and recommendation are made,” the spokesman, Chris Meagher, said, “we will be ready to implement the plan our nation’s top doctors developed so that we are staying ahead of this virus.”

Less than three weeks ago, Mr. Biden said that, contingent on F.D.A. approval, the government planned to start offering boosters the week of Sept. 20 to adults who had received their second shot of the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccine at least eight months ago. That would include many health care workers and nursing home residents, as well as some people older than 65, who were generally the first to be vaccinated. Administration officials have said that recipients of the single-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine would probably be offered an additional shot soon as well.
 

MisterPenguin

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Since the beginning of the pandemic, doctors have found that people who become very ill with Covid-19 often experience kidney problems, not just the lung impairments that are the hallmark of the illness.

Now, a large study suggests that kidney issues can last for months after patients recover from the initial infection, and may lead to a serious lifelong reduction of kidney function in some patients.

The study, published Wednesday in the Journal of the American Society of Nephrology, found that the sicker Covid patients were initially, the more likely they were to experience lingering kidney damage. But even people with less severe initial infections could be vulnerable.

“You see really, across the board, a higher risk of a bunch of important kidney-associated events,” said Dr. F. Perry Wilson, a nephrologist and associate professor of medicine at Yale, who was not involved in the study. “And what was particularly striking to me was that these persisted.”

Kidneys play a vital role in the body, clearing toxins and excess fluid from the blood, helping maintain a healthy blood pressure, and keeping a balance of electrolytes and other important substances. When the kidneys are not working properly or efficiently, fluids build up, leading to swelling, high blood pressure, weakened bones and other problems. The heart, lungs, central nervous system and immune system can become impaired. In end-stage kidney disease, dialysis or an organ transplant may become necessary. The condition can be fatal.

The new study, based on records of patients in the Department of Veterans Affairs health system, analyzed data from 89,216 people who tested positive for the coronavirus between March 1, 2020, and March 15, 2021, as well as data from 1,637,467 people who were not Covid patients.

Between one and six months after becoming infected, Covid survivors were about 35 percent more likely than non-Covid patients to have kidney damage or substantial declines in kidney function, said Dr. Ziyad Al-Aly, chief of the research and development service at the V.A. St. Louis Health Care System and senior author of the study.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
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Seems that cases and hospitalization have indeed 'peaked.' But they're still incredibly high, and may not fall to previous lows.

Death rate still lagging behind. Who knows where it will peak? Last high was 185 deaths per day (7 day average). It's now 325.

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MisterPenguin

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willtravel

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Top federal health officials have told the White House to scale back a plan to offer coronavirus booster shots to the general public later this month, saying that regulators need more time to collect and review all the necessary data, according to people familiar with the discussion.

Dr. Janet Woodcock, the acting commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, and Dr. Rochelle P. Walensky, who heads the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, warned the White House on Thursday that their agencies may be able to determine in the coming weeks whether to recommend boosters only for recipients of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine — and possibly just some of them to start.

The two health leaders made their argument in a meeting with Jeffrey D. Zients, the White House pandemic coordinator. Several people who heard about the session said it was unclear how Mr. Zients responded. But he has insisted for months that the White House will always follow the advice of government scientists, wherever it leads.

Asked about the meeting, a White House spokesman on Friday said, “We always said we would follow the science, and this is all part of a process that is now underway,” adding that the administration was awaiting a “full review and approval” of booster shots by the F.D.A. as well as a recommendation from the C.D.C.

“When that approval and recommendation are made,” the spokesman, Chris Meagher, said, “we will be ready to implement the plan our nation’s top doctors developed so that we are staying ahead of this virus.”

Less than three weeks ago, Mr. Biden said that, contingent on F.D.A. approval, the government planned to start offering boosters the week of Sept. 20 to adults who had received their second shot of the Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna vaccine at least eight months ago. That would include many health care workers and nursing home residents, as well as some people older than 65, who were generally the first to be vaccinated. Administration officials have said that recipients of the single-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine would probably be offered an additional shot soon as well.
"to determine in the coming weeks whether to recommend boosters only for recipients of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine — and possibly just some of them to start."

So then Moderna is not a problem right now?
 

ArmoredRodent

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Moderna is not a problem; their data is still very good. Two days ago, the company applied to the FDA for approval for a booster shot at 50% of the original dose, to be administered six months after the last original jab. NPR reported the company said: "Antibodies had waned six months after vaccination, the company said, but the third shot boosted antibodies to an even higher point than was seen after the initial shots, even though the booster was just half the original dose."
 

JoeCamel

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Moderna is not a problem; their data is still very good. Two days ago, the company applied to the FDA for approval for a booster shot at 50% of the original dose, to be administered six months after the last original jab. NPR reported the company said: "Antibodies had waned six months after vaccination, the company said, but the third shot boosted antibodies to an even higher point than was seen after the initial shots, even though the booster was just half the original dose."
so 50% is the same as the Pfizer regular?
 
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