Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Mr. Moderate]

Please just stop. Those who have played by the rules during this global health emergency are understandably furious at those who refuse to do their part.

Let’s talk about loss of freedom. My children have stayed home and studied virtually for a year and a half, sacrificing their own freedom— to keep their parents, grandparents, and community safe. To do what they could to help all of us get out of this.

They sacrificed a great deal of their own freedom. Because they knew it was the right thing to do.

Each and every member of our family got vaccinated as soon as we were able to do so. And like so many others, we stayed home, gave up social gatherings and vacations and job opportunities and more. A week from now, my children go back to school. And our leaders have chosen to sacrifice children’s safety by thumbing their noses at the CDC’s mask guidelines in a cynical, disingenuous and callously calculated manner. I think that would make any parent furious. After all this, we feel like the world around us is still stuck in the unnecessary quagmire this crisis has become.

So yes, there’s some anger to be had. We’ve put up with those who seek to profit personally and/or financially by spreading destructive and deadly disinformation. We’ve tried to be patient as we’ve endured a virtual epidemic of stupidity and toddler-grade temper tantrums over vaccines, mask wearing, and so much more for quite some time now.

Anyone able but refusing to get vaccinated or abide by public health rules at this point can certainly continue to defy common sense and stand up for their “freedoms” if they so choose. But for irresponsible people not to expect pushback from those who have actually been doing something positive to get us out of this mess, often by sacrificing their own freedom in the process, is a bridge too far. I’m sorry that some feel folks are being mean. But lot of people have had enough of trying to do the right thing while others willfully try to hold everyone back.

So, yes, there’s a lot of anger aimed right now at folks who are able but refusing to be vaccinated. But as others have said, freedom of choice does not mean freedom from consequences.

I have to say this is one of the best posts I've seen written on this thread and is why I choose to participate here. Well said and thank you for putting it so eloquently and respectfully to the point. Thank you.

 

[DisneyCane]

I’m one of those 40% I’m not particularly worried about long term effects on me but I am worried about:

-Having to call in sick for 2 weeks
-Potentially spreading it to my unvaccinated (ineligible, kids) family members
-And of course I’m worried (but much less so) about a vaccine escape varient.

So am I wrong?

In my opinion, yes. You are at an incredibly small risk for any of those things happening even with the current high level of spread in FL.

I am also one of the 40%! Given my immunosupression, I have additional worries, despite being "fully vaxx'd."

Your situation is different. In your case, fully vaccinated means something very different. You are free to worry and should take extra precautions until community transmission is very low.

 

[Chi84]

So, how do the pro-vaccine folks here feel about the Delta strain not giving a rip about the vaccine and the Lambda strain whooping its tail in lab tests? Are you pre-registered for your new vaccines?

I don’t understand your question. The vaccines are highly effective against Delta. Of course, there is a good argument that Delta wouldn’t have gotten a strong foothold if everyone had been vaccinated at the earliest opportunity.

 

[techgeek]

So, how do the pro-vaccine folks here feel about the Delta strain not giving a rip about the vaccine and the Lambda strain whooping its tail in lab tests? Are you pre-registered for your new vaccines?

As a vaccinated household currently experiencing symptoms from a (presumed) Delta infection, I’m very glad to have had the vaccine.

I took great comfort in the fact there was very low risk of me being hospitalized. Given my relatively ‘moderate’ symptoms, I don’t want to experience the ‘full’ version.

 

[LaughingGravy]

So, how do the pro-vaccine folks here feel about the Delta strain not giving a rip about the vaccine and the Lambda strain whooping its tail in lab tests? Are you pre-registered for your new vaccines?

Sure, why not when available?
This thing about staying alive and seriously reducing the possibility of long term effects like death appeals to me.

 

[draybook]

I don’t understand your question. The vaccines are highly effective against Delta. Of course, there is a good argument that Delta wouldn’t have gotten a strong foothold if everyone had been vaccinated at the earliest opportunity.

People are still getting the Delta version after being fully vaccinated and the Lambda strain is resiting the vaccine. I'm not fully "anti-vaccine", I'm just not interested in testing something that's not completely approved by the FDA yet, especially when people are still contracting it while being fully vaccinated. I'll get it if/when I have to, but not until then.

 

[draybook]

Sure, why not when available?
This thing about staying alive and seriously reducing the possibility of long term effects like death appeals to me.

I'm alive and have no lasting effects from my covid time back in December. I realize my experience isn't others, but that works in reverse as well.

 

[GoofGoof]

People are still getting the Delta version after being fully vaccinated and the Lambda strain is resiting the vaccine. I'm not fully "anti-vaccine", I'm just not interested in testing something that's not completely approved by the FDA yet, especially when people are still contracting it while being fully vaccinated. I'll get it if/when I have to, but not until then.

So you will get the vaccine when it’s FDA approved or only if you are required?

 

[Andrew C]

People are still getting the Delta version after being fully vaccinated and the Lambda strain is resiting the vaccine. I'm not fully "anti-vaccine", I'm just not interested in testing something that's not completely approved by the FDA yet, especially when people are still contracting it while being fully vaccinated. I'll get it if/when I have to, but not until then.

You thought there would be 0 breakthrough cases?

 

[draybook]

So you will get the vaccine when it’s FDA approved or only if you are required?

That is correct.

I should state that I am not knocking anyone who gets it. I'm not interested in being a guinea pig but I would get it if my family's financial well-being called for it.

 

[draybook]

You thought there would be 0 breakthrough cases?

Nope, nothing is perfect.

 

[DisneyFan32]

People are still getting the Delta version after being fully vaccinated and the Lambda strain is resiting the vaccine.

WHAT!!!!!! You're saying Lambda stain is resiting the vaccine. That's going to be sucked.

 

[MrMcDuck]

There are a fair number of breakthrough Delta cases. (Despite returning to masking even before the CDC update, I am one of those right now unfortunately.)

There are not a lot of serious breakthrough cases and almost none in the ICU or worse.

Get the vaccine.

 

[LaughingGravy]

People are still getting the Delta version after being fully vaccinated and the Lambda strain is resiting the vaccine. I'm not fully "anti-vaccine", I'm just not interested in testing something that's not completely approved by the FDA yet, especially when people are still contracting it while being fully vaccinated. I'll get it if/when I have to, but not until then.

Some people are getting the Delta, but the beyond vast majority of those folks who are vaccinated are not getting seriously sick.
It's an odds game and I guess some are still feeling luckier than others.
I choose to go out and do things after being locked away and plan on doing everything in my power to minimize the real and very present threat of a difficult bout of illness and side effects or worse in addition to providing what I can in the way of minimizing the threat of the same to others.

 

[Andrew C]

Nope, nothing is perfect.

Ok. So when you do get the virus eventually, because at this point it’s more and more likely for you being unvaccinated, how many people do you think you will unknowingly infect? And how many of those do you think will end up in the hospital? And how many of those will die? And how many of those will be your loved ones?

Bottom line. It’s your choice but your excuses are lame. Get the shot and stop pretending you’re saving yourself from something horrible by not.

 

[G00fyDad]

People are still getting the Delta version after being fully vaccinated and the Lambda strain is resiting the vaccine. I'm not fully "anti-vaccine", I'm just not interested in testing something that's not completely approved by the FDA yet, especially when people are still contracting it while being fully vaccinated. I'll get it if/when I have to, but not until then.

That sounds like a concrete statement but it is not accurate. The Lambda strain may be resistant to the vaccine but the CDC recommends getting the vaccine anyway. Having the vaccine can make the symptoms easier if you even do get the virus afterward.

MSN

 

[Chi84]

People are still getting the Delta version after being fully vaccinated and the Lambda strain is resiting the vaccine. I'm not fully "anti-vaccine", I'm just not interested in testing something that's not completely approved by the FDA yet, especially when people are still contracting it while being fully vaccinated. I'll get it if/when I have to, but not until then.

Delta is ripping through communities, spread mostly by the unvaccinated (according to the CDC and other health agencies), and of the people hospitalized 97% were unvaccinated. You don't think there's sufficient benefit to a vaccine that prevents severe illness and death and results in only mild symptoms?

 

[GoofGoof]

That is correct.

I should state that I am not knocking anyone who gets it. I'm not interested in being a guinea pig but I would get it if my family's financial well-being called for it.

If it has full FDA approval would you still be a guinea pig? When is long enough to say it’s safe to take? I assume since you said you aren’t anti-vaxx that you and your kids get other vaccines so how long before this vaccine is deemed safe to take?

 

[RobbinsDad]

People are still getting the Delta version after being fully vaccinated and the Lambda strain is resiting the vaccine. I'm not fully "anti-vaccine", I'm just not interested in testing something that's not completely approved by the FDA yet, especially when people are still contracting it while being fully vaccinated. I'll get it if/when I have to, but not until then.

‘I should have gotten the damn vaccine’: Father of 5 dies of COVID at age 39

Just two weeks ago, his fiancee said life was great. She was on vacation in San Diego with Michael Freedy, known as "Big Mike" at the resort where he worked.

www.nbc12.com

 

[RobbinsDad]

There are a fair number of breakthrough Delta cases. (Despite returning to masking even before the CDC update, I am one of those right now unfortunately.)

There are not a lot of serious breakthrough cases and almost none in the ICU or worse.

Get the vaccine.

Feel better soon.