Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[ImperfectPixie]

Exactly. I'm sure they have the original FP+ code saved as a backup. But if you just "restored it" - then it would overwrite the parkpass code.

So you'd have to go back to scratch to work to make the codes work in harmony. You'd have to go back to re-programming Mobile Magic, DME, etc..

I thought it was very telling that they entirely removed the FP system from the DME App. While keeping a section for multiple VQs. As if they were saving space for expansion of VQs... but not saving the space for FP+

I do some website coding...and haven't forgotten my early days of modifying code, wanting to go back to what it originally was, and feeling like a moron for forgetting to save a copy of the original somewhere, lol.

It would be immensely stupid, on the day they started transitioning from FP+ to Park Pass that they didn't make a server backup. I'm going to have to DH if at his small companies if they got rid of a code module they got rid of all copies, entirely. Because that doesn't sound right to me. Server space is so cheap, there would be no reason for a company like Disney not to save something in a code attic somewhere. Needing to rename a bunch of stuff, in the code so no variable conflicts, that I could see. But that isn't recreating code, and couple months, sure, but not "starting from scratch."

I don't doubt that they saved a copy, and I only used "starting from scratch" for the sake of simplicity. Because even if they take the two versions of code and use them as starting points, getting them to work together isn't as easy as flicking a switch.

 

[lazyboy97o]

The federal government has jurisdiction over the customs portion of the port for sure. Similar to TSA at the airport. The question for the courts to decide is whether the cruise lines are considered “doing business in FL” when they are docked at port. A cruise ship and the passengers are required to follow all state and federal laws while in port. The example I’ve seen is when a state banned smoking in indoor public spaces that applied to airports too even though TSA is federally run. The ports like an airport are a joint venture and share federal and state jurisdiction. I think a court could easily side with the cruise lines but it will take time if the gov decides to fight it in court.

Yes, but part of that has to do with what is being regulated. The airport building exists within the local jurisdiction and smoking within that building has nothing to do the federally regulated aspects of air travel. If a state passed a law that allowed smoking anywhere and prohibited business bans you couldn’t light up in a plane while it was on the ground because that is the FAA’s jurisdiction.

If vaccines are required by any of the cruise destinations that would be like the governor trying to prevent airlines from checking passports and visas before allowing you to board. And with the European Union saying they will allow vaccinated Americans to visit he is trying to do something similar.

 

[ToTBellHop]

I think you need to scale down gradually. We are coming to the end of the need for mass vaccinations sites in most places, so now we should scale down to more smaller site, but not so distributed that each site is only getting a couple people a day. Once those sites start running out of people to be vaccinated then scale down again.

Yes, and resources from mass vaccination sites can be funneled toward mobile clinics that bring vaccine to people. Rural areas are trickier. Churches are probably the best option, I guess.

 

[havoc315]

I do some website coding...and haven't forgotten my early days of modifying code, wanting to go back to what it originally was, and feeling like a moron for forgetting to save a copy of the original somewhere, lol.


I don't doubt that they saved a copy, and I only used "starting from scratch" for the sake of simplicity. Because even if they take the two versions of code and use them as starting points, getting them to work together isn't as easy as flicking a switch.

Exactly. They have been quite clear that they are keeping the park pass system. So they can't turn off park pass and just restore fastpass. Getting them to work together is not just a couple days of coding by an IT worker.
Now, if WDW LOVED the fastpass system, then I'm sure they would be hard at work to bring it back. But it's an open secret that the FP+ initiative was a failure.

 

[mmascari]

I would still think the vast majority of hotel guests would book a park pass reservation in advance just in case. It is easy enough to change and coats nothing.

Even more important is the risk if a hotel guest doesn't make park pass. How upset would you be if you spend all the time and money to go and then the park fills up because you don't have a pass. For an off site guest, perhaps a Universal day. An onsite guest could do that too, but it'll be an angry park day at best. Plus, you probably already bought the ticket and now have a day you'll never use.

There are other people who hated the mandatory pre-planning and missed the spontaneity of waking up in the morning and picking which park to go to that day. We read that here all the time. Those people will only pre-plan if forced to, so Disney is going to lose their data.

So some people are going to pre-plan in either scenario. Others are going to stop planning. I can't imagine there's a type of guest who *didn't* pre-plan their FastPasses but *will* pre-plan a park pass. So I see it as a net data loss.

A hotel guest that doesn't want to have a day with no parks available. Obviously, capacity increases will eliminate this issue eventually. But, you're running a huge risk as a "not local" if you don't make a park pass now. I know I hated making FP+ reservations, even as an onsite hotel guests. Much prefer picking tomorrow's park the day before based on weather and what we feel like instead of months ahead of time. Based on the current plans, I have park passes for over a year from now. Because, I'm sure the weather will be right for an AK day instead of a MK day on that specific date.

Until Rise no longer requires boarding groups DHS will be the first park to sell out park passes. You can’t hop and experience Rise.

If the hopping changes, that may happen. Right now, with the 2:00 hopping, it's a difficult decision. If you reserve DHS for every day of a trip, you cannot hop until 2:00. Who really needs 6 days in a row of DHS? Especially if you don't' get the Rise boarding group. We did over reserve DHS for a year from now, in case we don't get the boarding group on the first day. But, it'll be a huge pain.

From FP+ to boarding groups to Park Passes, to dining reservations. I'm definitely in the camp that there's to much preplanning baked into most trips and not enough room changing plans on the fly.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Woud you want to work for $15/hr or $3/hr + tips compared to 16$/hr and a couch?

Yes, if my job was rewarding and I felt like I was making a contribution and not just being a cog in the wheel.

It’s such a weird attitude to assume that the majority of people only work so they can afford to have food to eat.

 

[havoc315]

US cruises could restart soon with 'passenger voyages by mid-July,' CDC says

Cruising could restart in mid-summer in American waters, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said in a letter to the cruise industry.

www.usatoday.com

Appears CDC will allow cruises if 95% of guests are vaccinated -- In other words, the only way they could get to 95%, is if they require vaccination among all eligible guests. THey may need to limit the number of unvaccinated kids on board.

This would preempt Florida anti-vaccine checking law.
CDC says cruise ships must require vaccination in order to sail... Florida says you're not allowed to question vaccine status. CDC wins the conflict.

 

[danlb_2000]

Yes, and resources from mass vaccination sites can be funneled toward mobile clinics that bring vaccine to people. Rural areas are trickier. Churches are probably the best option, I guess.

I had to look up the numbers, but one of the challenges is that the Pfizer (and I assume it's similar with Moderna) vaccine is shipped in 4,875 dose packages which if stored properly are only good for 30 days. I am wondering if they have started to look at shipping in smaller lot sizes for smaller sites.

 

[JoeCamel]

Yes, if my job was rewarding and I felt like I was making a contribution and not just being a cog in the wheel.

It’s such a weird attitude to assume that the majority of people only work so they can afford to have food to eat.

If the owners paid enough they could find people to work. Would they stay in business? Has to be a global level up to work and we all love paying more for a meal while we dine out don't we?

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I had to look up the numbers, but one of the challenges is that the Pfizer (and I assume it's similar with Moderna) vaccine is shipped in 4,875 dose packages which if stored properly are only good for 30 days. I am wondering if they have started to look at shipping in smaller lot sizes for smaller sites.

They've already been sending smaller batches to smaller sites here. I've heard as low as 300 doses for some locations. If appointment availability was any indicator, the drive-through location where we got our first Pfizer dose had in the neighborhood of 1310 appointments available for the week when I made ours (which was immediately after I got notification that some had opened up), so if I had to guess, I'd say they get 1400-1500 per week.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

If the owners paid enough they could find people to work. Would they stay in business? Has to be a global level up to work and we all love paying more for a meal while we dine out don't we?

Don't employers have to limit how many people are working at any given time though, given the distancing requirements? Granted, things are shifting from 6' to 3', but even that limits in a lot of cases.

 

[007mickey]

Yes, if my job was rewarding and I felt like I was making a contribution and not just being a cog in the wheel.

It’s such a weird attitude to assume that the majority of people only work so they can afford to have food to eat.

That's the problem, too many think it's not rewarding and they aren't making a contribution. Thus the assumption people would rather collect "free" money than work for it, it's a national problem.

 

[jmp85]

‘The struggle is real:’ Orlando restaurant owner can’t find workers​

‘The struggle is real:’ Orlando restaurant owner can’t find workers

A restaurant owner in Orlando said that their business is having a hard time finding staff.

www.clickorlando.com

Central Florida Restaurants Struggling to Fill Open Positions

Central Florida Restaurants Struggling to Fill Open Positions

Restaurant owners say they're experiencing a labor shortage.

www.mynews13.com

Business is picking up for many hospitality industry businesses, but business owners are having a tough time hiring.
One restaurant worker we spoke with tells us laid-off employees aren't coming back because they are making more in unemployment.

Many Central Florida restaurants can't find workers to hire

Since they're understaffed, employees are overworked

www.mynews13.com

We've had a few restaurants here locally either close outright or only open during dinner because they can't find workers. The McDonalds in my home town had to close for an entire day due to short staffing. It's definitely an issue.

 

[havoc315]

If the owners paid enough they could find people to work. Would they stay in business? Has to be a global level up to work and we all love paying more for a meal while we dine out don't we?

So, would you pay $10 for a McDonald's Burger, $6 for the fries, and $3 for the soda.... making your "Extra Value Meal" $15-$20?

Of course, we all want all workers to be paid more. As long as we don't have to be paying the price. As long as it's just coming out of Jeff Bezo's savings account, we want the workers to be paid more. But when it actually translates to higher costs for consumers......

 

[ImperfectPixie]

So, would you pay $10 for a McDonald's Burger, $6 for the fries, and $3 for the soda.... making your "Extra Value Meal" $15-$20?

Of course, we all want all workers to be paid more. As long as we don't have to be paying the price. As long as it's just coming out of Jeff Bezo's savings account, we want the workers to be paid more. But when it actually translates to higher costs for consumers......

The problem is stock-holders and the attitude that you can't have profit AND treat and pay employees well. It's a complete fallacy.

 

[jmp85]

Yes, if my job was rewarding and I felt like I was making a contribution and not just being a cog in the wheel.

It’s such a weird attitude to assume that the majority of people only work so they can afford to have food to eat.

Weird attitude? Paying the bills is exactly why people work, especially those in the service industry. These people who are refusing to work aren't going to create new, "rewarding" opportunities for themselves by sitting on the couch for a few more months.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

So, would you pay $10 for a McDonald's Burger, $6 for the fries, and $3 for the soda.... making your "Extra Value Meal" $15-$20?

Of course, we all want all workers to be paid more. As long as we don't have to be paying the price. As long as it's just coming out of Jeff Bezo's savings account, we want the workers to be paid more. But when it actually translates to higher costs for consumers......

In-n-out charges $6.70 for a double-double, fries, and drink. They pay very well and make huge profits.

Surprisingly enough... it works.

 

[jmp85]

The problem is stock-holders and the attitude that you can't have profit AND treat and pay employees well. It's a complete fallacy.

Ah yes, have the owners foot the bill, not the customers. Hey, as long as someone else pays for it.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Paying the bills is exactly why people work, especially those in the service industry.

That’s exactly the attitude I was talking about.

That’s just a few steps away from slavery. “You want to eat you better make my burger for me and smile while you do it!”

 

[havoc315]

The problem is stock-holders and the attitude that you can't have profit AND treat and pay employees well. It's a complete fallacy.

Certainly, the drive to please stockholders contributes, but it's beyond that.

Consumer behavior is a more powerful driver. Most consumers will go buy a product where ever they get it cheapest.
If the environmentally friendly store that pays their employees $20 per hour charges $20 for a carton of milk, and the chain supermarket charges $4 for the carton of milk -- the vast majority of consumers will go buy the $4 milk.

Plenty of corporations actually treat their employees perfectly fine. Starbucks, Home Depot.... a couple examples of places that have stellar reputations.

And remember, in a thriving economy, you will have increased labor demand. Increased labor demand means employers MUST treat employees well to attract them in the first place and to retain them.