Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[ToTBellHop]

The issue is that vaccination requirements do not affect only what happens in port. I'm absolutely shocked there hasn't been more analysis of this. What happens if there is an emergency at sea and people need to be let off in a location that requires vaccination to enter? Florida laws can control what happens in Florida, but the governor is trying to extend his reach past that.

Exactly. There would come a point where they refuse to let you sail.

Requiring all passengers to upload an image of the vaccine card to the website in advance is the easiest way around this. People who miss this rule, unfortunately, would be turned away.

Or told to use a VPN to run outside and upload an image to a website run out of Arlington, VA.

 

[havoc315]

There are many reasons FP (in its previous form) may not return. However the park pass system is not an obstacle that prevents FP+ from functioning.

Yes, yes it is. If you take a building that houses one show, and put a new show into the building. And you want to keep the new show. It's not that easy to bring back the old show... you would need to construct a new building for it.

Park pass code was not "new" -- It is an adaption of the FP+ code. You'd need to go back to the drawing board if you wanted the code to accommodate park pass AND fastpass.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Appointments are still filling here so it would be a cluster with people just showing up

Any state is in a position to allow some locations to allow walk-ups. That’s the plan for the federal government’s pharmacy program. The rest is up to the state.

Here in CT, we have a high rate of vaccination, yet a mix of pharmacies and state-run facilities allow walk-ups. It is 100% for people who are less excited for the vaccine. And the declining rate of vaccination nationwide shows that we have the capacity necessary.

 

[havoc315]

You think they'd get rid of indoor and outdoor masks at the same time? Anything is possible obviously. It's interesting to hear different thoughts on all of this. I didn't know they were on the record as liking the park pass system either. I wonder when the temp checks are going to be lifted. I've seen no mention of it.

I think the plan is a phased approach -- Outdoor and then indoor.

But things are changing rapidly. So rapidly, that they might both go away at the same time, or at least very close in time. It's just a possibility. It's also possible that indoor masks stick around for months after outdoor are over.

 

[danlb_2000]

Even the ultra-cold vaccines can be stored at temperatures any pharmacy could manage for a few days, now, so it’s less of an issue. Pfizer can go in a refrigerator for up to 5 days now.

The problem is that once you have broken the seal on the vial, Pfizer and Moderna are only good for 6 hours. So if you have two people come at 8:00 AM and then two more at 5:00 PM, then you are wasting 8 doses (based on 6 doses per vial).

 

[peter11435]

Yes, yes it is. If you take a building that houses one show, and put a new show into the building. And you want to keep the new show. It's not that easy to bring back the old show... you would need to construct a new building for it.

Park pass code was not "new" -- It is an adaption of the FP+ code. You'd need to go back to the drawing board if you wanted the code to accommodate park pass AND fastpass.

Not exactly. Both could exist simultaneously.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

They could. I believe what @havoc315 is saying is that they modified the FP+ code to make it work for Park Pass, and it will no longer function for FP+. So, unless they copied and pasted it somewhere, that original code is gone.

ETA: So basically, if they want to make the system work for both FP+ and Park Passes simultaneously, they'd have to start from scratch anyways to ensure that they work together as desired.

 

[danlb_2000]

I think the plan is a phased approach -- Outdoor and then indoor.

But things are changing rapidly. So rapidly, that they might both go away at the same time, or at least very close in time. It's just a possibility. It's also possible that indoor masks stick around for months after outdoor are over.

If they get rid of outdoor first, I think it will need to wait until they are comfortable with less then ideal (even less then what is done now) inside masking. Having two masking rules within the park will make overall compliance harder.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

If they get rid of outdoor first, I think it will need to wait until they are comfortable with less then ideal (even less then what is done now) inside masking. Having two masking rules within the park will make overall compliance harder.

I agree. Simpler mask rules = better compliance.

 

[Figgy1]

Any state is in a position to allow some locations to allow walk-ups. That’s the plan for the federal government’s pharmacy program. The rest is up to the state.

Here in CT, we have a high rate of vaccination, yet a mix of pharmacies and state-run facilities allow walk-ups. It is 100% for people who are less excited for the vaccine. And the declining rate of vaccination nationwide shows that we have the capacity necessary.

Some but not all. I'm only checking about 20 or 30 minutes out for people who have asked me to check. As I've said before we need expanded night and weekend hours!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[havoc315]

Last I checked the unemployment level in FL is still pretty high so I don’t think there’s an issue with finding workers. Offering a signing bonus is a way to poach some workers from competitors. If there is a major issue finding workers that stuff will attract people in from other parts of the country too. Thousands of restaurants closed and will never reopen. We have no shortage of restaurant workers in the US.

‘The struggle is real:’ Orlando restaurant owner can’t find workers​

‘The struggle is real:’ Orlando restaurant owner can’t find workers

A restaurant owner in Orlando said that their business is having a hard time finding staff.

www.clickorlando.com

Central Florida Restaurants Struggling to Fill Open Positions

Central Florida Restaurants Struggling to Fill Open Positions

Restaurant owners say they're experiencing a labor shortage.

www.mynews13.com

Business is picking up for many hospitality industry businesses, but business owners are having a tough time hiring.
One restaurant worker we spoke with tells us laid-off employees aren't coming back because they are making more in unemployment.

Many Central Florida restaurants can't find workers to hire

Since they're understaffed, employees are overworked

www.mynews13.com

 

[ToTBellHop]

The problem is that once you have broken the seal on the vial, Pfizer and Moderna are only good for 6 hours. So if you have two people come at 8:00 AM and then two more at 5:00 PM, then you are wasting 8 doses (based on 6 doses per vial).

That would be uncommon, in practice. We won’t keep sending vaccine to places unable to administer a ton of doses. If allowing walk-ups allows another 10-15% of us to get vaccinated (the groups that aren’t interested in the onerous booking system), it’s worthwhile. Even if a couple doses get thrown out at the end of the day. We have enough vaccine for every American by early July. And excess beyond that. We are moving into the phase we we need to fight for each additional arm. Some dose will be wasted. What is the alternative? Send the doses we paid for to other countries and accept that our ceiling is about 60% vaccinated?

I hope not.

 

[havoc315]

Not exactly. Both could exist simultaneously.

Of course theoretically..... you'd have to re-build the FP+ code, debug it so it doesn't conflict with the parkpass code.

But right now, to simplify -- If Disney IT clicks on "launch FP+ system" -- The park pass system gets launched.

 

[ToTBellHop]

I agree. Simpler mask rules = better compliance.

Pretty soon, the rules nationwide will be “masks inside but not outside.”

People will get used to it like they got used to masks, in general, a year ago.

 

[havoc315]

They could. I believe what @havoc315 is saying is that they modified the FP+ code to make it work for Park Pass, and it will no longer function for FP+. So, unless they copied and pasted it somewhere, that original code is gone.

ETA: So basically, if they want to make the system work for both FP+ and Park Passes simultaneously, they'd have to start from scratch anyways to ensure that they work together as desired.

Exactly. I'm sure they have the original FP+ code saved as a backup. But if you just "restored it" - then it would overwrite the parkpass code.

So you'd have to go back to scratch to work to make the codes work in harmony. You'd have to go back to re-programming Mobile Magic, DME, etc..

I thought it was very telling that they entirely removed the FP system from the DME App. While keeping a section for multiple VQs. As if they were saving space for expansion of VQs... but not saving the space for FP+

 

[havoc315]

If they get rid of outdoor first, I think it will need to wait until they are comfortable with less then ideal (even less then what is done now) inside masking. Having two masking rules within the park will make overall compliance harder.

I don't think it would be very hard. Cast members are already stationed at ride entries. So as you enter a ride building, a reminder, "please put on your mask now."

 

[hopemax]

They could. I believe what @havoc315 is saying is that they modified the FP+ code to make it work for Park Pass, and it will no longer function for FP+. So, unless they copied and pasted it somewhere, that original code is gone.

ETA: So basically, if they want to make the system work for both FP+ and Park Passes simultaneously, they'd have to start from scratch anyways to ensure that they work together as desired.

It would be immensely stupid, on the day they started transitioning from FP+ to Park Pass that they didn't make a server backup. I'm going to have to DH if at his small companies if they got rid of a code module they got rid of all copies, entirely. Because that doesn't sound right to me. Server space is so cheap, there would be no reason for a company like Disney not to save something in a code attic somewhere. Needing to rename a bunch of stuff, in the code so no variable conflicts, that I could see. But that isn't recreating code, and couple months, sure, but not "starting from scratch."

 

[Nubs70]

Last I checked the unemployment level in FL is still pretty high so I don’t think there’s an issue with finding workers. Offering a signing bonus is a way to poach some workers from competitors. If there is a major issue finding workers that stuff will attract people in from other parts of the country too. Thousands of restaurants closed and will never reopen. We have no shortage of restaurant workers in the US.

The combination of extended state unemployment payments, federal unemployment, mortgage/rent forbearance created a situation where people are being paid 16$/hr to not work while not having to pay housing costs. Woud you want to work for $15/hr or $3/hr + tips compared to 16$/hr and a couch?

 

[Bob Harlem]

‘The struggle is real:’ Orlando restaurant owner can’t find workers​

‘The struggle is real:’ Orlando restaurant owner can’t find workers

A restaurant owner in Orlando said that their business is having a hard time finding staff.

www.clickorlando.com

Central Florida Restaurants Struggling to Fill Open Positions

Central Florida Restaurants Struggling to Fill Open Positions

Restaurant owners say they're experiencing a labor shortage.

www.mynews13.com

Business is picking up for many hospitality industry businesses, but business owners are having a tough time hiring.
One restaurant worker we spoke with tells us laid-off employees aren't coming back because they are making more in unemployment.

Many Central Florida restaurants can't find workers to hire

Since they're understaffed, employees are overworked

www.mynews13.com

The Wendy's near Universal normally closes at 2AM, they've been opening later in the morning and closing around 10PM because of the shortages. A LOT of restaurants (And other businesses) that historically have remained open late are now closing much earlier because of it. The economic impact of Covid is REALLY going to hit us later this year.

Homeowners Insurance is going to freak out a lot of folks when it comes time to renew.

Lumber, Construction, Food shortages, and again warehouses are bare bones thin right now in a lot of common goods. Just general supplies of stuff like bottled water/beverages in Florida are so thin that hurricane threat would empty it out in a bad way.

 

[havoc315]

It would be immensely stupid, on the day they started transitioning from FP+ to Park Pass that they didn't make a server backup. I'm going to have to DH if at his small companies if they got rid of a code module they got rid of all copies, entirely. Because that doesn't sound right to me. Server space is so cheap, there would be no reason for a company like Disney not to save something in a code attic somewhere. Needing to rename a bunch of stuff, in the code so no variable conflicts, that I could see. But that isn't recreating code, and couple months, sure, but not "starting from scratch."

Of course they have the actual code on a backup. It would be shocking if they didn't. But the code was never designed to run alongside parkpass. Further, I don't know what type of bandwidth they each occupy when running, so you might need to increase bandwidth and network capacity to run them both. But critically, as they weren't designed to work together, you'd need to go back and re-write both in a way to make them work together.
For example, right now, the SQL database is using the "FP" slot to designate a fastpass.
In other words, the data base has a "slot" for "FP1" --- It was used for the person's first fastpass selection. But now, FP1 is used for their parkpass.
So if you simply launched the FP+ code... they both would try to access the SQL database. The parkpass system would try to put your parkpass in the FP1 slot of the database, while the FP+ system would try to put the fastpass into the FP1 slot.

So you actually need to go and re-design the SQL database in order to house both systems. Then you'd need them to be able to communicate with each other.

This would likely take months. But if they were planning on getting rid of FP+ anyway, why go through all this re-programming just to bring back FP+ temporarily?? Instead, they are likely working on the system that will replace FP+.