Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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havoc315

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The problem is stock-holders and the attitude that you can't have profit AND treat and pay employees well. It's a complete fallacy.

Certainly, the drive to please stockholders contributes, but it's beyond that.

Consumer behavior is a more powerful driver. Most consumers will go buy a product where ever they get it cheapest.
If the environmentally friendly store that pays their employees $20 per hour charges $20 for a carton of milk, and the chain supermarket charges $4 for the carton of milk -- the vast majority of consumers will go buy the $4 milk.

Plenty of corporations actually treat their employees perfectly fine. Starbucks, Home Depot.... a couple examples of places that have stellar reputations.

And remember, in a thriving economy, you will have increased labor demand. Increased labor demand means employers MUST treat employees well to attract them in the first place and to retain them.
 

havoc315

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In-n-out charges $6.70 for a double-double, fries, and drink. They pay very well and make huge profits.

Surprisingly enough... it works.

I can't comment on specifics... because I don't know what market they are charging $6.70 in, I don't think that's the same across the nation.
And briefly looking it up, their wages average below $15 per hour. And they don't offer their part-time employees health insurance.

So it appears they do pay far better than most typical fastfood, but still not at a level that would be considered "very well." More like, they pay "very well for fast food."
 

corsairk09

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That’s exactly the attitude I was talking about.

That’s just a few steps away from slavery. “You want to eat you better make my burger for me and smile while you do it!”
1. To those who are lucky enough to only consider how to "feel" about your job. Congrats.
2. OF COURSE people go to work in order to pay their bills.
3. There is ZERO shame in doing that.
4. I worked as a server/bartender for a long time. I LOVED it! It was wonderful to be a part of people's vacations, special occasions, family time, etc. To say that these people aren't going back to work because their job has no value shows how you feel about service industry employees, not how they feel about themselves.
 

TrainsOfDisney

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I can't comment on specifics... because I don't know what market they are charging $6.70 in, I don't think that's the same across the nation.
And briefly looking it up, their wages average below $15 per hour. And they don't offer their part-time employees health insurance.

So it appears they do pay far better than most typical fastfood, but still not at a level that would be considered "very well." More like, they pay "very well for fast food."
The in n out menu has always been the same prices regardless of location in my experience. This includes the Linq plaza in Vegas where a $4 Starbucks passion tea costs $7. (That’s higher than Disney prices!).
 

jmp85

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That’s exactly the attitude I was talking about.

That’s just a few steps away from slavery. “You want to eat you better make my burger for me and smile while you do it!”
Slavery? Really? So what is your solution for those who don't find their current occupation rewarding? Should we pay them to sit on the couch because they don't want to work to support themselves? Or should they obtain a new skillset and work for something more rewarding?

If the burger worker doesn't want to work there, he has every right to quit and find something else. He doesn't have to serve me a burger.
 

CaptainAmerica

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Appears CDC will allow cruises if 95% of guests are vaccinated -- In other words, the only way they could get to 95%, is if they require vaccination among all eligible guests. THey may need to limit the number of unvaccinated kids on board.
That's not what it says.

"Ships can bypass the required simulated test voyages carrying volunteers and jump to sailings with paying passengers if 98% of crew and 95% of passengers are fully vaccinated."

There's no requirement to hit 95% if they do those test voyages first.
 

ImperfectPixie

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Ah yes, have the owners foot the bill, not the customers. Hey, as long as someone else pays for it.
The owners also get to write off business expenses - including those related to labor.

We've got to stop feeling bad about the possibility that a CEO may make $50 million instead of $100 million and thinking that stock-holders are entitled to force a company to squeeze every drop of profit out of a business regardless the human cost.
 

ULPO46

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‘The struggle is real:’ Orlando restaurant owner can’t find workers​



Central Florida Restaurants Struggling to Fill Open Positions

Business is picking up for many hospitality industry businesses, but business owners are having a tough time hiring.
One restaurant worker we spoke with tells us laid-off employees aren't coming back because they are making more in unemployment.

Like others have said the problem with the Florida Job market right now is that some not all are being lazy and still receiving unemployment benefits. I was one of the most hated Debby Downers when I caught wind of the Virus in November of 2019 and started stating guys get ready for a long term closure. For those in the know, Disney did have long term closure plans for Disneyland and Disneyworld i.e in the case of a Earthquake or Cat 4-5 Hurricane devastating the parks. No one expected Disney parks to be shut down for a year. and with that came a downturn on tourism across the entire state. Those who are hiring are hiring for 40+ hour weeks without benefits. No person wants to work without benefits and with the uncertainty that is tip share pay. Which has led to this.



For the first time in over a decade Disney Corporate Hiring site is hiring for just about every hourly position available at both Disney World and Disneyland Resorts. Which in and in its self has become somewhat controversial for current and furloughed Cast Members whom many are still awaiting a call back to work.

To the many who where intelligent enough to note that they had rent and payments still due, many left Disney/ Orlando and went back home or somewhere else across the state to work or finish their education to get a better job. While you can make a career out of Disney, the cost of living anywhere within a 30 min drive of the resort is near impossible to afford even with a 15 dollar an hour wage.

The Morale across the resort with those CM's who did remain are close to an abyss, many are happy to be back to work, but the uncertainty, the wishy washy regulations and now both the County and State lifting certain mandates makes for a very interesting year in hospitality and within the company as a whole. No one expected Covid. I almost always plan annually for a contingency plan in case I get furloughed due to a Hurricane, but this was unprecedented and beyond control.

Another key issue is that Americans as a whole are woke. Last night our current president politely reiterated his intention to ask congress to lift the Federal Minimum wage to 15 dollars an hour. Most ignorant people believe that it's in effect as Florida as a whole did vote for this in the last Midterms in 2018. However it won't be implemented for a long while. While one can find some companies hiring at 15 hr, i.e. Target being the one that most often comes to mind, the reality is that most of these now hiring jobs aren't offering these rates of pay.

Which is another thing currently plaguing Disney Hiring Managers. How do we compete with Universal, Seaworld, and every last tourism related job currently hiring when so many people have left Orlando due to a year of no business. Slowly but surely conventions are beginning to return to resorts and hotels, but the reality is that even those events are short staffed. Not everything can be attributed to Unemployment checks. After all it's become a joke around here that you can't hire a Lyft or Uber because of how high the demand is that wait times are hours long.

It will take a year or two before things settle down, but for now, this is the hard cold reality of Florida's largest sector of it's economy. Hundreds of thousands unemployed all looking for the same jobs. All we can do is stipulate and see as we progress through the summer which historically does tend to be Floridas busiest season. Even without the post surge era, this does happen to be the season of hiring as UCF, the areas largest university tends to end spring semester and all those students tend to look for work at quick service, hotels, and other hospitality related work.
 

SamusAranX

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We've had a few restaurants here locally either close outright or only open during dinner because they can't find workers. The McDonalds in my home town had to close for an entire day due to short staffing. It's definitely an issue.
At least according to my Mom, the "looking for employment" requirement is waived until end of May in Florida. So if i am collecting a few hundred a week, and don't have to work, why would I seek employment? The brewery I stopped at in Virginia has the same issue; can't find help and they were offering 15 an hour plus tips. It's definitely not the sole reason but yeah.
 

007mickey

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That’s exactly the attitude I was talking about.

That’s just a few steps away from slavery. “You want to eat you better make my burger for me and smile while you do it!”
You're going with "slavery" out of this discussion?!? Yikes, I'll see myself out of this hot button topic.
 

havoc315

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That's not what it says.

"Ships can bypass the required simulated test voyages carrying volunteers and jump to sailings with paying passengers if 98% of crew and 95% of passengers are fully vaccinated."

There's no requirement to hit 95% if they do those test voyages first.

Correct.... And what's not clear but likely, is they have to sail with additional restrictions if they don't have that 95%. (that's the point of the test sailings, to test with restrictions that are unnecessary if they have the 95%).

The State of Florida can't dictate which method they take -- It will be up to the cruise ship, in conjunction with the CDC and other regulatory agencies, in conjunction with multi-national port agreements, etc.
 

jmp85

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The owners also get to write off business expenses - including those related to labor.
I'm a CPA, I understand how financial statements work. I appreciate what you're saying, but owners have no incentive to incur an unnecessary expense, just because they can save a small percentage in taxes. If you want to argue that businesses have a social responsibility to pay a certain wage, that's another topic for another day. I too believe that the minimum wage needs to be addressed but a lot of the approaches I see need to be refined a bit to take into consideration regional economics.
 

CaptainAmerica

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I'm a CPA, I understand how financial statements work. I appreciate what you're saying, but owners have no incentive to incur an unnecessary expense, just because they can save a small percentage in taxes. If you want to argue that businesses have a social responsibility to pay a certain wage, that's another topic for another day. I too believe that the minimum wage needs to be addressed but a lot of the approaches I see need to be refined a bit to take into consideration regional economics.
"Paying $20,000 of home mortgage interest to the bank to avoid paying the $4,000 of income taxes to the government."
- Financial Geniuses
 

Flugell

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WDW is an international destination. Please can I remind people that WDW will NOT be able to return to normal in any way until international visitors are able to return. In 2019 (the last figures available pre COVID-19) around 20%of visitors were from outside the USA. These visitors generally stayed longer and spent more money so providing TWDC with about 25% of their income. How can Disney claim to be normal with such a reduction of both customers and income?
 
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