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mmascari

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I think he and others in the government could have done a better job.
Without a doubt, this is a true statement.

The mask and the herd immunity percent changes having explanations that included reasons not related to the virus were incredibly damaging mistakes. Even if everything else was perfect, those two items including intentions that were based on perception, were a mistake.

At @DisneyDebRob points out, lots of the time it's us that's the problem.

I can agree that he's not perfect. And that breaks in trust are harder to earn back than not having broken them to begin with.
 

ABQ

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This is really surprising/concerning. This is from Publix at 12:21 PM. Moderna appointments for M-F next week. Booking window opened at 7AM.

County (Condado)Appointments Remaining (Citas restantes)
Alachua72%
Bay73%
Brevard47%
BrowardLess than 1% (menos de 1%)
Charlotte66%
Citrus76%
Clay69%
Collier9%
Columbia90%
Desoto83%
Duval75%
Escambia87%
Flagler57%
Hernando61%
Highlands80%
Hillsborough14%
Indian River65%
Lake45%
Lee33%
Leon76%
Manatee56%
Marion75%
Martin30%
Miami-DadeFully Booked (Completamente reservadas)
MonroeFully Booked (Completamente reservadas)
Nassau88%
Okaloosa69%
Okeechobee38%
OrangeLess than 1% (menos de 1%)
Osceola20%
Palm BeachFully Booked (Completamente reservadas)
Pasco53%
Pinellas52%
Polk25%
Santa Rosa74%
Sarasota62%
Seminole4%
St. Johns76%
St. Lucie30%
Sumter91%
Suwannee78%
Volusia46%
Walton81%
Can you get another update to see if many more were booked? Not sure I entirely understand this chart though. I assume there are many Publix locations in each county, but the ones I want to see fully booked appear to be, at least I hope Orange went from 1% to full. Are they doing vaccinations at each and every Publix in each county, or just a select few? How many locations are in Orange and Osceola?
 

GoofGoof

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Median age for new cases yesterday was 34. 34 and under represent 0.7% of FL COVID deaths. The worst age group under 35 for case fatality rate is 25-34 and the CFR is 0.1%. Before anybody goes too crazy about "the numbers," look at the overall picture as more and more of the most vulnerable age groups become maximally protected by the vaccines every day.
This is true. It’s also why the percent of hospitalizations is growing in the under 45 demographic. Most of the higher risk people are covered already or at least 1 shot in.
 

Patcheslee

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Can you get another update to see if many more were booked? Not sure I entirely understand this chart though. I assume there are many Publix locations in each county, but the ones I want to see fully booked appear to be, at least I hope Orange went from 1% to full. Are they doing vaccinations at each and every Publix in each county, or just a select few? How many locations are in Orange and Osceola?
All are booked now. Interesting the way they are doing the appointments. Wonder if the J&J books quicker due to it being a weekend vs M-F.
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Patcheslee

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Local restaurant will start serving their buffet again starting Sunday, while our county cases and positivity continues to grow. I guess the health department has given them the okay?
 

Disney Experience

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I took my wife to the research doctor Thursday for her reveal and 6 month post vaccination visit. I am in the Pfizer Phase 3 study, she is in the Moderna Phase 3 study. Both of us are now past the six month mark since each of our final vaccination. I was told months ago I had the actual Pfizer vaccine and not the placebo. She was told whether she had the Moderna or Placebo yesterday. She had the real Moderna vaccine. Yea! So we both got lucky and had real vaccination. She had a 103 fever for a short time the day after the second shot so she expected even then she had the real vaccine and not saline.

I am glad she is vaccinated, and that both our studies have shown great efficacy and duration. As well as good efficacy on variants.
 

seascape

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I took my wife to the research doctor Thursday for her reveal and 6 month post vaccination visit. I am in the Pfizer Phase 3 study, she is in the Moderna Phase 3 study. Both of us are now past the six month mark since each of our final vaccination. I was told months ago I had the actual Pfizer vaccine and not the placebo. She was told whether she had the Moderna or Placebo yesterday. She had the real Moderna vaccine. Yea! So we both got lucky and had real vaccination. She had a 103 fever for a short time the day after the second shot so she expected even then she had the real vaccine and not saline.

I am glad she is vaccinated, and that both our studies have shown great efficacy and duration. As well as good efficacy on variants.
Thanks to both of you and congratulations and being vaccinated.
 

danlb_2000

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Local restaurant will start serving their buffet again starting Sunday, while our county cases and positivity continues to grow. I guess the health department has given them the okay?

Indoor dining is high risk already, so I don't know how much worse a buffet will really make it.
 

Disney Experience

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Thanks to both of you and congratulations and being vaccinated.
Thank you for the remark. We got married in October and I had both of my shots in September. She had her first shot in September. We had stayed in the three bedroom villa in the Grand Floridian for a little less than a week as our first part of our honeymoon. Then as we planned she visited the research site in Deland, Fl to get her second shot. We then flew to the Grand hotel in Mackinaw island for our the second part of our three part honeymoon trip. Final part was a cabin in the Blue Ridge Mountains. So her second shot was part of the honeymoon.
 

JoeCamel

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Indoor dining is high risk already, so I don't know how much worse a buffet will really make it.
I've been to a few buffets across the east in the last 6 months, usually a low contact with hand sanitizer requested/required before serving yourself. I was not concerned with catching it as I had it February '20 and am now vaccinated. Strange feeling.
I had lunch at a counter order/table serve place in Georgia? Tennessee? a few months ago on a Sunday, no masks in sight and packed with the after church crowd. I wore mine but really I only am concerned for those that flaunt this, they are playing with fire based on what I had.
 

GaBoy

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I've been to a few buffets across the east in the last 6 months, usually a low contact with hand sanitizer requested/required before serving yourself. I was not concerned with catching it as I had it February '20 and am now vaccinated. Strange feeling.
I had lunch at a counter order/table serve place in Georgia? Tennessee? a few months ago on a Sunday, no masks in sight and packed with the after church crowd. I wore mine but really I only am concerned for those that flaunt this, they are playing with fire based on what I had.
I live in Georgia. I haven't seen a mask inside a restaurant since they opened back up and we started going back in to eat the end of last year. Maybe tighter around Atlanta. Outside of Atl.... nope. I didn't pay much attention or wear one once seated.
 
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JoeCamel

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I live in Georgia. I haven't seen a mask inside a restaurant since they opened back up and we started going back in to eat end of last year. Maybe tighter around Atlanta. Outside of Atl.... nope. I didn't pay much attention or wear one once seated.
I was running the smaller roads and pulled into a tiny town for breakfast, the looks I got wearing a mask from the regulars? OK, I can take it. Breakfast was just so-so but the coffee was good and the service pleasant.
 

GaBoy

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I was running the smaller roads and pulled into a tiny town for breakfast, the looks I got wearing a mask from the regulars? OK, I can take it. Breakfast was just so-so but the coffee was good and the service pleasant.
We aim to please. Don't mind the looks. Comes more from being new. They were just trying to figure out if they knew you. I see lots of folks wear them around here and a lot don't. Most say that masks are allowed but not required:)
 
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correcaminos

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I took my wife to the research doctor Thursday for her reveal and 6 month post vaccination visit. I am in the Pfizer Phase 3 study, she is in the Moderna Phase 3 study. Both of us are now past the six month mark since each of our final vaccination. I was told months ago I had the actual Pfizer vaccine and not the placebo. She was told whether she had the Moderna or Placebo yesterday. She had the real Moderna vaccine. Yea! So we both got lucky and had real vaccination. She had a 103 fever for a short time the day after the second shot so she expected even then she had the real vaccine and not saline.

I am glad she is vaccinated, and that both our studies have shown great efficacy and duration. As well as good efficacy on variants.
Woo hoo! I figured she had the real deal from what you said before. Glad it was confirmed. Surprising it took so long to unblind. Not sure when you found out but I know it wasn't long after me. And my friend in J&J was unblinded weeks ago. Must have been hard wondering. Thanks again to you both for doing trials! Glad you both were fully vaccinated!
 

Horizons '83

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I live in Georgia. I haven't seen a mask inside a restaurant since they opened back up and we started going back in to eat end of last year. Maybe tighter around Atlanta. Outside of Atl.... nope. I didn't pay much attention or wear one once seated.
I live closer to Atlanta and masks are everywhere. But you’re right rural Georgia is a different beast.
 

GaBoy

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Here's another interesting article. Once you get away from Atlanta and its suburbs, it gets increasingly easy to find vaccine slots on short notice. In addition to what's described in the article, I know some who are waiting for it to become easy to get slots at their local pharmacy (which typically has a weeks-long backlog) before getting their vaccine.

In Mississippi, 73,000 Vaccine Slots and Few Takers​

Andrew Jacobs
Fri, April 9, 2021, 8:08 AM

When it comes to getting the coronavirus vaccine, Mississippi residents have an abundance of options. On Thursday, there were more than 73,000 slots to be had on the state’s scheduling website, up from 68,000 on Tuesday.

In some ways, the growing glut of appointments in Mississippi is something to celebrate: It reflects the mounting supplies that have prompted states across the country to open up eligibility to anyone over 16.

But public health experts say the pileup of unclaimed appointments in Mississippi exposes something more worrisome: the large number of people who are reluctant to get inoculated.

“It’s time to do the heavy lifting needed to overcome the hesitancy we’re encountering,” said Dr. Obie McNair, an internal medicine practitioner in Jackson, the state capital, whose office has a plentiful supply of vaccines but not enough takers.

Although access remains a problem in rural Mississippi, experts say that the state — one of the first to open eligibility to all adults three weeks ago — may be a harbinger of what much of the country will confront in the coming weeks, as increasing supplies enable most Americans who want the vaccine to easily make appointments.

The hesitancy has national implications. Experts say between 70% to 90% of all Americans must be vaccinated for the country to reach herd immunity, the point at which the virus can no longer spread through the population.

When it comes to rates of vaccination, Mississippi still has a way to go, with just a quarter of all residents having received at least one dose compared with the nationwide average of 33%, according to state data. Other Southern states, among them Tennessee, Arkansas, Alabama and Georgia, have similarly low rates of vaccination.

A closer look at Mississippi’s demographics explains why hesitancy may be especially pronounced. The state reliably votes Republican, a group that remains highly skeptical of the coronavirus vaccine. Nearly half of all Republican men and 40% of Republicans overall have said they do not plan to get vaccinated, according to several recent surveys. Those figures have barely budged in the months since vaccines first became available. By contrast, just 4% of Democrats have said they will not get the vaccine.

Another factor in the state’s low vaccination rate may be Mississippi’s large Black community, which comprises 38% of the state’s population but accounts for 31% of the doses administered, according to state data. Vaccine hesitancy remains somewhat high among African Americans, although the doubts and distrust — tied largely to past government malfeasance like the notorious Tuskegee syphilis experiments — have markedly declined in recent months.

According to a survey by the Kaiser Family Foundation released last week, about 55% of Black adults said they had been vaccinated or planned to be soon, up 14 percentage points from February, a rate that approaches those of Hispanics, at 61%, and whites, at 64%.

A number of other heavily Republican states are also finding themselves with surfeits of doses. On Thursday, officials in Oklahoma, which has delivered at least one dose to 34% of its residents, announced they would open up eligibility to out-of-state residents, and in recent weeks, Republican governors in Ohio and Georgia voiced concern about the lackluster vaccine demand among their residents.

Tim Callaghan, an assistant professor at the Texas A&M University School of Public Health and an expert on vaccine skepticism, said that more research was needed to divine the reasons behind Mississippi’s slackening vaccine demand but that states with large rural populations, Republican voters and African Americans were likely to be the first to confront the problem. “If you’re looking to see vaccine hesitancy to emerge, it’s going to be in red states like Mississippi,” he said.

Mississippi officials are well aware of the challenge. On Tuesday, Gov. Tate Reeves held a news conference with a panel of medical experts who sought to dispel some of the misinformation surrounding the vaccines. They tried to explain the vaccine development process, rebutted claims that the vaccine can cause miscarriages and recounted their own personal experiences after getting the shot.

“I had about 18 hours of turbulence,” Reeves said, describing the mild, flulike symptoms he had felt after his second injection. “But I was able to continue and move on and work, and I feel much better waking up every day knowing that I have been vaccinated.”

Access is still a challenge in swaths of rural Mississippi, especially among African Americans who live far from the drive-thru vaccination sites in urban areas that account for roughly half the doses administered by the state. The scheduling system has also proved frustrating for the poor and for older people, who often lack internet access to book appointments or the transportation to get them to distant vaccination sites.

“We’ve got to take the vaccines to the people, to pop-up locations that don’t require internet or registration in advance,” said Pam Chatman, the founder of Boss Lady Workforce Transportation, a system of minivans that has been ferrying residents in the Mississippi Delta to mass vaccination locations.

Demand among African Americans was still robust, she said, noting long lines that formed this week outside a tent in Indianola, a small city in the Delta, where the single-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine was being offered. (The tents offering the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, which require two doses, were nearly empty.)

But hesitancy is rife. Dr. Vernon Rayford, an internal medicine doctor in Tupelo, said he had been frustrated by patients who offered up a variety of reasons for rejecting the vaccine. They claim it will give them COVID-19 or render them infertile, and they worry about unknown repercussions that might emerge decades down the road. “I’ve heard some really wacky theories,” he said.

Rayford, who sees patients of all races, said he had discerned subtle differences in the skepticism: African Americans voice mistrust of the health care system, while whites express a more amorphous distrust of government. “It’s like that line from ‘Anna Karenina,’” he said. “‘All happy families are alike; each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way.’”

Dr. Brian Castrucci, president of the de Beaumont Foundation, which focuses on public health, has been working on ways to allay such fears. Castrucci, an epidemiologist, is especially worried about young conservatives, ages 18 to 34; he cited a recent survey that found that 55% of college-educated Republican women under age 49 would not get vaccinated.

“Its polls like these that keep me awake at night,” he said.

The biggest obstacles to greater vaccine acceptance, he said, are the misinformation that flourishes on social media and the mixed messaging from Republican governors that leave people confused.

“By relaxing COVID restrictions, elected leaders in states like Florida, Mississippi, Texas and Georgia are pushing narratives about coronavirus that are working against a narrative that promotes the urgency of vaccinations,” he said. “And unfortunately, our vaccine campaigns are being undone late at night by Facebook and Twitter and Instagram.”

Until now, Mississippi health officials have been focusing much of their vaccine hesitancy efforts on African American and Hispanic residents through partnerships with churches and health clinics. Reeves, a Republican, has so far declined to single out skepticism among white conservatives in the state, but health officials said they were planning to address the problem through Facebook and Zoom meetings with local organizations.

Public health experts say what’s needed are well-crafted messages delivered by doctors, religious leaders and other figures who are trusted in a particular community. Dr. Thomas Friedan, a former director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention who took part in a focus group with vaccine-hesitant Trump voters that was organized last month by the de Beaumont Foundation, said participants wanted their fears acknowledged, and they craved factual information without being lectured or belittled.

“There isn’t one right way to communicate about vaccines, but you need multiple messages with multiple messengers,” said Friedan, who leads the health advocacy group Resolve to Save Lives. “And people don’t want to hear from politicians.
In a few short weeks or months (in the spots around this country that have open slots) I am going to start caring a lot less about protecting others if they decide to not protect themselves.
 
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