Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Heppenheimer]

I apparently am getting that mixed up with Meningitis...I’ll edit. You are correct there is no Mono vaccine

Also, the TB vaccinenis almost never given in the US, and I doubt any school requires it.

EDIT: Ah, I see in a later post that you mentioned the requirement for the TB test.

 

[JoeCamel]

Also, the TB vaccinenis almost never given in the US, and I doubt any school requires it.

Maybe means a negative TB test? Too many of those though..

 

[DCBaker]

 

[CaptainAmerica]

"Fourth wave" appears to have crested.

 

[GoofGoof]

I am going to start with the good news. The US is now down to 19.32 cases per 100,000. Even better California is lifting all restrictions starting June 15 so Disneyland can be back to normal.
Regrettably Florida went up to 26. Michigan is still leading tye US by a wide margin with 67 followed by NJ with 46 and NY at 39. Just those 3 states have a daily average of 18,343 which is 28.29% of all the US cases. Anyway, the drop today of US cases is hopefully the start of our next drop. The US has partially vaccinated over 33% of the population and fully vaccinated 19%. Add in those who recovered from Covid19 and it is obvious we will get to herd immunity soon. With 24 days left in April it means everyone who has already taken Pfizer's vaccine will be fully vaccinated and almost all those who have taken Moderna's. Therefore, we should be over 50% of the US population fully protected by the end of the month if we include those with natural immunity due to recovery from Covid19. Expect the numbers to drop significantly as the days move on.

Piggybacking on your post- nearly 1/2 of new virus infections are in these 5 states https://www.aol.com/news/nearly-half-us-virus-infections-194227189-090742645.html

The 5 states that make up almost 50% of new cases are amongst the highest states with the UK variant. One of the major drivers of the spike appears to be that variant. Obviously the variant can only do damage if people get together and spread it so there’s additional blame to go around. The good news is the vaccines are highly effective vs the UK variant and we should have the majority of American adults with at least 1 shot within 2 weeks. I did read a story that said the federal government was considering diverting extra doses of vaccine to the states with the worst outbreaks right now in an attempt to crush them quickly. No firm plans yet, just something that has been thrown around. I’m sure the governors of the other 45 states won’t be real happy if they actually did that.

 

[MisterPenguin]

This is 1 of the best explanations I’ve seen about the prospect of herd immunity, the need for more mitigation for a period of time even after herd immunity and the danger of vaccine hesitancy.

Wow. That was... remarkably reasonable.

You don't find that much on Twitter nowadays.

 

[GoofGoof]

if they aren’t going full costume they should at least go with mouse ears or Mickey hands

 

[GoofGoof]

Hoping this isn’t considered political, if it is feel free to remove. Just want to share this.

I guess I shouldn’t be surprised but... it certainly shocks me as a Canadian neighbour.



I hope this can be amended so the US is able to share with the rest of the world who also needs vaccines.

I am assuming that this clause was added for the benefit of the manufacturers. If the US has a surplus and dumps those doses on the open market for free or a discounted price they are undercutting the manufacturer. I would assume most of the manufacturers would be OK with that now anyway given the billions being generated from the sales.

 

[GoofGoof]

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"Fourth wave" appears to have crested.

I’m optimistic that this little plateau is similar to the one in Israel about a month ago before their cases shot downward again. The red circle in the graph below is the similar plateau in Israel.

 

[DCBaker]

 

[CaptainAmerica]

This is 1 of the best explanations I’ve seen about the prospect of herd immunity, the need for more mitigation for a period of time even after herd immunity and the danger of vaccine hesitancy.

"The need for more mitigation for a period of time even after herd immunity" is literally the CAUSE of vaccine hesitancy. Those points are in direct contradiction to one another.

If you told people "get the vaccine and you can snap your fingers like Thanos and your life can return to normal," vaccine hesitancy will go to zero overnight.

 

[GoofGoof]

"The need for more mitigation for a period of time even after herd immunity" is literally the CAUSE of vaccine hesitancy. Those points are in direct contradiction to one another.

If you told people "get the vaccine and you can snap your fingers like Thanos and your life can return to normal," vaccine hesitancy will go to zero overnight.

I don’t know about zero, but there should be a consistent message that the vaccines work and if we all take them we get a return to normal. That was the point of the July 4th BBQ target. It was supposed to be an aspirational goal to encourage vaccine acceptance. Unfortunately due to the political talking heads both sides poo poo’d it as too aggressive or too conservative.

 

[danlb_2000]

Even if they don't rule the one out, 2 were not fully vaccinated.


The MDHHS said the three people who died were all 65 years or older, and two of the three were within three weeks of completing their vaccine.

And lets focus on the actual odds of being fully vaccinated, catching COVID and dying.

The state's COVID-19 dashboard shows that more than 4.7 million doses have been administered and 2,958,158 Michiganders have been fully vaccinated against COVID-19. That means .008315985% of people vaccinated have caught COVID-19 and .000101414% of people have died after being vaccinated.

I think you are reading this wrong:

"two of the three were within three weeks of completing their vaccine"

Earlier in the article is says that all of these people were fully vaccinated. I think this sentence means that they were infected 2 to 3 weeks after being fully vaccinated, implying that the full effect of the vaccine may take longer for some people.

 

[ToTBellHop]

People can argue as much as they want here but Disney has no interest in requiring vaccine passports to enter its theme park resorts in the USA.

They are only considering this for the Cruise Line.

 

[Touchdown]

Come on Florida, fill those appointments!

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Unfortunately due to the political talking heads both sides poo poo’d it as too aggressive or too conservative.

Nobody poo poo'ed the July 4 target as too aggressive. Small groups of friends and family in your own backyard? People have been doing this for the last 13 months. WALT DISNEY WORLD has been open for 9 of those months.

 

[Incomudro]

"The need for more mitigation for a period of time even after herd immunity" is literally the CAUSE of vaccine hesitancy. Those points are in direct contradiction to one another.

If you told people "get the vaccine and you can snap your fingers like Thanos and your life can return to normal," vaccine hesitancy will go to zero overnight.

I was speaking to my wife about that the other night.
People can make a very reasonable argument for vaccine hesitancy.
"It's not FDA approved."
"If I don't get vaccinated, but most other people are vaccinated - including the most vulnerable - why should it matter if I take my own risk with my own health?"
"If I get vaccinated, I still need to wear a mask and social distance as does everyone else whether vaccinated or not, so what's the point?"
Now yes, most of us know that there are holes in those arguments - but they are not unreasonable points.
My wife and I were discussing how the point that mitigation efforts can be reduced and dropped more quickly if most people get vaccinated soon (and the ability of variants to arise) should be emphasized more clearly.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I was speaking to my wife about that the other night.
People can make a very reasonable argument for vaccine hesitancy.
"It's not FDA approved."
"If I don't get vaccinated, but most other people are vaccinated - including the most vulnerable - why should it matter if I take my own risk with my own health?"
"If I get vaccinated, I still need to wear a mask and social distance as does everyone else whether vaccinated or not, so what's the point?"
Now yes, most of us know that there are holes in those arguments - but they are not unreasonable points.
My wife and I were discussing how the point that mitigation efforts can be reduced and dropped more quickly if most people get vaccinated soon (and the ability of variants to arise) should be emphasized more clearly.

Exactly. It's like they think talking up how effective the vaccine is will cause people to run home and start sneezing directly into their neighbors' mouths just for fun.

 

[havoc315]

"The need for more mitigation for a period of time even after herd immunity" is literally the CAUSE of vaccine hesitancy. Those points are in direct contradiction to one another.

If you told people "get the vaccine and you can snap your fingers like Thanos and your life can return to normal," vaccine hesitancy will go to zero overnight.

Read the thread. It's not "mitigation forever even after vaccination" ---

It's: Herd immunity prevents new outbreaks from growing.
Thus, we need a combination of vaccination plus mitigation to end the current outbreak.
After the current outbreak ends, then we don't need mitigation -- we can rely on herd immunity to prevent further outbreaks.
And we aren't talking about years of mitigation -- talking about a few weeks, maybe a few months, depending on the level of compliance.

Vaccine hesitancy is largely caused by the same thing as mitigation resistance -- ignorance.

So yes, vaccination is indeed the key to ending mitigation. But it's not a switch you flick the moment an individual gets vaccinated.

 

[sullyinMT]

I was speaking to my wife about that the other night.
People can make a very reasonable argument for vaccine hesitancy.
"It's not FDA approved."
"If I don't get vaccinated, but most other people are vaccinated - including the most vulnerable - why should it matter if I take my own risk with my own health?"
"If I get vaccinated, I still need to wear a mask and social distance as does everyone else whether vaccinated or not, so what's the point?"
Now yes, most of us know that there are holes in those arguments - but they are not unreasonable points.
My wife and I were discussing how the point that mitigation efforts can be reduced and dropped more quickly if most people get vaccinated soon (and the ability of variants to arise) should be emphasized more clearly.

The biggest closure to most of those porous arguments (particularly the extended mitigation one) is the action taken by CA and Orange County, FL recently to give a target date for opening in different respective degrees if the current course is stayed for a bit longer (or you encourage your friends to get the shot, too).