Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[dreday3]

No one said businesses shouldn't adapt and it's great there are success stories out there.

But it's not that easy for everyone and I don't think their plight should just be dismissed as "maybe they need to learn a new trade that pays the bills". That's what I call callous.

There's room to have empathy for all situations.

 

[danlb_2000]

That article quoted a small, non-randomized study that noted people specifically "on lockdown", which is not what most of us have been doing the majority of time over the past 12 months, gained an average of 0.5 lbs over 10 days. Interesting, but that's hardly the same as and certainly not definitive evidence that obesity rates have accelerated during the pandemic.

Without a comparison to how much weight people gained before the lockdowns the study isn't really useful. That .5 lb gain may be an improvement for all we know.

 

[GimpYancIent]

Way back in the beginning when masks first became recommended the narrative was that masks should be worn anywhere in public where it’s impossible or impractical to maintain 6 feet of distance. Remember the one way arrows on the ground in aisles in stores. Over time we’ve sorta just determined that masks are needed anywhere in public because as it turns out people are very bad at distancing. Now that could be a chicken or the egg situation and maybe people ignore distancing because everyone is wearing masks. Either way, I agree with the point that masks would be less relevant if people actually maintained 6 foot distancing, especially outside.

People are terrible at depth perception hence the 6' distance thing was simply telling people to give each other some space. Masks are a barrier, it does not matter if one is protecting themselves from others or vice versa or both, besides the masks make it more palatable to be less than 6' from some folks. Yea me, myself (all three of us) vote for masks over social distancing.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I think deaths and hospitalizations should be a big driver of change. The CDC still doesn’t list that as a factor. They say guidance will be updated and expanded based on the level of community spread of SARS-CoV-2, the proportion of the population that is fully vaccinated, and the rapidly evolving science on COVID-19 vaccines. They may consider deaths to go hand in hand with community spread but in theory once we finish elderly and high risk people with vaccinations the death rate should drop dramatically.

cases feed into the hospitalizations and death numbers. The only way to “make it go away” is to crush the cases and then respond quickly if and when they inevitably flash again.
It’s really no different than the fire department.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Most of the arguments here are grossly over simplified. Restaurants are struggling terribly due to the pandemic. It’s an over simplification to just blame government imposed capacity limits for that. Take a place like FL which has no capacity limits on restaurants and hasn’t had them statewide since September. Did no restaurants in FL go under since September? Are all workers back to work? Are all the restaurants making normal profits or even any profits? Just taking away restrictions isn’t going to be a light switch to return restaurants to profitability. Same goes for all aspects of the economy. You can have everything open with no restrictions but you can’t force people to participate. So the tastes great, less filling debate of protecting health or protecting jobs is flawed because they are intertwined. If we actually did a better job controlling Covid spread the economy would have been greatly helped too. On the flip side, having too strict of restrictions unnecessarily damages the economy without a large increase in public health benefit. That’s why the plan all along should have been to have reasonable restrictions that limit things that are known to be higher risk for exposure while not unnecessarily restricting things that have shown to not be as risky. In a lot of places that’s exactly what did happen. Restrictions in December were much different than restrictions last March/April.

If we look at WDW it’s the same story. The precautions in place have allowed them to stay open and given a large number of the people who visited the comfort to feel safe while visiting. The economy isn’t about me or you individually it’s about what the masses will do so even if you aren‘t afraid of a virus and/or you are young and healthy so don’t feel it’s a big risk and/or you would go to WDW without masks and distancing right now that doesn’t mean the masses agree with you. That may be your preference but it’s not what’s best for Disney as a business. I have a hard time fully believing a lot of the people who continuously rail about the economy. I think the true motivation in some cases is just being allowed to do what you want to do but that seems selfish and so people hide behind the economy.

it was never about the economy...or the health of children being in schools...or getting on slinky dog.

it’s about a modern society that has no tolerance for the word “no” unless it’s targeted at who they perceive as their enemies.

 

[Parker in NYC]

Unless you can find a single post where I've said anything of the kind (and if I did, I would have to apologize profusely as I don't ever want to be dismissive of someone dying), I don't see why you are quoting my post.

I'm quoting it because of the topic, not because of anything you ever said or did. Presumably, I mean, I'm not wading through nearly 3000 pages.

 

[Parker in NYC]

it was never about the economy...or the health of children being in schools...or getting on slinky dog.

it’s about a modern society that has no tolerance for the word “no” unless it’s targeted at who they perceive as their enemies.

Can we just cite this on every page.

 

[GoofGoof]

cases feed into the hospitalizations and death numbers. The only way to “make it go away” is to crush the cases and then respond quickly if and when they inevitably flash again.
It’s really no different than the fire department.

Cases are an early warning sign for hospitalization and death. If cases spike today, hospitalizations follow in a few weeks and deaths in a month or so. There could be a brief time period here where we have disproportionately vaccinated the elderly and high risk so cases could spike from younger, healthier people who aren’t vaccinated yet spreading the virus but we may not see as large a spike in hospitalizations or deaths...at least that’s the hope. Eventually as vaccine availability fully opens things will even out and then we should see all 3 continuously dropping or at least trending downward.

 

[Patcheslee]

People are terrible at depth perception hence the 6' distance thing was simply telling people to give each other some space. Masks are a barrier, it does not matter if one is protecting themselves from others or vice versa or both, besides the masks make it more palatable to be less than 6' from some folks. Yea me, myself (all three of us) vote for masks over social distancing.

I told my 12yo if she can put her arms above her head, fall and touch someone she's too close. Couldn't convince her to try it though

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Can we just cite this on every page.

...somebody will owe me $0.10 each time.

watch out,Zuckerberg...I’m coming for ya

 

[Armerius]

I went to Publix. They asked for my Drivers License and that was it. I signed up as a teacher and they didn't even as for a teacher ID.

thanks for the info. sadly i dont reside in the states. im just checking the posibility to go to disney and get a shot while im there. but with those requirements its not going to be posible as of yet.

 

[mmascari]

I told my 12yo if she can put her arms above her head, fall and touch someone she's too close. Couldn't convince her to try it though

My youngest has requested a pool noodle or light saber for outings to determine distance and keep people an appropriate distance away.

I think she wants a real light saber, she means business, there are consequences for getting to close.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I told my 12yo if she can put her arms above her head, fall and touch someone she's too close. Couldn't convince her to try it though

You can get sponsors on YouTube for that footage.

 

[GoofGoof]

thanks for the info. sadly i dont reside in the states. im just checking the posibility to go to disney and get a shot while im there. but with those requirements its not going to be posible as of yet.

Even the chain pharmacies by me are asking for a drivers license or ID to add you to their system. At least by me they haven’t asked for proof of medical conditions or employment to prove eligibility, but they need to set you up in their customer pharmacy system even though there is no actual charge to the customer. I guess that’s how they track the doses used and ultimately get paid by the government.

 

[Armerius]

Even the chain pharmacies by me are asking for a drivers license or ID to add you to their system. At least by me they haven’t asked for proof of medical conditions or employment to prove eligibility, but they need to set you up in their customer pharmacy system even though there is no actual charge to the customer. I guess that’s how they track the doses used and ultimately get paid by the government.

yes and they want to avoid the vaccine tourism (just what i want to do) as of yet, i know in houston there is not that problem but its waaaay more expensive to get there and stay for 3 weeks. But i supposed it will change at some point cause aliens cant get vaccinated as of now it seems and given the population of those is high in those states they will have to reverse those requirements at some point.

 

[Incomudro]

That article quoted a small, non-randomized study that noted people specifically "on lockdown", which is not what most of us have been doing the majority of time over the past 12 months, gained an average of 0.5 lbs over 10 days. Interesting, but that's hardly the same as and certainly not definitive evidence that obesity rates have accelerated during the pandemic.

I'm going to take a gamble that general weight gain is true.
I'll also state that by and large the population of this country learned no lesson from this pandemic.
Have people largely vowed, or more importantly will make an effort in their personal health that would enable them to handle such a respiratory virus the next time around?
Are they teaching their children a lesson learned from The Great Pandemic of 2020/21 that the overweight, and those with lifestyle related conditions such as diabetes, cardiovascular, conditions etc. did so poorly, and that these people should make an effort to secure their own health in the future?
Not likely, and certainly in very small numbers.
Here's what "we" learned: Carry on like you usually do, don't change anything about yourself, and when the next pandemic comes along - a vaccine will be available in less than one year.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

My youngest has requested a pool noodle or light saber for outings to determine distance and keep people an appropriate distance away.

I think she wants a real light saber, she means business, there are consequences for getting to close.

Going to cost you 300 bucks so she can keep her distance if your buying it in Disney.

 

[Chi84]

Funny, I've seen plenty of folks in this thread dismissive of people getting sick and dying from this thing AND of CMs losing their jobs. Eh, it happens, that's life, right?

Early on there were a few heartless "grandma was old anyway" posts, but I haven't seen those in awhile. Hopefully they've gone the way of the "people are selfish and don't care who dies" posts. Neither position is very helpful, in my opinion, except as a feel-good measure for those who have nothing of substance to say and just like to trigger others.

 

[Heppenheimer]

I'm going to take a gamble that general weight gain is true.
I'll also state that by and large the population of this country learned no lesson from this pandemic.
Have people largely vowed, or more importantly will make an effort in their personal health that would enable them to handle such a respiratory virus the next time around?
Are they teaching their children a lesson learned from The Great Pandemic of 2020/21 that the overweight, and those with lifestyle related conditions such as diabetes, cardiovascular, conditions etc. did so poorly, and that these people should make an effort to secure their own health in the future?
Not likely, and certainly in very small numbers.
Here's what "we" learned: Carry on like you usually do, don't change anything about yourself, and when the next pandemic comes along - a vaccine will be available in less than one year.

Granted, I haven't been in high school in several decades, but I remember a large portion of health class being about good diet and healthy living. Are they not teaching this stuff anymore?

 

[HarperRose]

thanks for the info. sadly i dont reside in the states. im just checking the posibility to go to disney and get a shot while im there. but with those requirements its not going to be posible as of yet.

Vaccines aren't available in your country?