Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[seascape]

Florida is still stuck at 22 cases per 100,000. Hopefully, this is because of Spring break and is stuck rather than spiking. As for the country, yesterday's NY number does look like an error as yesterday's number was back to 8,008. However, looking at the states that all followed Governor Cuomo, NY, NJ, CT, RI, MS, PA and DE, they make up 7 of the top 9 states. But, NH is one of the other and actually a Boston suburb and Michigan is the other. Every other state is at 23 or below.

10 states in single digits
26 states in the 10's
10 states in the 20's
Then there are NJ, NY, Michigan, Connection and RI.

Hopefully we are actually in a spike, which is being held down due to vacations and as soon as Easter is over we will see a fall in cases like we did after New Year's. In any case, we are doing better that most countries but shouldbe doing even better. Wear your masks, social distance and wash you hands. AND MOST IMPORTANTLY TAKE THE VACCINE!

 

[ABQ]

There are no states that are “locked down” or “closed.” except for a few counties in California and New York City, every state has been at 50% dining or more for months. NY has been at 50%+ for dining for more than 6 months. (New York is now 75% outside of NYC). There has been this myth about states still being “locked down.” No state has been locked down for months, though many should be.

I will only speak for myself, but that is not true. The largest counties in my state are still only at 25% dining. Maybe we're the only one, but I'd appreciate some more data to support the claim that every other state aside from those CA and N?Y counties, have been at 50% indoor dining for months.

 

[Bill in Atlanta]

I never said i don’t care about people’s jobs. I care way more about people’s lives though and always will. You can get a new job.

There are lots of things we can do as a society to “save lives” in the short term, while diminishing quality of life & life expectancy in the long term. Usually we don’t go that route.

 

[Heppenheimer]

To clarify, not all are stopped, just one that wasn't as effective by itself. It actually can be ordered, but not by itself. Kinda misleading title

Correct, the same monoclonal antibody is still given (bamlanivimab), but now in combination with etesevimab.

Geez, couldn't they have come up with less awkward drug names?

 

[Incomudro]

Notice that no one on either side is discussing the reduction in normal seasonal illnesses who's transmission have also been thwarted by these sanitation protocols. Colds, flu almost absent this past year.

Yeah, well... Avoiding virtually all human contact, will do that.
Is that a victory?

 

[Incomudro]

Because we're all about studies and stats around here, here's one from Fortune magazine.

I'll highlight a few parts for the TLDR coverage:

It should come as no surprise then that many restaurants were forced to shutter in 2020, but the numbers are still shocking. More than 110,000 eating and drinking establishments in the United States closed for business—temporarily or permanently—last year, with nearly 2.5 million jobs erased from pre-pandemic levels, according to the National Restaurant Association. And restaurant and foodservice industry sales fell by $240 billion in 2020 from an expected level of $899 billion.

Of restaurants that closed permanently in 2020, the majority were established businesses and fixtures in their communities; these eateries had been in business, on average, for 16 years, and 16% had been open for at least 30 years. Within this subgroup, these restaurants employed an average of 32 people; and 17% employed at least 50 people before they closed.
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I'm sure the number would have been higher than 110k, that quite a few others did make it through, but it's not like every one of them had that ability.

The restaurant business is difficult enough as it is without shuttering them.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Correct, the same monoclonal antibody is still given (bamlanivimab), but now in combination with .

Geez, couldn't they have come up with less awkward drug names?

Whenever I see "bamlanivimab" I assume the next words I read or hear will be "Ohhhh Black Betty."

 

[havoc315]

I will only speak for myself, but that is not true. The largest counties in my state are still only at 25% dining. Maybe we're the only one, but I'd appreciate some more data to support the claim that every other state aside from those CA and N?Y counties, have been at 50% indoor dining for months.

What state are you in?
Again, I don’t know any state apart from CA where indoor dining wasn’t re-opened to some degree months ago. And with a few county exceptions, everyplace has been 50%+ for quite a while.
what state do you believe still has closed indoor dining?

 

[dreday3]

Whenever I see "bamlanivimab" I assume the next words I read or hear will be "Ohhhh Black Betty."

Oh yeah. Will definitely be singing that all day.

 

[correcaminos]

Correct, the same monoclonal antibody is still given (bamlanivimab), but now in combination with etesevimab.

Geez, couldn't they have come up with less awkward drug names?

Right? I started to try to type it out and gave up. Copying gave weird formatting that I didn't feel like correcting so I just left out the name in my post

 

[Incomudro]

Agreed. I was told I had a simplistic view on life for prioritizing health over jobs.

You do.

 

[Incomudro]

There are lots of things we can do as a society to “save lives” in the short term, while diminishing quality of life & life expectancy in the long term. Usually we don’t go that route.

I find it ironic that the past year of lockdowns has actually increased the already high lelvel of obesity in America.
Obesity being a large comorbidity risk for covid, as well as numerous other ailments.
So we haven't made the population healthier, or more aware of what's likely to harm them.

 

[networkpro]

Yeah, well... Avoiding virtually all human contact, will do that.
Is that a victory?

That might have been your experience, however we have made several trips to Disneyworld, driven back and forth to our ranches, and gone about life with just additional sanitary practices (masks, washing hands more, using hand sanitizer when washing wasn't an option) and social distancing).

You do.

I disagree as we are not hunter-gatherers and live in a society that is interdependent not on automation, but on people doing jobs. You dont produce your own food, fuel, or power but are dependent on others to do that for you.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Yeah, well... Avoiding virtually all human contact, will do that.
Is that a victory?

Little kids in school aren’t exactly avoiding contact and are where this sort of spread is rampant.

 

[GoofGoof]

Agreed. I was told I had a simplistic view on life for prioritizing health over jobs.

Most of the arguments here are grossly over simplified. Restaurants are struggling terribly due to the pandemic. It’s an over simplification to just blame government imposed capacity limits for that. Take a place like FL which has no capacity limits on restaurants and hasn’t had them statewide since September. Did no restaurants in FL go under since September? Are all workers back to work? Are all the restaurants making normal profits or even any profits? Just taking away restrictions isn’t going to be a light switch to return restaurants to profitability. Same goes for all aspects of the economy. You can have everything open with no restrictions but you can’t force people to participate. So the tastes great, less filling debate of protecting health or protecting jobs is flawed because they are intertwined. If we actually did a better job controlling Covid spread the economy would have been greatly helped too. On the flip side, having too strict of restrictions unnecessarily damages the economy without a large increase in public health benefit. That’s why the plan all along should have been to have reasonable restrictions that limit things that are known to be higher risk for exposure while not unnecessarily restricting things that have shown to not be as risky. In a lot of places that’s exactly what did happen. Restrictions in December were much different than restrictions last March/April.

If we look at WDW it’s the same story. The precautions in place have allowed them to stay open and given a large number of the people who visited the comfort to feel safe while visiting. The economy isn’t about me or you individually it’s about what the masses will do so even if you aren‘t afraid of a virus and/or you are young and healthy so don’t feel it’s a big risk and/or you would go to WDW without masks and distancing right now that doesn’t mean the masses agree with you. That may be your preference but it’s not what’s best for Disney as a business. I have a hard time fully believing a lot of the people who continuously rail about the economy. I think the true motivation in some cases is just being allowed to do what you want to do but that seems selfish and so people hide behind the economy.

 

[ABQ]

What state are you in?
Again, I don’t know any state apart from CA where indoor dining wasn’t re-opened to some degree months ago. And with a few county exceptions, everyplace has been 50%+ for quite a while.
what state do you believe still has closed indoor dining?

New Mexico, Bernalillo County. Looked into some other states and March 5th I see Michigan opened from 25-50%, with cases rising, seems weird.

 

[dreday3]

Most of the arguments here are grossly over simplified. Restaurants are struggling terribly due to the pandemic. It’s an over simplification to just blame government imposed capacity limits for that. Take a place like FL which has no capacity limits on restaurants and hasn’t had them statewide since September. Did no restaurants in FL go under since September? Are all workers back to work? Are all the restaurants making normal profits or even any profits? Just taking away restrictions isn’t going to be a light switch to return restaurants to profitability. Same goes for all aspects of the economy. You can have everything open with no restrictions but you can’t force people to participate. So the tastes great, less filling debate of protecting health or protecting jobs is flawed because they are intertwined. If we actually did a better job controlling Covid spread the economy would have been greatly helped too. On the flip side, having too strict of restrictions unnecessarily damages the economy without a large increase in public health benefit. That’s why the plan all along should have been to have reasonable restrictions that limit things that are known to be higher risk for exposure while not unnecessarily restricting things that have shown to not be as risky. In a lot of places that’s exactly what did happen. Restrictions in December were much different than restrictions last March/April.

If we look at WDW it’s the same story. The precautions in place have allowed them to stay open and given a large number of the people who visited the comfort to feel safe while visiting. The economy isn’t about me or you individually it’s about what the masses will do so even if you aren‘t afraid of a virus and/or you are young and healthy so don’t feel it’s a big risk and/or you would go to WDW without masks and distancing right now that doesn’t mean the masses agree with you. That may be your preference but it’s not what’s best for Disney as a business. I have a hard time fully believing a lot of the people who continuously rail about the economy. I think the true motivation in some cases is just being allowed to do what you want to do but that seems selfish and so people hide behind the economy.

Oh man. All I was saying is it felt wrong to be so dismissive of restaurant closings as in - oh well, so sad, they should get a different job.
I think the poster said some crappy things, was extremely dismissive of other people's problems and I said so. I still think so, but no one will change anyone's mind. The part about who can easily switch over to delivery was just a conversation about differing experiences and thoughts on the matter - that conversation went a little wonky and I think there was a misunderstanding of what people meant, on my part also.

I'm not commenting on why or if restaurants should have closed. I've always supported precautions that needed to be taken, but was also able to recognize the economic suffering of those affected by such closings. You can do both.
Just like you can care about people's lives and people's livelihoods at the same time.

It's like either you have to be one extreme or the other. Any rational, reasonable people who sit in the middle - someone from either extreme tries to categorize them. Or everyone else just shouts over their opinions.

I won't be categorized!

(anyways, I'll stop cluttering the conversation with this)

 

[Heppenheimer]

I find it ironic that the past year of lockdowns has actually increased the already high lelvel of obesity in America.
Obesity being a large comorbidity risk for covid, as well as numerous other ailments.
So we haven't made the population healthier, or more aware of what's likely to harm them.

Source? I scanned several databases and didn't see anything about obesity rates showing any particular acceleration during the pandemic.

It was already pretty bad prior to the pandemic anyway.

 

[havoc315]

New Mexico, Bernalillo County. Looked into some other states and March 5th I see Michigan opened from 25-50%, with cases rising, seems weird.

Exactly.... New Mexico doesn't have any "closed" counties to my knowledge. Just some with lower capacity than others, and New Mexico is actually now one of the most restricted states.
New York, outside of NYC, went from 50%->75%, despite rising cases.

Very few places are really "closed." And it's just a smattering of counties that are even under 50% anymore.

The idea that some places are "open" and some places are "closed" has long been a fiction.
Some places are "more" open than others, it's a gradient. And even in places that are "totally open," there are still lots of "voluntarily" taken restrictions, like you see at Disney World.
Thus, the differences between "open" regions and "closed" regions tend to be pretty minor. Sure, the "closed" state has dining limited to 50%. Meanwhile, in the "open" state, many restaurants are spacing out the tables more, they have hesitancy from many customers to eat indoors, so those restaurants may effectively be operating far below 100% anyway.

 

[Horizons '83]

Getting the ole Pfizer poke today, fairly impressed Georgia has opened up to all. Appointments are tough to find but that will change with time.