Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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DCBaker

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Six Bay Area counties in CA (Alameda, Contra Costa, Marin, San Francisco, San Mateo, and Santa Clara counties, as well as the City of Berkeley) announced Monday in a joint statement they'd be extending shelter-in-place orders through the end of May.

abc7news.com

6 Bay Area counties relax some shelter-in-place restrictions; here are changes starting May 4

"All construction activities, certain businesses that operate primarily outdoors, and some outdoor activities will be allowed to resume with specific conditions," Bay Area public health officials said in a joint press release.
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Disney Dead Head

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natatomic said:
I have no idea how true it is, but it makes sense to me that they would do some sort of “testing“ at least with CMs first, and maybe some APs. Typically, that’s how new rides are opened, with CMs as a testers – it’s not just Disney being nice to their employees, it’s also so they can see how the operation works in practice, not just theory. See if there’s any kinks that need to be worked out before opening to the public.

A major change in all operations park wide definitely seems like it’s going to need a test group first. At least, in my humble opinion....
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I posted this on another forum..........My 2 cents that would be easy to do a soft roll out would be to open the MK only to resort guests staying within the Monorail system. that would give them an exact count of how many people are already there and give them options on possible virtual ques and see how that works and then progress to other resorts as they work out the kinks. Also folks staying there are more likely to have or use ADR's and they can plan on what restaurants need to be staffed......also if the Poly and GF walk way is finished all guests could walk to the resort and not have need for monorail or transportation
 
GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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_caleb said:
Oh, so you haven't read the guidelines, then? Here's a link.
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I think the grey area for WDW opening during phase 2 would be here:

All individuals, WHEN IN PUBLIC (e.g., parks, outdoor recreation areas, shopping areas), should maximize physical distance from others. Social settings of more than 50 people, where appropriate distancing may not be practical, should be avoided unless precautionary measures are observed.

So following a strict interpretation: WDW absolutely would qualify as a social setting with 50 or more people and appropriate social distancing is definitely not practical. Where the grey area comes in is they say unless precautionary measures are observed. Now these are only federal guidelines and the state of Florida would have to lay out the official state requirements but a lot of the talk around changes for park opening revolve around defining those precautionary measures.

If they wait for the FL equivalent of phase 3 the restrictions would be much more mild. Here is all that is recommended :

VULNERABLE INDIVIDUALS can resume public interactions, but should practice physical distancing, minimizing exposure to social settings where distancing may not be practical, unless precautionary measures are observed.

LOW-RISK POPULATIONS should consider minimizing time spent in crowded environments

That‘s a green light for Disney to lift a lot of the restrictions that are really going to be impractical to enforce.
 
ToTBellHop

ToTBellHop

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GoofGoof said:
I think the grey area for WDW opening during phase 2 would be here:

All individuals, WHEN IN PUBLIC (e.g., parks, outdoor recreation areas, shopping areas), should maximize physical distance from others. Social settings of more than 50 people, where appropriate distancing may not be practical, should be avoided unless precautionary measures are observed.

So following a strict interpretation: WDW absolutely would qualify as a social setting with 50 or more people and appropriate social distancing is definitely not practical. Where the grey area comes in is they say unless precautionary measures are observed. Now these are only federal guidelines and the state of Florida would have to lay out the official state requirements but a lot of the talk around changes for park opening revolve around defining those precautionary measures.

If they wait for the FL equivalent of phase 3 the restrictions would be much more mild. Here is all that is recommended :

VULNERABLE INDIVIDUALS can resume public interactions, but should practice physical distancing, minimizing exposure to social settings where distancing may not be practical, unless precautionary measures are observed.

LOW-RISK POPULATIONS should consider minimizing time spent in crowded environments

That‘s a green light for Disney to lift a lot of the restrictions that are really going to be impractical to enforce.
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Screening is a precautionary measure.
 
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DCBaker

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How Ohio will start reopening -

Phase 1

Friday, May 1: Hospital, medical, dental and veterinary services that don't require an overnight hospital stay.

Monday, May 4: Construction, distribution, manufacturing, offices

Tuesday, May 12: Consumer, retail and service businesses

Rules and guidelines

Businesses are required to do the following if they open in the coming weeks:

  • Ensure 6 feet between people and if not possible, install barriers
  • Make sure face coverings are worn at all times.
  • Stagger or limit arrivals of employees and guests.
  • Disinfect desk and workstations daily.
  • Change shift patterns and stagger lunch and break times.
  • Establish a maximum capacity.
  • If a case is confirmed, isolate and seek care for the person, contact local health district and shut down shop/floor for deep sanitation.
Businesses are encouraged to:

  • Provide a stipend to employees for private transportation
  • Close cafeterias and gathering spaces or regularly clean them
  • Disinfect entire facility daily
  • Test all suspected infections or exposures and work with local health departments to help with contact tracing
  • Establish a temperature-taking protocol

    www.cincinnati.com

    What's in phase 1 of Ohio's coronavirus reopening plan?

    Ohio dentists, offices and manufacturers are OK to open soon; bowling alleys, barbershops and gyms are not.
    www.cincinnati.com
 
trainplane3

trainplane3

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DCBaker said:
How Ohio will start reopening -

Phase 1

Friday, May 1: Hospital, medical, dental and veterinary services that don't require an overnight hospital stay.

Monday, May 4: Construction, distribution, manufacturing, offices

Tuesday, May 12: Consumer, retail and service businesses

Rules and guidelines

Businesses are required to do the following if they open in the coming weeks:

  • Ensure 6 feet between people and if not possible, install barriers
  • Make sure face coverings are worn at all times.
  • Stagger or limit arrivals of employees and guests.
  • Disinfect desk and workstations daily.
  • Change shift patterns and stagger lunch and break times.
  • Establish a maximum capacity.
  • If a case is confirmed, isolate and seek care for the person, contact local health district and shut down shop/floor for deep sanitation.
Businesses are encouraged to:

  • Provide a stipend to employees for private transportation
  • Close cafeterias and gathering spaces or regularly clean them
  • Disinfect entire facility daily
  • Test all suspected infections or exposures and work with local health departments to help with contact tracing
  • Establish a temperature-taking protocol

    www.cincinnati.com

    What's in phase 1 of Ohio's coronavirus reopening plan?

    Ohio dentists, offices and manufacturers are OK to open soon; bowling alleys, barbershops and gyms are not.
    www.cincinnati.com
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PA is doing it way better then Ohio! We're...
Starting Friday, May 1, golf courses, marinas, guided fishing trips and privately owned campgrounds may reopen statewide...
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What the...uh...huh. Right. Guess everyone's golfing on Friday then. 🤣


www.governor.pa.gov

Governor Announces May 1 Statewide Reopening of Limited Outdoor Recreational Activities to Help Pennsylvanians Maintain Positive Physical, Mental Health

To ensure that Pennsylvanians have opportunities to safely enjoy outdoor recreation as a way to maintain positive physical and mental health, and in keeping with the commonwealth’s stay-at-home orders to mitigate the spread of COVID-19, Governor Tom Wolf today announced that the Wolf...
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eduardz

eduardz

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_caleb said:
Oh, so you haven't read the guidelines, then? Here's a link.
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Yes, I just read that before posting my previous comment!
GoofGoof said:
I think the grey area for WDW opening during phase 2 would be here:

All individuals, WHEN IN PUBLIC (e.g., parks, outdoor recreation areas, shopping areas), should maximize physical distance from others. Social settings of more than 50 people, where appropriate distancing may not be practical, should be avoided unless precautionary measures are observed.

So following a strict interpretation: WDW absolutely would qualify as a social setting with 50 or more people and appropriate social distancing is definitely not practical. Where the grey area comes in is they say unless precautionary measures are observed. Now these are only federal guidelines and the state of Florida would have to lay out the official state requirements but a lot of the talk around changes for park opening revolve around defining those precautionary measures.

If they wait for the FL equivalent of phase 3 the restrictions would be much more mild. Here is all that is recommended :

VULNERABLE INDIVIDUALS can resume public interactions, but should practice physical distancing, minimizing exposure to social settings where distancing may not be practical, unless precautionary measures are observed.

LOW-RISK POPULATIONS should consider minimizing time spent in crowded environments

That‘s a green light for Disney to lift a lot of the restrictions that are really going to be impractical to enforce.
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Exactly!
Local government just needs to define what precautionary measures could be, which it could be as simple as having hand sanitazers stations up to taking temperature to all the people comming to the parks.
 
Disney Analyst

Disney Analyst

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Bob Harlem said:
www.mynews13.com

Disney's Construction Firm Lays Off Over 1,000 Workers Amid Park Closures

Many construction projects stopped when the parks.
www.mynews13.com www.mynews13.com

1000 layoffs from Disney's construction firm Buena Vista Construction. FWIW, Universal's construction is still going on (new park and IOA Construction).
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As has been pointed out before, Universal benefits from Comcast, which has a lot less of a financial strain due to COVID then Disney. At this point if Disney continued construction they'd be bankrupting themselves.
 
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Calmdownnow

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GoofGoof said:
If they wait for the FL equivalent of phase 3 the restrictions would be much more mild. Here is all that is recommended :

VULNERABLE INDIVIDUALS can resume public interactions, but should practice physical distancing, minimizing exposure to social settings where distancing may not be practical, unless precautionary measures are observed.

LOW-RISK POPULATIONS should consider minimizing time spent in crowded environments

That‘s a green light for Disney to lift a lot of the restrictions that are really going to be impractical to enforce.
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I think for a major brand like Disney, there are separate phases. A key 4th phase would be: "Can we make money or will we lose money under phases 2 and 3, and what is the reputational risk and long term impact on the brand value if there is an outbreak that can be contact-traced to our parks.
 
GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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MansionButler84 said:
Screening is a precautionary measure.
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Right, but is that good enough? So to meet the recommendation the decision has to be made to either attempt full social distancing everywhere at WDW (not practical), provide enough screening that social distancing is not necessary (not sure that’s even possible with asymptomatic spread) or some hybrid of the 2 approaches including some things like temperature scans and health questionnaires combined with some social distancing when it’s possible (changing queue lines, spacing tables, limiting transportation capacity and all the other stuff talked about). The final option is wait until phase 3 and avoid having to significantly alter the experience. Even in phase 3 there will be some changes but not as dramatic or as detrimental to guest’s enjoyment.
 
GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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Calmdownnow said:
I think for a major brand like Disney, there are separate phases. A key 4th phase would be: "Can we make money or will we lose money under phases 2 and 3, and what is the reputational risk and long term impact on the brand value if there is an outbreak that can be contact-traced to our parks.
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Of course the money decision comes first. If the answer is “we can’t make money” they keep the parks closed, say they are doing it for public safety and then get in line and beg for a government handout;)
 
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