Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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lazyboy97o

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Some have said that running the parks at 50% capacity will not generate any revenue for the company. Do we know (roughly) what capacity is the break-even point? Obviously there are many factors to consider in determining costs (immediate, long-term, public perception, etc.), but does anyone have a handle on Disney parks margins?
Magic Kingdom was designed to handle 10 million guests per year, has barely increased its attraction capacity, has unused retail capacity and has even lost dining capacity over the past 30 years. Parks with less visitation, more service and lower prices were able to be profit centers for Disney.
 

Touchdown

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Some have said that running the parks at 50% capacity will not generate any revenue for the company. Do we know (roughly) what capacity is the break-even point? Obviously there are many factors to consider in determining costs (immediate, long-term, public perception, etc.), but does anyone have a handle on Disney parks margins?

It’s worse then that if they don’t run any live entertainment and theatre shows. Take the biggest people eaters out of the parks and you take away are large amount of the park capacity. Take away Tiki, Train, Bears, Philharmagic, COP from MK is what 20-25% of park capacity? It’s worse in the other parks as the ratio of rides to shows is less.

I mean just think about AK and how packed the walkways get when FotLK or Nemo get let out, if they aren’t running that means AK’s capacity is greatly reduced.
 

flynnibus

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So can water

True - but a pointless attempt at negating the statement. The lethality of water isn't measured in GRAMS like Nicotine is.

The point still stands that Nicotine is a drug that if not administered with proper care is very dangerous. Which is the issue with any drugs being mentioned as potential blockers to infection these days.
 

Patcheslee

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Working? Doing their best to survive? Mom is home with 3 kids trying to get them all into virtual classrooms, or assignments, while Dad is an essential worker? Or vice versa, Dad is home with the kids while mom is working 12 hour shifts at the hospital? For example, I know a family where the Dad is a cop, the Mom is a Nurse, and they have two school age children. Not so easy. Anyways....
Both of us are "essential" factory workers, I've only been off April 12th-May 4th because of suppliers being shut down. How it was the days I was working and how it will be when I return to work is this with a 5th grader no family that isn't high risk and childcare closed: I work 4 blocks from home, she has a cell, our elderly neighbors across the street keep an eye on the house, as well as our next door neighbor who's restaurant closed. Camera set up in the family room for my sanity, I run home at lunch and make quick food for us to eat then run back to work and call during my breaks. DD and I came up with a daily reminder sheet (still get ready everyday and eat breakfast before my husband leaves, which classes to check, her normal chores, ect.) My manager knows she is at home and I'm allowed to keep my cell on the shop floor. With the manpower being down my hours are and will be 12 hours at least 5 days a week if not 7 at the moment. My employer will only give 80 hours "covid-19 pay" for being sent home for symptoms, quarantine requirement, or no childcare. After that use vacation if you have it, then 5 unpaid sick days, once those are used it only takes being off or late 2 days in a year to be fired. FMLA/STD goes through UNUM which has denied even high risk individuals from being off because they don't meet their requirements.
Short term our plan is working but that also means her usually spending and hour or so video chatting with her friends and asking when they can all get together. Being an only child makes it a bit harder to not be concerned with her need for socializing with other kids. Outside has still been rainy or chilly most my days off. A few days we were able to get her garden worked on and going for spring, then she started working on cleaning up the elderly couples flowerbed and chatted with them while they say up on their porch. Once I go back she will have even more time alone.
Definitely a juggling act that wears me out.
 

Kevin_W

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It’s worse then that if they don’t run any live entertainment and theatre shows. Take the biggest people eaters out of the parks and you take away are large amount of the park capacity. Take away Tiki, Train, Bears, Philharmagic, COP from MK is what 20-25% of park capacity? It’s worse in the other parks as the ratio of rides to shows is less.

Based on my experience, Country Bears and the Tiki room are easy to maintain social distancing. :)
 

wannabeBelle

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Apples and oranges. Most of mass transit in this country like you said, is open with social distancing. They can do that now because of the people staying home. .
You havent been to NYC Lately huh?? The subways and bus system were less crowded when they were running at 100% capacity at the beginning of this thing. That has been cut too as the ridership is down and to allow workers time off to not have to expose them to the virus. Masks are being worn, but social distancing is NOT a thing on the subways for sure. I saw a news report about a nurse who was saying that there is no social distancing on the subway. She is a nurse and is an essential worker but she has no other way to get to work. Once businesses start opening up again, social distancing on the public transportation system will not be possible. Marie
 
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_caleb

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It’s worse then that if they don’t run any live entertainment and theatre shows. Take the biggest people eaters out of the parks and you take away are large amount of the park capacity. Take away Tiki, Train, Bears, Philharmagic, COP from MK is what 20-25% of park capacity? It’s worse in the other parks as the ratio of rides to shows is less.

I mean just think about AK and how packed the walkways get when FotLK or Nemo get let out, if they aren’t running that means AK’s capacity is greatly reduced.
Yes, if shows are closed, there are fewer places for guests to go and less for them to do. I'm wondering how many paying customers they need in the park in order to make some money. Closing shows actually saves money (cast, techs, etc.), which makes the answer to my question complicated: how few people could Disney admit into a showless, paradeless, social-distancing-barricaded park and not lose money?
 

DisneyDebRob

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You havent been to NYC Lately huh?? The subways and bus system were less crowded when they were running at 100% capacity at the beginning of this thing. That has been cut too as the ridership is down and to allow workers time off to not have to expose them to the virus. Masks are being worn, but social distancing is NOT a thing on the subways for sure. I saw a news report about a nurse who was saying that there is no social distancing on the subway. She is a nurse and is an essential worker but she has no other way to get to work. Once businesses start opening up again, social distancing on the public transportation system will not be possible. Marie
Haven’t been to NY since January. I hear the same reports about philly, about 20 miles from me. It is impossible to social distance and just wait to the trains and buses start ramping up again, won’t work. I agree 100% with you.
They had shown trains from the suburbs going into philly with distancing in place, or should I say supposedly distancing. That’s why I think it’s mostly theater with the words being said. Until there is a vaccine or something to keep it at bay, it will be impossible. Don’t see how Disney can do anything about it.
 

surfsupdon

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Haven’t been to NY since January. I hear the same reports about philly, about 20 miles from me. It is impossible to social distance and just wait to the trains and buses start ramping up again, won’t work. I agree 100% with you.
They had shown trains from the suburbs going into philly with distancing in place, or should I say supposedly distancing. That’s why I think it’s mostly theater with the words being said. Until there is a vaccine or something to keep it at bay, it will be impossible. Don’t see how Disney can do anything about it.
This is why I was referencing that Disney Transport will open. With social distancing or not, it will open. You weigh the risk and you take the risk or you do not. Practice good hygiene. They may not cram folks into buses or monorails to start, but they also will not enforce the 6ft apart guideline, just as the currently operating mass transit is not enforcing.
 

Touchdown

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In NY state, 14.9% of the antibody testing administered (7500 total people tested) have come back positive. In NYC, 24.7%

Whats the upstate percent? That number will be much more representative of the rest of the US population. That 14.9% total is skewed by the NYC numbers.
 

DCBaker

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No surprise here, but officially announced -

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