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John park hopper
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Not sure about that. I know Beijing families that have gone back to the zoo and restaurants
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I hope you are being sarcastic?
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I hope you are being sarcastic?
Jenny72
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If I knew I would have a very mild case, and my family too, I would just want to get this flipping thing and stay home and isolate for several weeks so as to not pass it to anyone else. Then when Disney opened again, we'd go and feel invincible. (We'd probably get the flu, haha.) At this point, I'd be willing to go even if hardly anything was open. I need to see a happy place again.
The problem is that no one knows that a case will be very mild. The thing we need most is more information. If we knew what specific factors were giving people such wildly different outcomes with this, etc., it would really help to build herd immunity. There are probably much better and less destructive ways to deal with this problem than what we're doing, but until we have more information, we just don't have much other choice. And so I haven't left my house almost at all for two weeks...
The problem is that no one knows that a case will be very mild. The thing we need most is more information. If we knew what specific factors were giving people such wildly different outcomes with this, etc., it would really help to build herd immunity. There are probably much better and less destructive ways to deal with this problem than what we're doing, but until we have more information, we just don't have much other choice. And so I haven't left my house almost at all for two weeks...
Is it breaking news that China smashed the curve? If not, it's insane and irresponsible.
21stamps
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I believe about half of the info that China puts out, half may even be too generous. I don’t fault people for going out for entertainment if the entertainment venue is open. People can’t stay in their homes forever.
Shouldigo12
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Plus, we have no idea how long immunity lasts. I know other viruses on the same family have immunity that lasts one to three years so you should be ok for a while, but better safe than sorry.
GoofGoof
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The number of new domestic cases in China has dropped to a handful each day. They are looking at closing their borders as most of the new cases were from foreign visitors (ironic considering the opposite in the beginning). Wuhan is still on lockdown but the rest of China is opening up. It’s a good test to see if there is an immediate relapse and 2nd outbreak. We can’t have the whole world on lock down for 18 months until a vaccine. The only downside to all of this is it’s hard to trust reports out of China but they are months ahead of us so the best test case for what we should do as restrictions ease.
Disstevefan1
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I would hate to think the CCP ordered its people to go back and patronize zoos and restaurants as their duty to the CCP, to make the rest of the world think the CCP has gotten ahead of this, or even worse, force a peak of infections which is known quicken then end of the spread even though it will result in the maximum deaths, something the CCP did and will continue to cover up.
I hope you are being sarcastic?
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No? I teach them and that’s where they were. The government opened them back up... so why not go?
willtravel
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After reading 3 threads on this topic, and VARYING degree of opinions (scientific) from the experts , I am starting to feel it is not IF you will get it but WHEN and if you will survive. I think the topic of when to open businesses up again is a damn if you do and damn if you don't.
Gonna go make some chocolate chip cookies. Always makes me smile.
Gonna go make some chocolate chip cookies. Always makes me smile.
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No? I teach them and that’s where they were. The government opened them back up... so why not go?
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Thin the herd. I have new definitions now for pro-choice and pro-life. Pro-life, stick it out until we know more. Pro-choice, make the choice to take your chances.
jmp85
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I used to work in the finance/accounting department at a fairly large hospital / health system (600 beds). I feel you on the cost, we just had a normal delivery at this hospital and they've already billed insurance over $30,000. I think allowable has been around $12,000 and we've had to cover $2,000.
Anyway, the system would regularly lose money. Biggest reason was that this was a NFP hospital so we would end up with all the substance abusers who would show up in the ER and drive huge losses. Efforts were made to redirect this traffic to lower cost clinics, but people just show up at the ER like it's an urgent care or something. People with insurance just subsidize the heck out of these uninsured folks. The NICU at this hospital runs huge deficits because a lot of the babies they see are "drug babies" knowing they won't see a penny for the treatment. The system is all sorts of messed up.
DisneyDebRob
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where I live in PA a Columbia university just did research with the day available and I so hope they are wrong. Differences between moderate social distancing or stricter measures. The numbers are unreal between the two.
patch.com
Best Case, Worse Case Scenarios For Coronavirus In Eastern PA
If moderate social distancing measures are enforced, the greater Philly area could see 2.8 million cases by mid-June, an analysis shows.
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21stamps
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where I live in PA a Columbia university just did research with the day available and I so hope they are wrong. Differences between moderate social distancing or stricter measures. The numbers are unreal between the two.
Best Case, Worse Case Scenarios For Coronavirus In Eastern PA
If moderate social distancing measures are enforced, the greater Philly area could see 2.8 million cases by mid-June, an analysis shows.
The problem is, no one knows. These are all based on insufficient data.
Last week studies said that it could be 100,000,000. This number will change many many more times. So chill out.
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Yessir.
Shouldigo12
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People also said there was "no way" it would come to the us, "no way" we would have to worry about getting as bad as Italy or China, and on a smaller note "no way" DW would close, and when it did, "no way" it would be closed for more than the original time period.
Yup. Those are pretty solid facts, wouldn't you think?
easyrowrdw
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His own claim is that “the virus is slightly more transmissible than we previously thought” (emphasis mine). Moreover, the reduction in his estimate for when the virus will peak is, like the death estimate, tied to the success of the current social-distancing measures, as he explained when speaking to parliament:
“If, and it’s an if, we're moderately confident as I’ve said but can't be completely sure, if the current measures work as we would expect them to then we will see intensive care unit demand peak in approximately two and half to three weeks’ time and then decline thereafter.”
UK intensive care demand to peak within 3 weeks, Ferguson says
If Britain's measures for tackling the coronavirus outbreak work then intensive care demand will peak in 2 1/2 to 3 weeks time, a top epidemiologist who advised the government said on Wednesday.mobile.reuters.com
None of this is to say that he’s right or shouldn’t be challenged. There are many unknowns here. But the game of “gotcha” that some outlets are trying to play is really unhelpful.
His quote in the article posted before says it is 2.5 to 3 times more transmittable than originally thought. That doesn't sound like slightly more to me. Unless I'm misunderstanding his statement. The editorializing in that article may be off, but it's still his direct quote.
Like you said, it seems like some people and articles were focusing on part of his comments as a gotcha. I'm not trying to do that. I just can't square some of what he's saying. Distancing clearly seems to be helping, but his quotes also seem to indicate more people have already had it. If that's true, then it's not as deadly as we thought (and that would be good news). Yet, he's saying otherwise.
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