Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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LittleBuford

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Like, what?? It’s not spreading by simply standing or sitting within 6ft of someone. Like most other virus, the biggest way to contract it is by TOUCHING something which was touched by someone else, and then touching your face prior to washing your hands.

The virus is thought to spread mainly from person-to-person.
  • Between people who are in close contact with one another (within about 6 feet).
  • Through respiratory droplets produced when an infected person coughs or sneezes.
These droplets can land in the mouths or noses of people who are nearby or possibly be inhaled into the lungs.

 

21stamps

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My ears are burning.

The advice is not to be among crowds. Yes, that makes a difference.

So the people who are going to grocery stores, movie theaters, etc.. they’re not touching anything?

I’m still going to work, I know I’m touching stuff and that not shaking hands or standing too close isn’t the only way to be sure that I won’t get it. The only way is to completely avoid touching your face and to constantly be washing/sanitizing your hands.
Which brings us back to the following- as long as people leave their house for any entertainment, work, or shopping venue.. then there’s no way to say that we didn’t put ourselves and others at risk.
 

Phil12

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All online toilet paper has an arrival date of April 13th or later now.
This will teach you to buy the large size:
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disneygeek90

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So the people who are going to grocery stores, movie theaters, etc.. they’re not touching anything?

I’m still going to work, I know I’m touching stuff and that not shaking hands or standing too close isn’t the only way to be sure that I won’t get it. The only way is to completely avoid touching your face and to constantly be washing/sanitizing your hands.
Which brings us back to the following- as long as people leave their house for any entertainment, work, or shopping venue.. then there’s no way to say that we didn’t put ourselves and others at risk.
I went to publix Thursday. Forgot my sanitizer in my car. Made a conscious effort to not touch near or around my face until I was back in my car. This isn’t rocket science.
 

Brer Oswald

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Parks will be open. Eventually. There would be CP positions for those who want them.
Are you inferring that the CP kids won’t want to go and instead cancel because of the situation?

If you are, I can assure you the attitude of the incoming CPs is quite the opposite.

If not, I don’t understand what you mean.
 

21stamps

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The virus is thought to spread mainly from person-to-person.
  • Between people who are in close contact with one another (within about 6 feet).
  • Through respiratory droplets produced when an infected person coughs or sneezes.
These droplets can land in the mouths or noses of people who are nearby or possibly be inhaled into the lungs.


You cropped it too soon. ;). The next line talks about surface spread.. which goes along with everything else about this virus- there is so much unknown... and we’re wrecking the economy over it. Full quarantine, or continue to do things like movie theaters, shopping, and work. Only one would fully eliminate it, but that one is too unrealistic to consider. So, if we all just chill out a bit and recognize that most people are not willing to fully quarantine., then the next few weeks will go a lot smoother, less panic, and hopefully the reopening of schools, normal work conditions, and so many other places.
 

Shouldigo12

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This just happened...

Panic shopping has continued, and as of yesterday, just getting a jar of jelly was a little bit of a challenge, and we weren't able to get peanut butter. Hubby grabbed the last 4-pack of toilet paper someone happened to be putting back on the shelf - at the second store he went to.


We just had to tell a "friend" (loose use of that word) that he and his son CANNOT come over and visit.

This person is a single dad with shared custody who lives at his mother's house. We've spoken with him a couple of times - to no avail - about coming over without bringing snacks for his 9-year-old and the fact that feeding them dinner every Friday with zero reciprocation isn't right and is making us feel used. This is a guy who doesn't do weekly food shopping even when he has his own place. He eats takeout/fast food/at restaurants and only buys "real" food if there's a specific meal he wants to cook. He has his son every weekend, but doesn't stock up on anything in preparation for it - he just stops at a convenience store and grabs snacks or whatever if his son says he's hungry. His mother refuses to babysit for him, and knowing his attitude and behavior, I'm not surprised and can probably guess why.

Big shocker...he just called and asked if we wanted to get our boys together...right at lunchtime. You can bet money that if they came over, they'd be here past dinnertime, so they'd be here for two meals. Sorry, but until the panic shopping stops and I know we can replace any food he and his son eat, I'm not running the risk of running out of anything.


(Before you all tear into me about allowing our family to be used in this way...we've mostly allowed the visiting for the benefit of the kids - all three of whom have autism.)
As far as food goes; I can't speak for every store. However, mine is not empty. When I was working today there was actually quite a bit there. It was specific spots that were left bare. Namely the canned vegetables, soup, pasta, rice, and so on. And of course toilet paper. But if someone needed some food for the week, they could absolutely come in and find something. The main issue, and why are grocery delivery was cancelled, was because all stores ran out of the items mentioned above, and have a full stock of the items people didn't buy in bulk. So they don't have anything to give us that we need to restock the empty parts of the shelf, and we don't want anymore of the items people didn't want to buy.

Just to list some of the things I saw plenty of on the shelves/back stock:
Health cereals (think Kashi).
Specific types of soup; for some inexplicable reason most cream based soups were left alone, while broth based just flew off of the shelf.
The less desirable, but still edible, canned vegetables like beets. Also a lot of canned fruit.
The entire baking aisle, except for cake and cookie mixes which were decimated.
Coffee and tea, of all kinds. Although oddly we did run out of creamer.
Kids snack gummies.
Chips and pretzels, except for Lay's and Doritos.
Anything gluten free.
Most of the dairy section, which did get the scheduled delivery (dairy is a separate delivery from grocery).

Again, this is just my store. I don't know what's happening at others. But I don't think anyone is at risk of not being able to get food if need be. Just be more open to eating beets. ;)
You don't have to tell your friend that though.
 

21stamps

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As far as food goes; I can't speak for every store. However, mine is not empty. When I was working today there was actually quite a bit there. It was specific spots that were left bare. Namely the canned vegetables, soup, pasta, rice, and so on. And of course toilet paper. But if someone needed some food for the week, they could absolutely come in and find something. The main issue, and why are grocery delivery was cancelled, was because all stores ran out of the items mentioned above, and have a full stock of the items people didn't buy in bulk. So they don't have anything to give us that we need to restock the empty parts of the shelf, and we don't want anymore of the items people didn't want to buy.

Just to list some of the things I saw plenty of on the shelves/back stock:
Health cereals (think Kashi).
Specific types of soup; for some inexplicable reason most cream based soups were left alone, while broth based just flew off of the shelf.
The less desirable, but still edible, canned vegetables like beets. Also a lot of canned fruit.
The entire baking aisle, except for cake and cookie mixes which were decimated.
Coffee and tea, of all kinds. Although oddly we did run out of creamer.
Kids snack gummies.
Chips and pretzels, except for Lay's and Doritos.
Anything gluten free.
Most of the dairy section, which did get the scheduled delivery (dairy is a separate delivery from grocery).

Again, this is just my store. I don't know what's happening at others. But I don't think anyone is at risk of not being able to get food if need be. Just be more open to eating beets. ;)
You don't have to tell your friend that though.

I have not stocked up on toilet paper or any more food than what I normally have. I still haven’t been inside a grocery store, and have no plans to do so until the country returns to even a bit of normalcy. Lol
 

21stamps

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No, I didn’t. I was simply addressing your incorrect assertion that “the biggest way to contract it is by TOUCHING something which was touched by someone else, and then touching your face prior to washing your hands.” Of course one can catch it that way, but person-to-person transmission is the main culprit according to experts.

Using the movies as an example.. at any point did you come within 6ft of someone, or no not at all?

Just to be clear again, I have zero issue with anyone going to the movies or Disney, or anywhere else.., I’m simply curious if it’s possible without passing by someone at all. I know avoiding surfaces is impossible, but is complete avoidance of humans possible too? Are they not scanning phones or taking tickets? I could see rolling out something different than a person here, but wondering if there’s been enough time for that to happen already.
 

ImperfectPixie

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As far as food goes; I can't speak for every store. However, mine is not empty. When I was working today there was actually quite a bit there. It was specific spots that were left bare. Namely the canned vegetables, soup, pasta, rice, and so on. And of course toilet paper. But if someone needed some food for the week, they could absolutely come in and find something. The main issue, and why are grocery delivery was cancelled, was because all stores ran out of the items mentioned above, and have a full stock of the items people didn't buy in bulk. So they don't have anything to give us that we need to restock the empty parts of the shelf, and we don't want anymore of the items people didn't want to buy.

Just to list some of the things I saw plenty of on the shelves/back stock:
Health cereals (think Kashi).
Specific types of soup; for some inexplicable reason most cream based soups were left alone, while broth based just flew off of the shelf.
The less desirable, but still edible, canned vegetables like beets. Also a lot of canned fruit.
The entire baking aisle, except for cake and cookie mixes which were decimated.
Coffee and tea, of all kinds. Although oddly we did run out of creamer.
Kids snack gummies.
Chips and pretzels, except for Lay's and Doritos.
Anything gluten free.
Most of the dairy section, which did get the scheduled delivery (dairy is a separate delivery from grocery).

Again, this is just my store. I don't know what's happening at others. But I don't think anyone is at risk of not being able to get food if need be. Just be more open to eating beets. ;)
You don't have to tell your friend that though.
Oh, I'm well aware, lol. But try telling an autistic kid "be more open to eating beets!", lol...just switching jelly brands can be an ordeal for us ("that doesn't look right, mom", "these gummy vitamins are harder than the other kind", "THAT pepperoni is too spicy - I won't eat it, I want the other kind"). I'm not even close to worried we'll starve or that food-shopping won't become more normal as time passes and panic subsides, but if I can avoid running out of the staples we eat week-to-week, I'm definitely going to make the effort to do so. It just blows my mind how clueless this guy is in general and how little thought he puts into the fact that he is quite literally a drain on other people's resources.
 

LittleBuford

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Using the movies as an example.. at any point did you come within 6ft of someone, or no not at all?

Just to be clear again, I have zero issue with anyone going to the movies or Disney, or anywhere else.., I’m simply curious if it’s possible without passing by someone at all. I know avoiding surfaces is impossible, but is complete avoidance of humans possible too? Are they not scanning phones or taking tickets? I could see rolling out something different than a person here, but wondering if there’s been enough time for that to happen already.

I didn’t say any of us should or could completely avoid being within six feet of others. Unless we refuse to leave the house, that isn’t possible. But there’s a huge difference between a momentary interaction with a store clerk or ticket salesperson and sitting for two hours in a crowded cinema, cafe, etc. The difference is so self-evident that I can’t believe I’m even having to type this.
 

monykalyn

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In 2010, at least 100,000 Haitians were killed by the earthquake and tsunami. Did most of the world really notice?
Well for as long as the media cycle lasted.
I said all 4 parks “may” not open... meaning it’s a possibility.
REally? Which park would stay closed (and ticket prices NOT adjusted)-MK with the highest attendance? DAK with one of the most popular rides (and didn't it have 2nd highest attendance)? DHS with the hot new ticket they just spent a whole ton of money on? Epcot and still pay the international cultural FT CM's? Epcot would make most sense-But then that shiny new Skyliner station is unused or way less used.
Yes, it is happening everywhere.

You’re missing two things:

1. Spring break is coming up (or has just happened for some). Many, if not most, college students were already going to be off-campus and/or back home with their parents.

2. Lockdowns and travel bans aren’t at all unlikely at this point. Isn’t it better for students to be with their families under such circumstances?
Again-1)normal circumstances wouldn't mean carrying a potentially deadly pathogen back, or spreading along the way. This isn't normal circumstance
2) At least give them the option like a number of campuses are doing. After all room and board has been paid for already. And it is significantly higher than tuition costs
Well, here's another one.

Oh good gravy!! Tests, quarantine for the obvious ill, tests for the non-symptom showing to see if carrying the virus but not yet ill and get them off as well. This panic and overreaction will cost more lives and money than using some common sense!!
I agree about our actions being too extreme..but at the same time I do think it will limit the spread... the question is-
At what cost?
and what is the end point and what happens next time?
For anyone not understanding why businesses are closing or why keeping your distance from other people is a good idea (social distancing) this is an excellent article which explains it very simply. https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/ There is no paywall or restrictions on viewing.
yeah and this is assuming that it isn't already spread further which we do NOT know thanks to getting DENIED
testing in January!! Serology testing in Seattle will be very interesting when all said and done. All these precautions will also help decrease FLU spread, thereby lessening hospital bed demand-I have no idea whether all these "flatten the curve" scenarios take that into effect?
It's not like a bunch of old people will just quietly go off and die
and no one is upset every. single. year. when flu hits and 1/2 million die globally and tens of thousands yearly in USA. Every year I get irritated with the uncovered hacking and sneezing or failure to sanitize hands after using a tissue and then blithely touching every surface. No one called for theme parks closing in 2009 with swine flu outbreak that tended to target kids and younger, healthier population-the demographic for that population. Just perspective. And before anyone spouts off about infectious factor, mortality rate etc-those numbers will very likely change in the "look back" period after the pandemic is over. Maybe worse, may be better.
 

The_Jobu

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Manpower. And womenpower of course.
So you're suggesting that the company with a history of cutting staffing to the bare minimum levels of customer satisfaction in good times might have even less staff when the park reopens and they're tight for money?

Well, that's fine. I guess a two-day line for Astro Orbiter isn't so bad.
 

LittleBuford

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Again-1)normal circumstances wouldn't mean carrying a potentially deadly pathogen back, or spreading along the way. This isn't normal circumstance
2) At least give them the option like a number of campuses are doing. After all room and board has been paid for already. And it is significantly higher than tuition costs

With regard to the first point, I don't know what you mean. The students I was referring to were going home or travelling anyway. Are you saying colleges should have forced them to stay put?

As to the second, I agree that any students who can't get home should be accommodated. I've already stated that clearly.
 

Shouldigo12

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Well for as long as the media cycle lasted.
REally? Which park would stay closed (and ticket prices NOT adjusted)-MK with the highest attendance? DAK with one of the most popular rides (and didn't it have 2nd highest attendance)? DHS with the hot new ticket they just spent a whole ton of money on? Epcot and still pay the international cultural FT CM's? Epcot would make most sense-But then that shiny new Skyliner station is unused or way less used.
Again-1)normal circumstances wouldn't mean carrying a potentially deadly pathogen back, or spreading along the way. This isn't normal circumstance
2) At least give them the option like a number of campuses are doing. After all room and board has been paid for already. And it is significantly higher than tuition costs
Oh good gravy!! Tests, quarantine for the obvious ill, tests for the non-symptom showing to see if carrying the virus but not yet ill and get them off as well. This panic and overreaction will cost more lives and money than using some common sense!!
and what is the end point and what happens next time?
yeah and this is assuming that it isn't already spread further which we do NOT know thanks to getting DENIED
testing in January!! Serology testing in Seattle will be very interesting when all said and done. All these precautions will also help decrease FLU spread, thereby lessening hospital bed demand-I have no idea whether all these "flatten the curve" scenarios take that into effect?
and no one is upset every. single. year. when flu hits and 1/2 million die globally and tens of thousands yearly in USA. Every year I get irritated with the uncovered hacking and sneezing or failure to sanitize hands after using a tissue and then blithely touching every surface. No one called for theme parks closing in 2009 with swine flu outbreak that tended to target kids and younger, healthier population-the demographic for that population. Just perspective. And before anyone spouts off about infectious factor, mortality rate etc-those numbers will very likely change in the "look back" period after the pandemic is over. Maybe worse, may be better.
I hope those numbers are different when we look back. As someone else said, the best case scenario is we look back at this period of time and laugh at how badly we overreacted.
 

21stamps

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I didn’t say any of us should or could completely avoid being within six feet of others. Unless we refuse to leave the house, that isn’t possible. But there’s a huge difference between a momentary interaction with a store clerk or ticket salesperson and sitting for two hours in a crowded cinema, cafe, etc. The difference is so self-evident that I can’t believe I’m even having to type this.

We’re in complete agreement here. Which is why it would benefit everyone to relax and stop acting like life has to come to a halt.
Go out and enjoy yourself at places that are still open..be responsible while there..don’t look for reasons to excuse it. Most importantly know that the more things close, and the less people who do go out, the more we wreck our economy.
Which is what this conversation was about- at what cost are these reactions having on the economy.
Social media is turning this into a virtue competition.. either the #stayhome folks or those who aren’t staying home but feel they have to add an explanation.
we need to mitigate all of the above as much as possible so we can recover quickly and don’t have a majority in full blown panic mode.
 
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