Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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LittleBuford

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It is probably more for her safety since many will riot.

Why on earth are you predicting a riot? Talk about sensationalist alarmism!

It’s well know that the queen prefers Windsor to Buckingham Palace, which is her official residence. Since official business is off the table for a while, it makes sense that she would move to the residence she enjoys more.
 

Nubs70

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This would be great in a perfect world.. but all of this happened so quickly that it’s just entirely unrealistic.
I agree with your ideas.. I just think it’s easier said than done.

We just have to hope the schools go back sooner rather than later.
This is no longer the time to wait or rely on government of employer to put into place. This needs to be instigated and after on at the neighborhood level. It needs to start by knocking on doors and ringing doorbells.

My experience over the last few days was enlightening in regards to my company. My company is one of the largest water treatment/ chemical sales companies in the world. I wrote an email to my local HR, described my situation, and a potential plan. This simple email ended up on the desk of the CEO in Finland in the matter of about 2 hours. Companies,in general, have no corporate plans in place for this current situation.
 

monykalyn

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Again, this is happening to college students across the country. If a lockdown comes into effect, it's better for them to be home with their families.
Is it? Kids in contact with tons of others, possibly exposed and asymptomatic, now forced isolation with possibly higher risk parents?
And worse, you can be infectious and not know it. And one of the studies showed you were actually more infectious when not showing the symptoms
Which is why, perhaps, the knee jerk reaction to clear out wasn't as well thought out as it could have been.
You are aware that college kids all over the country have been told go home / leave campus.
Yes and several campuses have gone to online classes, while still Keeping campus open including dining halls. If they've already been exposed there's little upside to sending them out on trains and planes to go home to potentially high risk family members.
This is an unprecedented health crisis,
Is it though? We tend to focus on the RIGHT NOW and forget we had 2009 happen and a really really bad flu season a few year ago, yet the media failed to panic the public. https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2017/p1213-flu-death-estimate.html
https://time.com/5107984/hospitals-handling-burden-flu-patients/ ****Please note I am NOT making light of current state of affairs but just offering perspective.
39 new cases confirmed in Florida yesterday, numbers released late last night, the biggest one day jump for the state. One additional case in Orange County. Brevard/Miami seems to be turning into a potential hot spot and it seems unclear if a lot of the cases are travel related.
OR they just got access to more tests??
This has led to a probably necessary over reaction
Well maybe the good thing to come out of this we now will get a better idea of how to handle things WHEN they occur and maybe people will be better at practicing and knowing how to stop spread of contagions before they get out of hand. And that we should be washing hands and not coughing or sneezing without covering it! And frankly-better guidelines for visitors in LTC and hospitals, enforcing STRICT hand hygiene protocols all year, not just when worry over flu or the next big thing happens.
Something I was wondering about today; how would we tell if these shutdowns are working as intended? We can't really go by new cases discovered each day, because our testing is so slow. I'm sure the shutdowns will have an effect, but I'm curious if the plan is to just shut things down for awhile and hope it worked or if there's something else they're looking at to determine when things should reopen.
In every media panic induced headline about doomsday scenarios in hospitals the article reports EVERY medical professional is frustrated at lack of early testing AND lack of supplies due to idiots hoarding needed equipment (PPE etc)-again induced by the panic driven media headlines. If we'd had the tests we would know more accurately what worked and how it worked.
Either way they need to actually ramp up testing to find out.
yep. And the accompanying hysteria to come! But hopefully this is coming very soon. At least those who have symptoms will know whether this is coronavirus or just regular old cold. Especially the healthcare workers - just plain ole URI or alleriges then good to go vs 2 week mandatory lay off.
Please enjoy this laugh in these times. Courtesy of reddit.
Katiebug???
But there are all those college kids who have been sent home - perhaps they could offer babysitting service to those who have to go to work?
If they could be tested with zero restrictions (not needing symptoms showing, close contact with known case etc) sure, and it could be a great solution. But remember the college kids have likely mingled with far greater and more diverse group than most parent groups arranging babysitting. Especially the DCP kids :)

I do hope when this is calmed down we do get seriology testing to see how many did actually have it vs the 'caught and confirmed' cases, and would help catch those asymptomatic cases too. https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/11...eveal-full-scope-of-u-s-coronavirus-outbreak/
 

"El Gran Magnifico"

Mr Flibble is Very Cross.
I think I remember this plot line from a movie I saw once:




Wait. Don't tell me Planet of the Apes is a documentary.
 

DisneyCane

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I know I will get hammered for saying this but the worldwide reaction to this virus is insane. It can not be contained BECAUSE it does not cause serious illnesses in at least 80% of cases. I know the experts say that we must "flatten the curve" to avoid overwhelming the healthcare system like happened in Italy.

I have a question. If Italy has a robust healthcare system to begin with, how was it overwhelmed by 21,000 cases, the vast majority of with weren't serious? It is a country of over 60 million people.

Now I will be very cold and pragmatic. Let's say that we let the virus run rampant and 1% of the work population dies from it. The average age of the people that have died from it is around 81. Realistically, how many years on average would these people have lived if not for COVID-19? Let's even say an average of 5 more years.

So in my scenario approximately 385 million years of life would be lost. Now let's look at the flip side. 99% of people won't die. Every day of this insanity 7.623 BILLION people are losing a quality day of a limited life. Not to mention the lasting quality of life decline from the lasting economic effects. For simplicity let's say that the economic part is offset by the quality days lost by people who get sick and recover from this. If the world shuts down like this for 30 days, that's collectively 626 million quality years removed from the world.

Anything can happen to anybody at any time. The cancelled WDW trip may be the last time a family can take that vacation together. I'm sure there will be other that say every life is precious. While that is true, in the grand scheme very few individual lives matter much.

In 2010, at least 100,000 Haitians were killed by the earthquake and tsunami. Did most of the world really notice?

The benefits of this insanity do not outweigh the sacrifices. Most of these measures are being driven by WHO and other health officials on a power trip. This is not Ebola or SARS or MERS.

This is not living in a free society. This is not sacrifice for the greater good. There is going to be untold damage to the world economy that will lead to a diminished quality of life for society as a whole and likely many people in developing nations dying of starvation.

As I asked in my other post? What is the end game. You slow the spread now and then it starts spreading from a new "patient zero" in a few months. Then what? Shut it all down again?

I know I'm coming off as a cold hearted lunatic but my opinion is to do sane things like drastically increase testing and isolate people who test positive. We shouldn't be doing insane things like ripping apart the fabric of society. Especially when this virus can not be eliminated unless you literally lock everybody in their home for a month or two and test them before they are allowed to leave again.

Anyway, that's just how I feel. Feel free to hammer away. I won't be offended.
 

TrainsOfDisney

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You are ridiculous. It’s people like you who are part of the problem and why this is has become a media circus and we have no toilet paper. There’s no way hotels will be “mothballed” and they will leave the water parks closed in the summer in Florida. You know you can’t get clicks in a forum, right?

I’m sorry I upset you so much. I suppose if I was out of toilet paper I would take it out on some random Disney fan as well.

I said all 4 parks “may” not open... meaning it’s a possibility.

If 9/11 mothballed resorts, which it did. I fully expect this to do the same. That’s not being ridiculous, it’s being realistic.

And I fully expect only 1 water park to reopen this year.
 

21stamps

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This is no longer the time to wait or rely on government of employer to put into place. This needs to be instigated and after on at the neighborhood level. It needs to start by knocking on doors and ringing doorbells.

My experience over the last few days was enlightening in regards to my company. My company is one of the largest water treatment/ chemical sales companies in the world. I wrote an email to my local HR, described my situation, and a potential plan. This simple email ended up on the desk of the CEO in Finland in the matter of about 2 hours. Companies,in general, have no corporate plans in place for this current situation.


I just googled to see any latest updates. Reassuringly, it looks like people are finally addressing this issue in various cities and states across the country. Much more than they were on Thursday.
In several areas the Y has stepped up, other local libraries (San Francisco), others day care centers providing school aged care.

Hopefully such alternatives will continue to become available.
It would be great if something like this would rally people to be more human to each other..let’s hope it does..but given the state of the supermarkets, I don’t have much faith. ;)
 

LittleBuford

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Is it? Kids in contact with tons of others, possibly exposed and asymptomatic, now forced isolation with possibly higher risk parents?

Yes, it is happening everywhere.

You’re missing two things:

1. Spring break is coming up (or has just happened for some). Many, if not most, college students were already going to be off-campus and/or back home with their parents.

2. Lockdowns and travel bans aren’t at all unlikely at this point. Isn’t it better for students to be with their families under such circumstances?
 

BlindChow

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I just looked at the tickets for my local theater playing Onward at 1:45. So far, in a theater that sits over 400, there’s 8 seats purchased. With those odds, I may actually go.
Nice advantage for theaters that let you pick your seats in advance. You can keep away from others (until someone chooses a seat right behind you, I guess)...

I wonder if they could implement a "lock-out" of surrounding seats to keep groups relatively separate.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
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I know the experts say that we must "flatten the curve" to avoid overwhelming the healthcare system like happened in Italy.

I don't think you do.

You think you're young and going to live forever and to let things just play out. But if you get into a car accident two weeks from now and need to be in Intensive Care to get through your recovery and maybe be on a ventilator for a while... guess what? You die. All the ICU beds are filled. All the respirators are used. You can't get access to it, and so you die.

Think of all the people you know... a percentage of them will become severely ill from the CV and they will die because there's not enough ventilators because you just let things run their course.

Have you ever needed to go the the emergency room for some treatment? If not you, maybe a family member? Now imagine it full and a 6 hour wait to see someone.

Go back and read more on flattening the curve until you understand it.
 

celluloid

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Why on earth are you predicting a riot? Talk about sensationalist alarmism!

It’s well know that the queen prefers Windsor to Buckingham Palace, which is her official residence. Since official business is off the table for a while, it makes sense that she would move to the residence she enjoys more.

It was not to be taken a high likelyhood but also something that is a concern. Especially when sovergn rule is not a thing anymore but she has a lot of emotions geared towards her.
Not saying it will happen, but it would be one of the reasons for her to move.

Economic hardships bring plenty of riots. Extremists go crazy over lost sports games. It is not a hard prediction when thinking of a public figures safety, especiaooy the Queen's case.
 

VaderTron

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I think I remember this plot line from a movie I saw once:




Wait. Don't tell me Planet of the Apes is a prophetic documentary.
 

Nubs70

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It was not to be taken a high likelyhood but also something that is a concern. Especially when sovergn rule is not a thing anymore but she has a lot of emotions geared towards her.
Not saying it will happen, but it would be one of the reasons for her to move.

Economic hardships bring plenty of riots. Extremists go crazy over lost sports games. It is not a hard prediction when thinking of a public figures safety, especiaooy the Queen's case.
I would rather hold up at Balmoral than Buckingham if I had a choice.
 

Surferboy567

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I wanted to say something that I saw that I wanted to give Disney props for (something that is rare but warranted).

Disney is apparently letting CP’s call out today with no penalty and lifted the ban on HWS. They are able to enjoy the parks on their last day without penalty. Yes I know, it’s small but that is nice.

Source: DCP Discord
 

DisneyCane

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I don't think you do.

You think you're young and going to live forever and to let things just play out. But if you get into a car accident two weeks from now and need to be in Intensive Care to get through your recovery and maybe be on a ventilator for a while... guess what? You die. All the ICU beds are filled. All the respirators are used. You can't get access to it, and so you die.

Think of all the people you know... a percentage of them will become severely ill from the CV and they will die because there's not enough ventilators because you just let things run their course.

Have you ever needed to go the the emergency room for some treatment? If not you, maybe a family member? Now imagine it full and a 6 hour wait to see someone.

Go back and read more on flattening the curve until you understand it.
I understand it perfectly and my opinion still stands. The number of additional deaths as a result still does not justify these extreme actions.

They are literally hurting the quality of life of everybody. The economic damage caused will be damage the quality of many millions of lives for years afterwards.

People die. It is sad but life goes on. My wife has lost 3 of 4 siblings, all under the age of 40. It was sad. We mourned. We miss them but life goes on.
 
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