Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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HauntedMansionFLA

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That’s actually what’s been going on in the “recovery”

Stores that sell decent product are closing by the thousands...TJX and Dollar Tree can’t get enough stores.

That - more than anything - is showing what’s behind Oz’s curtain
What would the demographic of travelers coming to WDW ?? Travelers from areas affected with the corona virus that is here at WDW before it was reported their country has the outbreak of the virus?
I’m waiting for the panic to hit WDW especially when the first report of the virus to hit the resort.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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What would the demographic of travelers coming to WDW ?? Travelers from areas affected with the corona virus that is here at WDW before it was reported their country has the outbreak of the virus?
I’m waiting for the panic to hit WDW especially when the first report of the virus to hit the resort.
They will react when and if it spreads and there are any cases around Anaheim or Orlando...they’ll try to downplay it till then.

Bring the purell stands back out like H1N1
 

Lilofan

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What would the demographic of travelers coming to WDW ?? Travelers from areas affected with the corona virus that is here at WDW before it was reported their country has the outbreak of the virus?
I’m waiting for the panic to hit WDW especially when the first report of the virus to hit the resort.
Panic of WDW is just a tip of the iceburg. It's pretty much Orlando and Kissimmee that is tourism driven and all the visitor and local folks that directly or indirectly feed or work for the mouse.
 

YorkshireT

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Coronavirus looks to have a circa 30x higher death rate than flu. It isn’t flu.

To suggest 20x more have succumbed to flu etc, does not show understanding of the issue. Hardly anyone, in comparison to flu, has got Coronavirus. Coronavirus is however extremely virulent and passes (it would appear) at least as easily as flu. Flu has jabs to counter it. Now imagine something at least and possibly more virulent than flu, no jabs, and a 30 times death rate. Imagine if that takes hold.

If it becomes pandemic, the US could see over 1m die.

Put simply no country has a healthcare system that could cope. This could mean hundreds of thousands who need medical care not getting it.

Governments have been playing down how serious it is, whilst making plans, for example, to draft in army medics, shut down schools, stop all large gatherings etc.

Hopefully we will all avoid worse case. Worse case is very serious and will very badly damage our economies.
 
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Lilofan

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It's truly sad China is not allowing families to bury their loved ones that succumbed to the coronavirus. Instead they are cremated immediately. RIP.
 

Lilofan

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Flu season started a bit early this year - and peaked earlier. It usually peaks around now or even march.
Coronavirus didn't "just" start - it started right around the same time as influenza - and travelers from China likely brought it to Seattle before 2019 was even over. Test kits were defective - if tests were even run (500 total before this week.) There are probably thousands of people who already have the virus here in the states - some of which probably have zero symptoms.

People who panic don't help anything, obviously. If you are immune-compromised in any way I'd take extra precautions. I'd avoid tight places with large crowds for the next 30-60 days.

I was in Costco and target today and it looked like a war zone. Even all the cold/flu med was sold out at Target. Wild.

Regarding your husband's stock retirement: I hope he doesn't have everything in one stock? The 11 dollars a share loss this week makes little sense out of context here. Overall most diversified portfolios are down 10-15% this week - but the stock market has been parabolic since October. My portfolio is right back where it was 4 months ago, but I'm sure we haven't hit the lows yet.

The real question is: When is the right time to start buying? :)
A similar panic zone is when a community prepares for an impending category 4/5 hurricane and no gasoline or pretty much any essential dry food and bottled water empty off of supermarket shelves.
 

JoeCamel

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It's truly sad China is not allowing families to bury their loved ones that succumbed to the coronavirus. Instead they are cremated immediately. RIP.
Do you remember the fears when graves of the 1918 Spanish Flu victims were opened many years ago? The fear was the virus was still alive and would be spread anew. I imagine something similar is at work here
 

The Mom

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People are straying off topic again. I was also guilty of same earlier, but will try to get people back on point this time. I know it's difficult to discuss the impact on WDW without discussing the economy as a whole - especially the stock market, but please try. Thank you.

Has anyone seen any specific instances, such as lay-offs, decreased number of guests, people wearing masks and gloves, etc?
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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People are straying off topic again. I was also guilty of same earlier, but will try to get people back on point this time. I know it's difficult to discuss the impact on WDW without discussing the economy as a whole - especially the stock market, but please try. Thank you.

Has anyone seen any specific instances, such as lay-offs, decreased number of guests, people wearing masks and gloves, etc?

I think that’s all to come, Mom.

What we can be sure of is a direct sharp impact on travel if there is a major disruption to the economy in the US. The effects would crush Disney from every angle.

The problem is we are now in the “post igerian” world...and we would need to analyze if a blow to the system is bad for we, the consumers, or not? At some point...it will be there in front of us.
 
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Lilofan

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People are straying off topic again. I was also guilty of same earlier, but will try to get people back on point this time. I know it's difficult to discuss the impact on WDW without discussing the economy as a whole - especially the stock market, but please try. Thank you.

Has anyone seen any specific instances, such as lay-offs, decreased number of guests, people wearing masks and gloves, etc?
There was a member posting something about current WDW Pres. Josh D' Amaro and layoffs that occurred at MK. I got with someone who lives in Orlando and works at MK. She advised she knows nothing as of now regarding lay-offs.
 

peter11435

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There was a member posting something about current WDW Pres. Josh D' Amaro and layoffs that occurred at MK. I got with someone who lives in Orlando and works at MK. She advised she knows nothing as of now regarding lay-offs.
Not recently. A few months back there were some “heavily encouraged” retirements. But no layoffs.
 

Nottamus

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A little under half the trips I’ve taken to WDW ended up with me getting some kind of cold/head cold/ flu ish thing .

there’s a million ways to get sick in Disney. Surfaces touched by many. Including that fingerprint scanner at the parks! We use a lot of hand sanitizer especially right after scanning

lots of people sneeze or cough into their hands still. Can’t make that change.

I have a trip planned in 4 weeks and will still use hand sanitizer, and I’ll still probably get sick.

Sooo.... have no point in this post.
 

Lilofan

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Not recently. A few months back there were some “heavily encouraged” retirements. But no layoffs.
Got it. I have worked in situations that older staff with many years in company were targeted and escorted out the door and not allowed to say their goodbyes. Then we just got more responsibilities given to us since there would be no replacements who got walked out the door.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

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There was a member posting something about current WDW Pres. Josh D' Amaro and layoffs that occurred at MK. I got with someone who lives in Orlando and works at MK. She advised she knows nothing as of now regarding lay-offs.

It would be too soon. They would have to start to see a big Whole in the forecasting before they start slashing payroll and/or rolling out sales.

I can only postulate based on my 9/11 experience in the swamp:

A virus epidemic - even if significant - may not be a direct impact to the Disney parks. People would be fearful of contracting an illness...but I don’t think it would move the needle as much as the doomsdayers would say.

In 2001...especially on the eastern seaboard...the euphoria was almost literally that people thought planes were going to start falling out of the sky. It was insane then and now. Then the economic crunch rolled in (it was bad before - actually).

The problem - potentially - is China. The economic disruption is a huge developing story. It looks like the Chinese have been cooking their books quite substantially. So it’s not just a matter of closed overseas parks and supply chain disruptions. American companies who are in bed with them - ahem - are going to be crushed if the dive doesn’t level off.

When there is a recession - which are more like crashes now that we gamble with everything like it’s the nfl now - travel gets crushed.
People always say they wont panic and make it worse in a recession...they just never hold to it and always do.

This week could be big...either way. A bounce or a confirmation that we are in the economic cycle again. Disney shares lost 17% so far I believe? The investors will panic too.
 
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Sirwalterraleigh

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Got it. I have worked in situations that older staff with many years in company were targeted and escorted out the door and not allowed to say their goodbyes. Then we just got more responsibilities given to us since there would be no replacements who got walked out the door.
That’s the “capitalism” that is so lauded when they roll out new upsells or ticket increases.

That the top down philosphy that is no longer negotiable. The baby is fuzed with the bathwater. Can’t have it both ways.

Sorry to get ideological...now back to dust masks and bleach wipes 🤪
 

Piebald

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People are straying off topic again. I was also guilty of same earlier, but will try to get people back on point this time. I know it's difficult to discuss the impact on WDW without discussing the economy as a whole - especially the stock market, but please try. Thank you.

Has anyone seen any specific instances, such as lay-offs, decreased number of guests, people wearing masks and gloves, etc?
At WDW? It was busy as hell yesterday. Didnt see anything different whatsoever.

Did see Expedia laid off 12% of their workforce.
 

marni1971

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Has anyone seen any specific instances, such as lay-offs, decreased number of guests, people wearing masks and gloves, etc?
Plans are now formulated for a closure of one or both US parks. Paris is following government advice and taking precautions (hand sanitizers are out on every shop counter, in restaurants etc.)

Theres a lot of meetings happening quite a lot.

We're due to visit Paris very soon. Right now I’m hoping for the best and assuming the worst.
 
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