Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[DisneyCane]

Who just said 14.7 million world wide.
A couple things to consider: 15,000,000 with modern medicine is pretty consequential

And 1 in 15 in the United States is much more indicative of a failure than we will ever accept.

US is around 4.25% of the global population. 6.8% of REPORTED COVID deaths doesn't seem out of line. There are large countries who are almost guaranteed to be significantly underreporting.

The obesity rate in the US (and related medical issues) has much more to do with whatever the disproportionate share is than any "failure."

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

US is around 4.25% of the global population. 6.8% of REPORTED COVID deaths doesn't seem out of line. There are large countries who are almost guaranteed to be significantly underreporting.

The obesity rate in the US (and related medical issues) has much more to do with whatever the disproportionate share is than any "failure."

Thanks, Bill Maher…

The point is when you are the wealthiest country on the planet by 10 nautical miles…you should be better at protecting your own on a level above “proportional”

But keep parsing which failures to blame

 

[DisneyCane]

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25.6% of whom were 85 years old or older
51.4% of whom were 75 years old or older
74.4% of whom were 65 years old or older

0.1% of whom were the the high risk 17 and under age group.

 

[drizgirl]

25.6% of whom were 85 years old or older
51.4% of whom were 75 years old or older
74.4% of whom were 65 years old or older

0.1% of whom were the the high risk 17 and under age group.

Which is a very pertinent data point in the case of a virus that kills more old people than young. It’s entirely possible that more advanced countries have done a better job at keeping old people alive up to this point.

 

[LittleBuford]

25.6% of whom were 85 years old or older
51.4% of whom were 75 years old or older
74.4% of whom were 65 years old or older

0.1% of whom were the the high risk 17 and under age group.

I’m not sure how my earlier reply to you fell foul of the rules, so let me try another approach.

For many of us, these statistics do not make the death toll any less of a tragedy. I’ll leave it at that.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I’m not sure how my earlier reply to you fell foul of the rules, so let me try another approach.

For many of us, these statistics do not make the death toll any less of a tragedy. I’ll leave it at that.

That’s probably my fault…I often take down bystanders in my “brutal honestly” tirades.

Sorry about that, have a good weekend, dude/dudette

 

[LittleBuford]

That’s probably my fault…I often take done bystanders in my “brutal honestly” tirades.

Sorry about that, have a good weekend, dude/dudette

I'm a dude.

Hope you have a great weekend too!

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I'm a dude.

Hope you have a great weekend too!

I thought so…but I get that wrong ALL the time around here

 

[BuddyThomas]

25.6% of whom were 85 years old or older
51.4% of whom were 75 years old or older
74.4% of whom were 65 years old or older

0.1% of whom were the the high risk 17 and under age group.

What freaking difference does it make how old they are?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!! They were your fellow human beings.

 

[drizgirl]

What freaking difference does it make how old they are?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!! They were your fellow human beings.

It’s a critical part of explaining why our death rates are higher than some other countries.

 

[BuddyThomas]

It’s critical part of explaining why our death rates are higher than some other countries.

I was unaware that older human beings do not exist outside of the United States. Thanks for the lesson, as always.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Could also be genetic

Yep…one out of 330 had the “47th chromosome”

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

It's a possible explanation for why the US lost more people. Because there were more old people here, and they were the most vulnerable population.

It could be a small factor but I’m not seeing a direct correlation.

Florida has the largest elderly population (20% over 65) but is 19th in Covid deaths per capita (344 per 100,000).

Utah has the smallest elderly population (11% over 65) but is 47th in death rate (148 per 100,000).

Mississippi has the highest Covid death rate (418 per 100,000) but is 31st oldest (15% over 65).

Hawaii has the lowest Covid death rate (100 per 100,000) but is 8th oldest (18%).

Looking at various factors the ones that jump out are poverty rates and obesity rates. The 5 worst death rates (Mississippi, Arizona, Oklahoma, Alabama, and Tennessee) are all high on the percent living in poverty list (Mississippi 1st, Arizona 14th) and high on the obesity list (4 of the worst 7, Arizona being the exception at 30th), compare that to the 5 best death rates (Hawaii, Vermont, Utah, Washington, and Maine) and they are low (Utah 49th, Maine 30th) on the % poverty list and low on the obesity list (4 of the best 12, Maine being the exception at 28th).

Poverty seems to be the biggest factor, likely because it leads to worse overall health, but even though there’s some evidence they are bigger factors they’re still not a direct correlation. Too many factors at work to pinpoint one or two alone.

 

[Lilofan]

It could be a small factor but I’m not seeing a direct correlation.

Florida has the largest elderly population (20% over 65) but is 19th in Covid deaths per capita (344 per 100,000).

Utah has the smallest elderly population (11% over 65) but is 47th in death rate (148 per 100,000).

Mississippi has the highest Covid death rate (418 per 100,000) but is 31st oldest (15% over 65).

Hawaii has the lowest Covid death rate (100 per 100,000) but is 8th oldest (18%).

Looking at various factors the ones that jump out are poverty rates and obesity rates. The 5 worst death rates (Mississippi, Arizona, Oklahoma, Alabama, and Tennessee) are all high on the percent living in poverty list (Mississippi 1st, Arizona 14th) and high on the obesity list (4 of the worst 7, Arizona being the exception at 30th), compare that to the 5 best death rates (Hawaii, Vermont, Utah, Washington, and Maine) and they are low (Utah 49th, Maine 30th) on the % poverty list and low on the obesity list (4 of the best 12, Maine being the exception at 28th).

Poverty seems to be the biggest factor, likely because it leads to worse overall health, but even though there’s some evidence they are bigger factors they’re still not a direct correlation. Too many factors at work to pinpoint one or two alone.

For HI, the islands were blessed with the world's biggest moat ( Pacific Ocean ) and governor issued lockdowns to have the lowest covid death rate.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It could be a small factor but I’m not seeing a direct correlation.

Florida has the largest elderly population (20% over 65) but is 19th in Covid deaths per capita (344 per 100,000).

Utah has the smallest elderly population (11% over 65) but is 47th in death rate (148 per 100,000).

Mississippi has the highest Covid death rate (418 per 100,000) but is 31st oldest (15% over 65).

Hawaii has the lowest Covid death rate (100 per 100,000) but is 8th oldest (18%).

Looking at various factors the ones that jump out are poverty rates and obesity rates. The 5 worst death rates (Mississippi, Arizona, Oklahoma, Alabama, and Tennessee) are all high on the percent living in poverty list (Mississippi 1st, Arizona 14th) and high on the obesity list (4 of the worst 7, Arizona being the exception at 30th), compare that to the 5 best death rates (Hawaii, Vermont, Utah, Washington, and Maine) and they are low (Utah 49th, Maine 30th) on the % poverty list and low on the obesity list (4 of the best 12, Maine being the exception at 28th).

Poverty seems to be the biggest factor, likely because it leads to worse overall health, but even though there’s some evidence they are bigger factors they’re still not a direct correlation. Too many factors at work to pinpoint one or two alone.

I appreciate your attempt…but nothing penetrates those shields, Captain Kirk

 

[Dizneykid]

Paying attention is SOOOOO 2020

The tone of this board has certainly changed a lot since I last peaked in two years ago. It was considered evil to enter Disney property even with the massively elaborate safety changes they made. We went summer 2020 and didn't get sick despite no vaccine available yet and 15k Florida cases a day. I believe masks work when worn by everyone but I'm not so opinionated about mandating them further unless it's proven to be of measurable benefit. I get that the vaccine has provided a feeling of much needed comfort but some vaccinated folks are still getting knocked down almost as hard as unvaccinated if not harder in some cases.

I'd rather not get sick on my vacation. I hope one way masking has a benefit. I'm still seeing more healthy trip reports than not including with people that have kids under 5. I hope people cover their mouths when they cough and at least wear a mask if they know they are feeling unwell. That's delusional utopian nonsense I know lol.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The tone of this board has certainly changed a lot since I last peaked in two years ago. It was considered evil to enter Disney property even with the massively elaborate safety changes they made. We went summer 2020 and didn't get sick despite no vaccine available yet and 15k Florida cases a day. I believe masks work when worn by everyone but I'm not so opinionated about mandating them further unless it's proven to be of measurable benefit. I get that the vaccine has provided a feeling of much needed comfort but some vaccinated folks are still getting knocked down almost as hard as unvaccinated if not harder in some cases.

I'd rather not get sick on my vacation. I hope one way masking has a benefit. I'm still seeing more healthy trip reports than not including with people that have kids under 5. I hope people cover their mouths when they cough and at least wear a mask if they know they are feeling unwell. That's delusional utopian nonsense I know lol.

No I’m with you. I didn’t question the mitigation at any time. It was “inconvenient” for most and not “harmful” in any tangible way to most. Not fair for school kids but we can’t entirely control the unknown. I’m sure if you graduated high school in 1939 the world didn’t do you much of a solid either.

But I think we’ll struggle a bit/feel uneasy to a different severity of degree as this moves on. We know we carry it…we know it will be around…to me the vaccines and antivirals can blunt most of the blow moving forward. Until the next mutant shows up.

That doesn’t mean we can or should all be inconsiderate as in circa 2018.

 

[Dizneykid]

No I’m with you. I didn’t question the mitigation at any time. It was “inconvenient” for most and not “harmful” in any tangible way to most. Not fair for school kids but we can’t entirely control the unknown. I’m sure if you graduated high school in 1939 the world didn’t do you much of a solid either.

But I think we’ll struggle a bit/feel uneasy to a different severity of degree as this moves on. We know we carry it…we know it will be around…to me the vaccines and antivirals can blunt most of the blow moving forward. Until the next mutant shows up.

That doesn’t mean we can or should all be inconsiderate sh!ts as in circa 2018.

Agree. Common sense goes a long way. I've always been a little germaphobic anyway. I know that's my cross to bear but any kind of hacking cough sets me into an anxiety spin in enclosed spaces like a bus. We won't be doing buses for a while especially now that they are back to sardine can status. I remember seeing a man sneeze into his shirt (this was before covid) and wanting to gift him a dole whip because it's so rare to see these days. The bar is underground. Avoiding people when you're sick, covering coughs (preferably with your elbow), and hand hygiene. Boom. So simple and it does have a positive effect.

Middle ground is nice haha.

 

[danlb_2000]

The tone of this board has certainly changed a lot since I last peaked in two years ago. It was considered evil to enter Disney property even with the massively elaborate safety changes they made. We went summer 2020 and didn't get sick despite no vaccine available yet and 15k Florida cases a day. I believe masks work when worn by everyone but I'm not so opinionated about mandating them further unless it's proven to be of measurable benefit. I get that the vaccine has provided a feeling of much needed comfort but some vaccinated folks are still getting knocked down almost as hard as unvaccinated if not harder in some cases.

I'd rather not get sick on my vacation. I hope one way masking has a benefit. I'm still seeing more healthy trip reports than not including with people that have kids under 5. I hope people cover their mouths when they cough and at least wear a mask if they know they are feeling unwell. That's delusional utopian nonsense I know lol.

The vaccine provides more the a feeling of comfort, it provides significant protection. Yes, it is not perfect, but you have a much better chance of a better outcome if vaccinated then not.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The vaccine provides more the a feeling of comfort, it provides significant protection. Yes, it is not perfect, but you have a much better chance of a better outcome if vaccinated then not.

Correct. They have done exactly what they are designed/planned to do. Would they have liked for them to kill transmission? Sure…but they were designed to defend the “fort”…which is your body.

The problem is people talk first/most and study not nearly enough…so they claim outrage when not given something that never was promised.

They all thought they could go to church on Easter 2020 and then swing by a Roman style orgy on their way to magic kingdom to ride space mountain and watch the electrical parade.

I mean…why wouldn’t they? Priorities.