Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[DisneyCane]

What a lame list of guidelines. "Consider" this, "consider" that... I mean we're not going to mandate anything or help you but really, just consider it, mkay? We wouldn't want you infecting people. Thanks! LYLAG KIT OVER SUMMER!!! <3 State of Georgia

I've bolded the requirements parts.

Limit people in shops/salons: Salons/shops should consider seeing clients by appointment only. Salons/shops should consider telephonic or online scheduling. Limit the number of persons in the waiting area of the salon/shop. It is recommended that clients wait outside the salon/shop in their vehicle until the cosmetologist or barber is ready to serve them. It is recommended that persons not being serviced in the salon/shop wait outside the salon/shop.

Maintain social distancing: Spacing between persons in the salon should be at least six feet at all times. Salons/shops should consider additional spacing between booths, divider shields, and/or alternate work schedules.

Use of personal protective equipment and best practices: Salon/shop employees will be required to wear masks at all times. Salons may want to consider providing masks to clients. Clients should wear face masks to the extent possible while receiving services. Salons/shops should also make use of face shields, gloves, disposable or re-washable capes, smocks, neck strips, etc. These items should be disinfected or disposed of between each client. Employees should arrive at the salon/shop showered and wearing clean clothing and change clothes before leaving the salon/shop each day. Handwashing with soap and warm water, for a minimum of 20 seconds will be required by employees between every client service.

 

[lilypgirl]

There will be a big announcement this Friday from the Varsity Cheer co. and USASF about their big competitions both usually held in Disney. They are said to be announcing if and when it will now happen . Rumors are it's going to mid June and at Disney.

 

[GoofGoof]

It's also hard to get adults to wear masks and observe social distancing. People don't want to lose their freedoms, after all.

Good point, but if a pit boss in a Vegas casino yells at some guy at the craps table for not wearing a mask it’s an amusing distraction at best. If a CM at the front gate to the Magic Kingdom does the same thing to a kid it’s a viral video and some terrible PR.

“Vegas opening” is not really happening yet anyways. There is a casino an hour away from me, if all I want to do is a little gambling I can go there. I go to Vegas to ride the monorail, see the shows, browse the shops, eat the food, watch the nighttime shows at mirage and Bellagio etc. (pretty much the same as Disney for me!). So until all that opens up again I have no interest.

I think national parks will be a good place to visit when they open up.

A of that will not be back in Vegas right away. Their limited opening is for hotel rooms, casinos and restaurants. The shops will likely be open too.

 

[Parker in NYC]

Then Disney shouldn’t reopen. Because they know where the bread is buttered and it isn’t from sparsely populated areas without large cities. The facts are the facts.

But big cities are overcrowded and dangerous!

 

[Roy G. Dis]

I've bolded the requirements parts.

Limit people in shops/salons: Salons/shops should consider seeing clients by appointment only. Salons/shops should consider telephonic or online scheduling. Limit the number of persons in the waiting area of the salon/shop. It is recommended that clients wait outside the salon/shop in their vehicle until the cosmetologist or barber is ready to serve them. It is recommended that persons not being serviced in the salon/shop wait outside the salon/shop.

Maintain social distancing: Spacing between persons in the salon should be at least six feet at all times. Salons/shops should consider additional spacing between booths, divider shields, and/or alternate work schedules.

Use of personal protective equipment and best practices: Salon/shop employees will be required to wear masks at all times. Salons may want to consider providing masks to clients. Clients should wear face masks to the extent possible while receiving services. Salons/shops should also make use of face shields, gloves, disposable or re-washable capes, smocks, neck strips, etc. These items should be disinfected or disposed of between each client. Employees should arrive at the salon/shop showered and wearing clean clothing and change clothes before leaving the salon/shop each day. Handwashing with soap and warm water, for a minimum of 20 seconds will be required by employees between every client service.

"Should" is not the same thing as "will be required to". Yeah, I "should" have done that, but, well... [excuse].

So when we take out the "shoulds" what do we have left...

This is clearly worded to avoid any sort of real policing-of or punishment-for-violating these suggestions.

 

[Parker in NYC]

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

So the state plan is to skip phase 1 and just jump right to phase 2? They need to open some things up slowly and then wait to see how that works out before jumping right to broader openings. Also, the decision to open WDW lies in the hands of a few execs in CA who run the company. It doesn’t matter how bad CMs in Florida want it open or park fans or the governor of Florida.

Whoever wrote that rumor is full of it...

I’m not blaming the messenger...but none of that makes any damn sense

 

[DisneyCane]

"Should" is not the same thing as "will be required to". Yeah, I "should" have done that, but, well... [excuse].

So when we take out the "shoulds" what do we have left...

This is clearly worded to avoid any sort of real policing-of or punishment-for-violating these suggestions.

Here is the link to the complete guidelines which begin with the following paragraph:

"In light of the COVID-19 pandemic, the Georgia State Board of Cosmetologists and Barbers recommends reopening barber and cosmetology salons and shops with the following strict guidelines in order to protect the safety of clients and employees. The recommendations should be used in conjunction with the board rules for safety and sanitation that are currently in place. Keep in mind that these guidelines will be in effect during the period of the COVID-19 pandemic and may be adjusted as necessary, and they will be reduced when safe to do so. Upon inspection, if any salon or shop is found in violation of these guidelines, they may be closed immediately by public health officials or the board."

https://sos.ga.gov/PLB/acrobat/Forms/28 Safety Guidelines for Return to Work - COVID19.pdf

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Add to that no kids. Adults can be asked to wear masks and observe social distancing. It’s hard to get kids to.

However a significant amount of casino customers are imbibing...creating a different problem...


Yes...even more than at Epcot

 

[sndral]

APs are all over the place! Why pick that group?

You could pick DVC too and that doesn’t make any sense.

The only “test” Group to pick is one based on geography or income/expenditure ratio.

That’s not gonna be APs.

It makes sense from a business perspective to do select for income/expense ratio, but how do you do that lawfully?
I have an AP. Every day WDW is closed extends how long my AP will be valid. If the park opens for AP only, then I assume those automatic extensions would end. I think I read that WDW had stopped taking monthly AP payments, if the park opens to AP only then I assume those payments would resume. So opening to APs resumes the income flow from payment plans and stops the extensions so people will need to renew sooner. I don’t know how big a piece of the pie the AP demographic is, but that’s one reason I can think of to reopen to AP only. Plus, it’s one way to limit the number of people who can visit the parks.
I do not live in Florida, so if the park is open to APs but Florida is closed to residents of my state thus barring me from using that AP, should my AP auto extensions continue until I can visit the parks?
Regarding restricting travel from other states - a state government can do so for health and safety https://blog.harvardlawreview.org/contagion-and-the-right-to-travel/ but a private business isn’t a state, thus if the plan is to ban visitors from other states, my sense is that the state of Florida would need to do so along the lines of a quarantine for out of state residents. There’s no precedent for banning out of state visitors from one state but not another that I’m aware of, so that’s an interesting constitutional question.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I hate to say this but people die. We will ALL die. That is just a fact of life. People need to be INFORMED of the risks and what WDW/all businesses are doing to try to provide a safer environment and then let people CHOOSE if they want to go. The same thing will apply to the employees. Provide them the gear they need and the ability to CHOOSE if they want to work. If they don't want to come in they can find another job and WDW can hire someone else who is comfortable with working under those conditions.

Let's all be VERY careful about giving away our freedoms. I'm not saying that we shouldn't do this smartly or with scientific facts. The fact is we need to start opening up businesses in the areas where it makes sense. I live in NJ so I don't expect things to open up for a bit near me but other states/counties should be able to make decisions. I know others have complained that with Georgia opening up then people from other states would come in. I don't think that will be the case for people who are in a hotspot and those states/counties should make an effort to prevent that from happening.

This should be a measured approach and done on the local level. Each area is in a different stage and as we move through this we will need to stay informed.

Public health requires a unified approach...hence why the policies are being formulated that way.

A company like Disney can’t operate a mass entertainment relying on “local” policy. The buck stops with them. They are also not “local” destinations.

They won’t trust Hazzard County...nor would I...Nor should you.

 

[hopemax]

Here is the link to the complete guidelines which begin with the following paragraph:

"In light of the COVID-19 pandemic, the Georgia State Board of Cosmetologists and Barbers recommends reopening barber and cosmetology salons and shops with the following strict guidelines in order to protect the safety of clients and employees. The recommendations should be used in conjunction with the board rules for safety and sanitation that are currently in place. Keep in mind that these guidelines will be in effect during the period of the COVID-19 pandemic and may be adjusted as necessary, and they will be reduced when safe to do so. Upon inspection, if any salon or shop is found in violation of these guidelines, they may be closed immediately by public health officials or the board."

https://sos.ga.gov/PLB/acrobat/Forms/28 Safety Guidelines for Return to Work - COVID19.pdf

That's all well and good, but in Washington State, there are now two counties "going rogue." Including the county that had the first official case, and the 2nd highest number of cases in the state overall. They've declared, on their own, that the Governor's mandates are unconstitutional. The Sheriffs in those counties are publicly stating they will not enforce any order keeping a business closed. The Health Department can say whatever it wants but if law enforcement won't back them up then nothing happens. The board could even pull licenses, and our new cadre of freedom fighters will still show up for liberty haircuts.

I expect other "enlightened" county commissioners and sheriffs will join these crusaders of liberty. It's reason #142 on my list today, on why my entire outlook is, "We are so screwed."

I'll be here on my couch with the previously mentioned cookies, gummi bears, chips, hostess, brownies and ice cream.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It makes sense from a business perspective to do select for income/expense ratio, but how do you do that lawfully?
I have an AP. Every day WDW is closed extends how long my AP will be valid. If the park opens for AP only, then I assume those automatic extensions would end. I think I read that WDW had stopped taking monthly AP payments, if the park opens to AP only then I assume those payments would resume. So opening to APs resumes the income flow from payment plans and stops the extensions so people will need to renew sooner. I don’t know how big a piece of the pie the AP demographic is, but that’s one reason I can think of to reopen to AP only. Plus, it’s one way to limit the number of people who can visit the parks.
I do not live in Florida, so if the park is open to APs but Florida is closed to residents of my state thus barring me from using that AP, should my AP auto extensions continue until I can visit the parks?
Regarding restricting travel from other states - a state government can do so for health and safety https://blog.harvardlawreview.org/contagion-and-the-right-to-travel/ but a private business isn’t a state, thus if the plan is to ban visitors from other states, my sense is that the state of Florida would need to do so along the lines of a quarantine for out of state residents. There’s no precedent for banning out of state visitors from one state but not another that I’m aware of, so that’s an interesting constitutional question.

Very good points...we can delve into the “theoretical” numbers of Disney’s consumer base (I have experience in them...others have contacts That share them...but they are ultimately INTERNAL numbers and only hinted at for mandatory SEC filings occasionally or for directed PR campaigns...so they are not truly public info) as the opening discussion unfold.

Here’s the gist:

Florida residents aren’t enough to make money...neither are APs...neither are DVCs...neither are international travelers.

All are small but significant blocks that contribute to a large pie that MUST be nearly whole to get to the profit threshold...then once they get over the top it’s a gravy train down the other side of the mountain.

But wdw does need critical mass. There’s a huge fallacy being spread on this and other threads Somehow ghost town parks are going to be opened for a select few with happy people and employees in paper masks and Mickey wearing a hazmat suit as he walks around and signs autographs at chef mickeys.

The math doesn’t allow that.


Can’t wait to see what the do to “fix”
This problem?

 

[Longshore_noah]

The available science indicates that outdoor spread isn't really a thing so why are beaches and parks still closed in many areas if we are following the science?

Becaause the science is not totally clear that outdoor spread is not a thing. I am perefctly ready though to entertain the idea that the benefits to society of keeping theses areas open far outweight the possible of chance of infection though.

 

[Roy G. Dis]

In the Official Code of Georgia, the word "should" is used as a directive throughout. Feel free to read some of it if you are bored:

Official Code of Georgia

pot meet kettle

Here's a pretty simple example...

"No person shall operate an electric personal assistive mobility device at a speed greater than seven miles per hour when traveling on any sidewalk or 15 miles per hour elsewhere "

vs:

"Spacing between persons in the salon should be at least six feet at all times. Salons/shops should consider additional spacing between booths, divider shields, and/or alternate work schedules. "

In searching LexisNexis for GA's laws, I saw a lot more shalls than shoulds. Shall implies something more firm. Should doesn't. An interesting read that kind of highlights my thoughts on the different verbiage and the implications.

Anyway, Georgia is capable of writing "shall"; they didn't for this.

 

[Incomudro]

It's also hard to get adults to wear masks and observe social distancing. People don't want to lose their freedoms, after all.

Seems like adults have been doing a far better job at this than I would have expected, for a longer time than I would have expected.

 

[Longshore_noah]

Second, at no time, will the my enjoyment of visiting WDW outweigh even a single person dying. Ever.

By this logic then we should ban all non essential travel.

 

[Parker in NYC]

Seems like adults have been doing a far better job at this than I would have expected, for a longer time than I would have expected.

So, 6 weeks?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

That's all well and good, but in Washington State, there are now two counties "going rogue." Including the county that had the first official case, and the 2nd highest number of cases in the state overall. They've declared, on their own, that the Governor's mandates are unconstitutional. The Sheriffs in those counties are publicly stating they will not enforce any order keeping a business closed. The Health Department can say whatever it wants but if law enforcement won't back them up then nothing happens. The board could even pull licenses, and our new cadre of freedom fighters will still show up for liberty haircuts.

I expect other "enlightened" county commissioners and sheriffs will join these crusaders of liberty. It's reason #142 on my list today, on why my entire outlook is, "We are so screwed."

I'll be here on my couch with the previously mentioned cookies, gummi bears, chips, hostess, brownies and ice cream.

There seems to be a race to see which municipality/state is going to be made an example?

It could work out...might be ok...

Or there could be a flash and breakdown and they all lose their jobs when people get sick.

Heck of a chance to take.

 

[Roy G. Dis]

My lovely neighbors seem to forget social distancing and masks once the temperature rises above 70 degrees and the local trail seems lonely.