Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Sirwalterraleigh]

From an article I was reading, the reason that gas prices haven't dropped at the same rate as oil prices is because the demand is so weak that the gas station owners are increasing their profit margin to make up for lost volume. Lowering the price at this time isn't going to attract more business to the convenience store.

Now here I agree with you. And it’s a good example of where market theory translates 1:1

Perhaps Josh D'Amaro is not in the absolute top echelon of Disney leadership, but I wouldn't call the President of Walt Disney World low on the corporate ladder either.

Everyone below the chairman, ceo and the board are “low” on Disney’s corporate ladder - in reality. Wdw pres overseas a huge complex. But he’s a middle man with little Monetary power on scale.

 

[_caleb]

Yeah of course not. No one ever implied they need your permission to obtain a warrant .

Sorry to have put you out with my utterly ridiculous comment.

I wasn't saying anything about the police needing a subject's permission to obtain a warrant. I was responding to a stream of the conversation where posters were talking about tracking via GPS/bluetooth technologies being a violation of privacy and whether the police routinely sought location info.

The reason this applies to Disney parks is that Disney already has permission to track guests, and authorities don't need your permission to track you (or who you may have been in contact with). Therefore, contact tracing can be done using existing authorities and technologies (MDE, etc.).

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The state of Florida set up roadblocks to prevent people from certain states (northeast) or cities (New Orleans) from entering back in March. Hawaii currently requires non-residents to quarantine for 14 days. It would not surprise me if part of the Florida re-opening plan includes a restriction on out-of-states guests, based on the level of positive test results / death rate of the state.

Then Disney shouldn’t reopen. Because they know where the bread is buttered and it isn’t from sparsely populated areas without large cities. The facts are the facts.

 

[natatomic]

APs are all over the place! Why pick that group?

You could pick DVC too and that doesn’t make any sense.

The only “test” Group to pick is one based on geography or income/expenditure ratio.

That’s not gonna be APs.

Sorry I didnt specify - I was still thinking along the lines of Florida resident AP holders.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Sorry I didnt specify - I was still thinking along the lines of Florida resident AP holders.

As a test group...I could see it. But just for a limited time.

Wdw can’t make any money operating off just Florida. That’s never been the case or close to it.

 

[ItRhymes]

I predict that Disney will open in some limited capacity June 1'st (maybe sooner) through June. Then open it up more in July. Then mostly back to normal by August or September. Massive crowds for the Q4 holidays.

More news outlets are picking up on the stories and data showing this virus has been going around for a lot longer than they thought which in turn pushes the mortality rate far below where it is now.

Open the gates Disney!

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Guess whose Vegas target audience is...?

Vegas has problems too...

But differences are:
1. Not all owned by the same company
2. Much more likely to take on risk to open than TWDC

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Perhaps Josh D'Amaro is not in the absolute top echelon of Disney leadership, but I wouldn't call the President of Walt Disney World low on the corporate ladder either.

Well that’s why I mentioned him and his predecessor George. They are on the corporate ladder, but pretty low. I mean who would be lower?

I also mentioned in a later post that Iger started out at a very low level job at ABC, so I was somewhat wrong with my initial point.

 

[Polynesia]

The state of Florida set up roadblocks to prevent people from certain states (northeast) or cities (New Orleans) from entering back in March. Hawaii currently requires non-residents to quarantine for 14 days. It would not surprise me if part of the Florida re-opening plan includes a restriction on out-of-states guests, based on the level of positive test results / death rate of the state.

I believe Disney will try Florida residents only first. It makes total sense. They’ll be able to get a feel of the flow and make tweaks leading up to larger crowds. When ALL states have declined and meet the criteria to be able to move freely between states is when it should open up to all nationals. I can see them opening up the Caribbean Resort with access to Studios along with the Magic Kingdom with guests being able to walk from the Contempory. These are just my suppositions which are no more accurate than any of the others being posted. Everyone is guessing. We’ll find out when Disney reopens. Very much looking forward to stepping on Disney property again.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Not when at present he reports directly to Bob Chapek

Which point is that making? Are you saying you think Josh is pretty high up the ladder then?

It’s a good thing if he is, I think Josh is great, I thought George was as well.

 

[csmat99]

Why do you quote things without context? My reply was to a post that said there would be legal issues if they prohibited residents of certain states. My response was simply to state that this was not legally correct.

Earlier, there was a discussion about only opening to Florida residents at first. I was in favor of that possibility as I posted that very idea a few days ago. I did not say Disney would or should pick and choose which States people reside in that should be allowed to visit. In my earlier posts from a few days ago I specifically said that it would be an operational nightmare to try and let select state residents visit and the only somewhat manageable option would be Florida residents only.



Just to put some facts into this narrative, here are some of the guidelines that have been released for salons and spas to be allowed to reopen in Georgia:

Limit people in shops/salons: Salons/shops should consider seeing clients by appointment only. Salons/shops should consider telephonic or online scheduling. Limit the number of persons in the waiting area of the salon/shop. It is recommended that clients wait outside the salon/shop in their vehicle until the cosmetologist or barber is ready to serve them. It is recommended that persons not being serviced in the salon/shop wait outside the salon/shop.

Maintain social distancing: Spacing between persons in the salon should be at least six feet at all times. Salons/shops should consider additional spacing between booths, divider shields, and/or alternate work schedules.

Use of personal protective equipment and best practices: Salon/shop employees will be required to wear masks at all times. Salons may want to consider providing masks to clients. Clients should wear face masks to the extent possible while receiving services. Salons/shops should also make use of face shields, gloves, disposable or re-washable capes, smocks, neck strips, etc. These items should be disinfected or disposed of between each client. Employees should arrive at the salon/shop showered and wearing clean clothing and change clothes before leaving the salon/shop each day. Handwashing with soap and warm water, for a minimum of 20 seconds will be required by employees between every client service.

https://www.wrdw.com/content/news/S...spas-and-barbershops-to-reopen-569842501.html

You can't practice social distancing when you are cutting person's hair. You can't wear a mask if you are getting hair cut or they are washing your hair. Also, there is still major issue getting protective equipment. Amazon is selling it but only to medical facilities and doctors. There is no reason to be allowing tattoo and massage parlor's to open period. Hair salon's I can understand but only if these policies are actually enforced.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

From an article I was reading, the reason that gas prices haven't dropped at the same rate as oil prices is because the demand is so weak that the gas station owners are increasing their profit margin to make up for lost volume. Lowering the price at this time isn't going to attract more business to the convenience store.

My understanding is that the companies that produce the gasoline control the prices - not the gas station owners, and that gas station owners have very little control of what the price is. For example...Sally, who owns a Mobil station, doesn't set the price - Mobil does. And they generally only allow a few cents profit per gallon, which is why so many gas stations have convenience stores.

 

[Prince-1]

You are right, they will most likely be open by Memorial Day in May. Florida is already getting close to entering Phase Two of the re-opening plan and and have more than a month to effectively roll out their plans safely. They want and need to get people back to work.

I also think it’s important to remember Disney and Universal have skillfully and very successfully managed hurricane closures with preciseness for many years. While the virus situation is unlike anything we’ve seen, both companies employ people and have entire departments dedicated to disaster planning.

Lol. I will say that there is zero chance for a May opening. And as this is nothing like a hurricane I will confidently say that they did not have a plan to deal with a worldwide pandemic that has closed our entire country. But hey, I do like your wishful thinking.

 

[Roy G. Dis]

You can't practice social distancing when you are cutting person's hair. You can't wear a mask if you are getting hair cut or they are washing your hair. Also, there is still major issue getting protective equipment. Amazon is selling it but only to medical facilities and doctors. There is no reason to be allowing tattoo and massage parlor's to open period. Hair salon's I can understand but only if these policies are actually enforced.

How do you enforce considerations? "Uh yeah, I considered it then was like.. nah."

 

[GoofGoof]

Vegas has problems too...

But differences are:
1. Not all owned by the same company
2. Much more likely to take on risk to open than TWDC

Add to that no kids. Adults can be asked to wear masks and observe social distancing. It’s hard to get kids to.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

From an article I was reading, the reason that gas prices haven't dropped at the same rate as oil prices is because the demand is so weak that the gas station owners are increasing their profit margin to make up for lost volume. Lowering the price at this time isn't going to attract more business to the convenience store.

I get that. That’s the same with most consumer goods. My point was if they didn’t have such a big handle in things gas would be cheaper. It’s tough now because the demand isn’t there.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Add to that no kids. Adults can be asked to wear masks and observe social distancing. It’s hard to get kids to.

“Vegas opening” is not really happening yet anyways. There is a casino an hour away from me, if all I want to do is a little gambling I can go there. I go to Vegas to ride the monorail, see the shows, browse the shops, eat the food, watch the nighttime shows at mirage and Bellagio etc. (pretty much the same as Disney for me!). So until all that opens up again I have no interest.

I think national parks will be a good place to visit when they open up.

 

[csmat99]

You are right, they will most likely be open by Memorial Day in May. Florida is already getting close to entering Phase Two of the re-opening plan and and have more than a month to effectively roll out their plans safely. They want and need to get people back to work.

I also think it’s important to remember Disney and Universal have skillfully and very successfully managed hurricane closures with preciseness for many years. While the virus situation is unlike anything we’ve seen, both companies employ people and have entire departments dedicated to disaster planning.

There is NO chance of Disney opening in May. Zero. This isn't a hurricane. This virus and hurricanes have nothing to do with each other. Someone who does disaster planning does not have skill set to deal with a pandemic. They need experts. You are basically asking a plumber to perform open heart surgery if you think someone who can handle a hurricane can handle this.

 

[Parker in NYC]

Add to that no kids. Adults can be asked to wear masks and observe social distancing. It’s hard to get kids to.

It's also hard to get adults to wear masks and observe social distancing. People don't want to lose their freedoms, after all.

 

[GoofGoof]

You are right, they will most likely be open by Memorial Day in May. Florida is already getting close to entering Phase Two of the re-opening plan and and have more than a month to effectively roll out their plans safely. They want and need to get people back to work.

I also think it’s important to remember Disney and Universal have skillfully and very successfully managed hurricane closures with preciseness for many years. While the virus situation is unlike anything we’ve seen, both companies employ people and have entire departments dedicated to disaster planning.

So the state plan is to skip phase 1 and just jump right to phase 2? They need to open some things up slowly and then wait to see how that works out before jumping right to broader openings. Also, the decision to open WDW lies in the hands of a few execs in CA who run the company. It doesn’t matter how bad CMs in Florida want it open or park fans or the governor of Florida.