Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[havoc315]

Maybe a strong recommendation from Disney to wear them. And then a statement if you fail to adhere to their recommendations the guest is responsible for what may happen? I really have no idea.

So if someone gets Covid and dies... They can sue all the Disney guests that didn't wear a mask?

Remember.... wearing a mask doesn't protect the mask-wearer. Wearing a mask protects everyone the mask-wearer is near.

You may as well say, "people can smoke... but if anyone gets sick from second-hand smoker, they can hold the smoker responsible!"

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

It's not just plastic surgeries...
It's hip replacements, hernia repairs, cardiac catheterizations, lumbar fusions.... anything that is not an absolute emergency.

Yeah I don’t think it’s a good idea to put those off for months at a time. But that’s me.

 

[Phil12]

Why did all the sponsors leave?

Being associated with Disney was once a good thing.

 

[dreday3]

It's not just plastic surgeries...
It's hip replacements, hernia repairs, cardiac catheterizations, lumbar fusions.... anything that is not an absolute emergency.

Let's put it this way --- What good is your dentist's office going to do during a Covid emergency? Or your optometrist?

A big proportion (I would say the majority) of medical providers specialize in manners that are entirely irrelevant to treating Covid.
We need intensivists, ER doctors, pulmonologists, infectious disease specialists...

Those that no how to manage compromised airways, those that can intubate patients, those that specialist in infectious management...

Dermatologists, orthopedists, general practitioners, etc, etc.... They have very little to offer right now. Their patients aren't coming in to the offices. All of their procedures have been re-scheduled.

Well actually those providers have a lot to offer.

At our large hospital system, those providers who's elective surgeries have been postponed were put into a labor pool. They have been redeployed to areas of inpatient services for non-covid patients while the other providers may be busy with the covid patients.

I'm also quite happy to say that our hospital system was quite prepared for the surge, but thankfully that huge surge hasn't come at this time. We are in Chicago.

 

[peter11435]

Being associated with Disney was once a good thing.

And still is

That has nothing to do with it

 

[dreday3]

Yeah I don’t think it’s a good idea to put those off for months at a time. But that’s me.

Yeah, an emergent cardiac cath isn't usually something you put off!

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Yeah I don’t think it’s a good idea to put those off for months at a time. But that’s me.

I’m sure the doctors know best and if needed it’s done. My brother in law had synus surgery yesterday. He had asked if it would be delayed but the doctor said it needed to be done right away.

 

[Phil12]

And still is

That has nothing to do with it

Lots of major companies disagree.

 

[thecouch]

I see florida is fudging the figures. Not counting people who also live in other states
https://www.tampabay.com/news/healt...alFlow&utm_medium=social&utm_content=@TB_Tmes

 

[peter11435]

Lots of major companies disagree.

Incorrect

Thanks for playing

 

[Phil12]

Incorrect

Thanks for playing

Your opinion is noted and rejected by the companies that count.

 

[peter11435]

Your opinion is noted and rejected by the companies that count.

lol

Name one

 

[Phil12]

lol

Name one

Sony

 

[havoc315]

Yeah I don’t think it’s a good idea to put those off for months at a time. But that’s me.

People put off lumbar fusions for years at a time quite often.... turning every other type of pain management while trying to avoid surgery. An extra few weeks doesn’t make a difference. Patients often can walk around with an umbilical hernia for years before having a surgery.

I’m supposed to personally have an upper endoscopy once every 4 years. Making it 4 years+ 2 months isn’t so terrible.

 

[havoc315]

Well actually those providers have a lot to offer.

At our large hospital system, those providers who's elective surgeries have been postponed were put into a labor pool. They have been redeployed to areas of inpatient services for non-covid patients while the other providers may be busy with the covid patients.

I'm also quite happy to say that our hospital system was quite prepared for the surge, but thankfully that huge surge hasn't come at this time. We are in Chicago.

yes, but you’re taking about physicians that are part of the hospital system.

Among most of my hospital clients, the physicians are private attendings. So they can’t be “re-deployed.” They do a rotating call schedule 1-2 times per month for consults, and otherwise just treat their own admitted patients.

and there are shockingly few non-Covid patients. Seems people are sitting at home post-heart attack and post stroke, etc.. to avoid going out to the hospital. And lock down has cut down car accident injuries, workplace injuries, etc.

 

[havoc315]

Yeah, an emergent cardiac cath isn't usually something you put off!

true... that was an extreme example. But I’ve seen even cardiac caths getting slow walked. Obviously if stress test suggests triple vessel disease, I certainly hope they are emergent my getting a cath.

 

[flynnibus]

Does Mayo Clinic do a lot of plastic surgeries?

By asking that.. I assume you missed the point.

The point being that the medical system of more than 70,000 employees do not all do the same thing. Just because one segment is booming, does not mean all segments are. The Mayo Clinic is not just 'a hospital'... It's foundation that does research, education, clinics, and includes a hospital network.

Like the statement says... "The decision to proactively postpone elective patient care was the right one, but it eliminated the majority of our revenue at the same time we are making critical investments to develop and expand testing, conduct research to stop the pandemic and re-align our facilities and care teams to treat COVID-19 patients "

(my emphasis) - It's a private medical company... It has to pay it's bills like everyone else. When all non-covid and non-life threatening work is stopped... that means huge swaths of spaces, specialties, etc all go idle.

In my mind... if we were over-run with Covid patients, we would want other hospitals and clinics up and running 100% in order to be able to handle whatever they can.

And they are trying to do that. But like my simple example showed before... just because your ER and ICU is slammed with patient load.. that doesn't mean your operating rooms are cycling thousands of procedures like they normally would be.. or that your physical therapy staff are booked solid... or that your urology department is doing procedures.. etc etc etc.

A 'hospital' is not a singular thing doing just one activity. And not all capacity is equally usable for covid cases. An Operating Room doesn't add a ton of value when you just need more ICU beds... nor does a MRI suite.. etc etc.

Here's an article that goes into a bit where the projected 3 Billion shortfall is coming from.. and more details on their current load and revenues. https://www.bemidjipioneer.com/news...s-payroll-spending-cuts-for-remainder-of-2020

 

[flynnibus]

Unfortunately, journalism has been reduced to “headline” news only...no one, or at least, only a few, actually report on context, and provide the reader some background on an issue.

In these cases - the information is there... people simply don't read the article or are incapable of digesting it. This isn't a media/journalism problem... this is a people problem. They try to use information they simply haven't put the effort into understanding.

 

[Touchdown]

To anyone who has ever been to Rochester, MN will know that “The Mayo Clinic” is not just a hospital, it’s actually 2 hospitals and multiple clinic buildings. Most surgical procedures occur at Methodist Hospital and medical conditions are treated at St Mary’s, it’s also unique in that most of their patients come from far away, the town has a population of <120k and no one is traveling now. That’s why so many are being furloughed (and don’t forget they have satellite campuses in Phoenix and Jacksonville.)

Also to veer close to the line, treating medical conditions is usually done by hospitals at a loss, surgeries and procedures pay the bills. There is a reason hospitals were included in the stimulus, this outbreak may cause many rural hospitals to close when it is all said and done.

there are many articles online about this topic, here is one of them from CNBC

 

[The Mom]

Again, another discussion which is actually related, somewhat, to the topic (and was interesting to many people) has started to dominate the discussion.
So, I think we can put "the Mayo is laying off people" topic to rest - thank you to those who have added more info to help us understand the decision, and to those who have voiced their concerns. As much as I like the Mayo (my husband has had two joint replacements there) it's time to move on.