Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[havoc315]

Why Disney has a real problem reading:
This from within an article in today's New York Times:

"Another California man died after going to Orlando for a conference and then to a packed Disney World. Two people went to Disney and later got relatives sick in Florida and Georgia.”

I've seen people complain that Disney will face bad PR if they exclude people with fevers, they will ruin vacations if they make people wear masks.

But imagine the deadly publicity if the newspaper headlines in October are "New Wave of Pandemic Traced to Disney World, hundreds of Disney guests spread coronavirus across the country."

 

[havoc315]

I don’t know that they all are overrun. Even the ship and tent hospitals in New York were very underutilized. Only a few hundred patients were moved to them. When I saw that tonight I was surprised. Maybe someone can explain this.

1. Enough extra capacity was built, for bad case scenarios.... so that (fortunately) we built too much, not too little.
2. ALL elective services were cancelled, which is 50%+ of a regular hospital population. Even for many non-elective ailments, people are suffering at home for fear of going out. "OWWW.. I think I had a heart attack... I should go to the hospital.. but I'll go lie down instead"
3. ICUs are overrun, though finally just starting to overrun. Pulmonary services, ERs, are overrun. But, for example, the entire orthopedic wing is empty, at least with no orthopedic patients.

 

[thecouch]

Aussie government hinted today that overseas travel for tourist will be unlikely this year and maybe into next year. I think when the parks do start to reopen there won't be many overseas guest with restrictions from there own countries and from the USA for overseas travellers

 

[GoofGoof]

A legit question.... if our hospitals are at the point of being over run... why is Mayo Clinic furloughing workers? I don’t think I understand. I’ve heard the hospitals around me are cutting hours too...

Most hospitals have cancelled elective surgeries and most regular office visits. The people furloughed aren’t doctors and nurses who could be used in the ER or ICU they are support staff for the areas not currently taking patients.

 

[flynnibus]

A legit question.... if our hospitals are at the point of being over run... why is Mayo Clinic furloughing workers? I don’t think I understand. I’ve heard the hospitals around me are cutting hours too...

because of the kind of work being done... And the complete devoid of everything else.

to make a simple example... imagine you are a plastic surgeon... hows business right now do you think?

if you read the article on the Mayo Clinic it explains why...

 

[GoofGoof]

I don’t know that they all are overrun. Even the ship and tent hospitals in New York were very underutilized. Only a few hundred patients were moved to them. When I saw that tonight I was surprised. Maybe someone can explain this.

The ships were brought in to divert non Covid-19 patients from the hospitals. Because elective surgeries are cancelled, auto accidents are way down and even crime is down significantly there are less non-Covid patients to treat. Thats why they actually started converting some of that space to treat infectious disease.

 

[GoofGoof]

because of the kind of work being done... And the complete devoid of everything else.

to make a simple example... imagine you are a plastic surgeon... hows business right now do you think?

if you read the article on the Mayo Clinic it explains why...

Mayo also does a lot of research and clinical trials. For non-terminal patients I would assume the last place anyone suffering from a chronic illness would want to be is a hospital right now.

 

[flynnibus]

I don’t know that they all are overrun. Even the ship and tent hospitals in New York were very underutilized. Only a few hundred patients were moved to them. When I saw that tonight I was surprised. Maybe someone can explain this.

read the stories not just the headlines

the ships were brought in to be able to have safe havens away from covid19 for people who needed care. Not just be overflow hospitals

 

[Lilofan]

Most hospitals have cancelled elective surgeries and most regular office visits. The people furloughed aren’t doctors and nurses who could be used in the ER or ICU they are support staff for the areas not currently taking patients.

And with plastic surgery normally not covered by company health insurance and millions of people now unemployed, that plastic surgery procedure probably won't be happening.

 

[GoofGoof]

And with plastic surgery normally not covered by company health insurance and millions of people now unemployed, that plastic surgery procedure probably won't be happening.

True. It’s a lot of other specialties too. My mom had a knee replacement a few years back and aside from the orthopedic surgeon and nurses involved in the surgery itself theres a lot of people involved with physical therapy and all the care after surgery. Those types of procedures are on hold for now too.

 

[havoc315]

And with plastic surgery normally not covered by company health insurance and millions of people now unemployed, that plastic surgery procedure probably won't be happening.

It's not just nose jobs. Knee replacements, back fusions, hip replacements, cardiac catheterizations, cervical diskectomies. Even things like hernia repairs. Regular office visits are being delayed or switched to quick tele-conference visits -- dermatology follow-ups, blood pressure checks, etc. Non-emergent imaging -- MRIs, CT scans, being pushed back.
More than 50% of surgeries at most hospitals are scheduled surgeries in advance. Most of those are being pushed back.

 

[hopemax]

I’m on my phone and can’t copy & paste but the IRS tweeted they started direct depositing the CARE stimulus funds.

 

[John Hendershot]

I don’t know that they all are overrun. Even the ship and tent hospitals in New York were very underutilized. Only a few hundred patients were moved to them. When I saw that tonight I was surprised. Maybe someone can explain this.

Understood! Thanks for that

 

[DVCakaCarlF]

read the stories not just the headlines

Unfortunately, journalism has been reduced to “headline” news only...no one, or at least, only a few, actually report on context, and provide the reader some background on an issue.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

because of the kind of work being done... And the complete devoid of everything else.

to make a simple example... imagine you are a plastic surgeon... hows business right now do you think?

if you read the article on the Mayo Clinic it explains why...

Does Mayo Clinic do a lot of plastic surgeries?

In my mind... if we were over-run with Covid patients, we would want other hospitals and clinics up and running 100% in order to be able to handle whatever they can.

I don’t work in the medical field though so maybe I don’t understand how it works.

 

[GoofGoof]

Does Mayo Clinic do a lot of plastic surgeries?

In my mind... if we were over-run with Covid patients, we would want other hospitals and clinics up and running 100% in order to be able to handle whatever they can.

I don’t work in the medical field though so maybe I don’t understand how it works.

Not everyone who works in a hospital is trained or skilled to work in an ER or an ICU with an infectious disease. For example someone who is a physical therapist who works with patients who have a hip or knee replacement isn’t qualified to be a doctor or nurse in the ER, same as the receptionist at a doctor’s office or someone who does billing for elective surgeries. The employees furloughed aren’t doctors and nurses who can help with the current situation.

 

[natatomic]

I don’t know whether or not Disney will require people to wear masks when they reopen, but if they do, we all know most children under the age of, probably, six or so will have a hard time keeping them on all day and you can forget about a child under 2 keeping them on. Not to mention, it’s actually very dangerous for children under two to wear masks.

Mask Safety 101: Why You Shouldn’t Mask a Baby

As the coronavirus pandemic evolves, so do the recommendations. One of the most recent recommendations by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is to wear “cloth face coverings in public settings where other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain.”

www.nationwidechildrens.org

So what do you think Disney would do? Make masks mandatory but not allow in children under a certain age? Which would just be ridiculous for Disney, of all places! Or make it mandatory for everyone over a certain age, but then wouldn’t that defeat the purpose? Or not require them at all but just highly recommend them?

 

[Polynesia]

I don’t know whether or not Disney will require people to wear masks when they reopen, but if they do, we all know most children under the age of, probably, six or so will have a hard time keeping them on all day and you can forget about a child under 2 keeping them on. Not to mention, it’s actually very dangerous for children under two to wear masks.

Mask Safety 101: Why You Shouldn’t Mask a Baby

As the coronavirus pandemic evolves, so do the recommendations. One of the most recent recommendations by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is to wear “cloth face coverings in public settings where other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain.”

www.nationwidechildrens.org

So what do you think Disney would do? Make masks mandatory but not allow in children under a certain age? Which would just be ridiculous for Disney, of all places! Or make it mandatory for everyone over a certain age, but then wouldn’t that defeat the purpose? Or not require them at all but just highly recommend them?

Maybe a strong recommendation from Disney to wear them. And then a statement if you fail to adhere to their recommendations the guest is responsible for what may happen? I really have no idea.

 

[easyrowrdw]

Well, the problem is the specifics. This week, care facilities nationwide are showing themselves to still be a problem area. Many areas are seeing higher numbers within this specific communities. Given FL's senior population, they can't afford to have a blind spot here. Delays in test results from care facility patients & employees, put more people at risk, because you can't tell everyone to self-quarantine. Patients still require care, staff still needs to provide care. You need to know, asap, which employees are positive, even though they are pre-symtomatic so they have less opportunity to infect additional employees and patients. Which patients staff need to be super careful with, because they are positive and you don't want to infect yourself.

Micro vs macro again, it doesn't really help the people sitting on a possible hot spot, even if the trend of the community as a whole is improving.

Ah, gotcha. When you mentioned the peak I thought you were speaking more to the overall trend. I see how having a higher number to deal with in an area is an issue.

 

[havoc315]

Does Mayo Clinic do a lot of plastic surgeries?

In my mind... if we were over-run with Covid patients, we would want other hospitals and clinics up and running 100% in order to be able to handle whatever they can.

I don’t work in the medical field though so maybe I don’t understand how it works.

It's not just plastic surgeries...
It's hip replacements, hernia repairs, cardiac catheterizations, lumbar fusions.... anything that is not an absolute emergency.

Let's put it this way --- What good is your dentist's office going to do during a Covid emergency? Or your optometrist?

A big proportion (I would say the majority) of medical providers specialize in manners that are entirely irrelevant to treating Covid.
We need intensivists, ER doctors, pulmonologists, infectious disease specialists...

Those that no how to manage compromised airways, those that can intubate patients, those that specialist in infectious management...

Dermatologists, orthopedists, general practitioners, etc, etc.... They have very little to offer right now. Their patients aren't coming in to the offices. All of their procedures have been re-scheduled.