Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Lilofan]

Seriously? You pulled out THAT ancient trope?
Just, ewww.


WDW has a number of things going for it, but the problems I listed are well known and long standing.

When was the last time you saw a CM get in someone's face for dropping litter or even blatant line cutting?

CM's just don't do that. Like ever. On any of my many visits to WDW.



Well, okay...the First Order CM's, Cindy's step mom, the Stepsisters and the 50's PT staff, are allowed to get in people's faces a little bit -in character.

Maybe when WDW reopens they will have a new property-wide Celebration!

The First Order has taken over ALL of WDW! (That'd be a good way to explain the new clear plastic face masks!)

Otherwise, well, just try to imagine CM's trying to get WDW's customers to maintain social distancing ALL DAY LONG.

WDW's customers.

The people who regularly ask, "What time is the 3 o'clock parade?"

Amazing with all your concerns you still CHOOSE to go. Enjoy your next visit, we know we will!

 

[thomas998]

Things picking right back up where they left off seems like the worst case scenario. Many people will have already had the virus and shown symptoms plus those that have had the virus but, as you say, were asymptomatic. I expect people will be more cautious as well. We will also have a healthcare system that presumably has more resources than they did when this started and is more prepared to deal with the cases that are present. That's to say nothing of potential medicinal approaches to treat those with the virus.

None of these is a cure-all or even a given. But each seems like a potential mitigator against a repeat of what we've seen over the last month. At least that's what I'm hoping.

You will have more ventilators, probably so many that they will end up selling lots in surplus sales in another year or two... but look at NYC and tell me how anything is going to change simply because you have more ventilators... The number of hospital beds isn't going to change from this, so you would still end up having to repurpose building for sick people if the virus started making a come back, and that is what will happen when the people stop the social distancing.

China has already had to deal with some flair ups and they are much more capable of locking things down than the US is. While I don't like to think that my last trip to Disney might be the last one for a very long time, the reality is it probably will be whether I want to do again or not because the government isn't going to be so stupid as to go back to business as usual until there is a vaccine.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

I understand the money Disney is losing but opening to soon, even in a limited fashion is a mistake for so many reasons. Amusement parks with thousands of people need to be a bit cautious as we move along.
People were guessing a middle of March opening.. then it went to April first. Then may first was the next guess followed by probably mid May. Now it seems to be not until June first. I think it will be longer and shouldn’t be rushed until we have good control, whatever that actually means.

 

[jmp85]

My comment was in reference to the number of entry points. The other poster said they wouldn’t have virus checks entering the parks because there are many other entry points (resorts, Disney Springs, etc).

I was referring to the fact that I could visit Disney Springs and then hop a bus to the parks. I'm now sharing all my germs with the healthy folks on the bus. If I hopped a bus from Disney Springs to the parks with a gun, yeah, I'd have a tough time with metal detectors.

 

[TrojanUSC]

Have you not seen what unmagical things people endure for the magical vacation? The crowds? The wait? The heat? The storms? The cranky kids?

If someone have a fever and the only way they can get into a park is with a swab and a 15 wait for results, they'd let you put that swab.... anywhere.

Of course but there is a big difference between a storm and Disney forcing a swab down someone's nose. It also doesn't change the act that it's simply not feasible to do it to everyone. Without that, every day of their stay, there is no real safety effect since most spreaders are asymptotic.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Social distancing will not work at Disney. Just look at the logistics of how much space is required to follow even the basic 6 foot distance which is also being questioned as not being far enough. Your ferries will no longer shuttle 600 people a trip it will be cut down to about 30 people. Now realize lots of attractions simply cannot be run if you want to maintain guest safety, Tiki Room would be able to have may a dozen guests per show. Pirate of the Caribbean would have maybe enough room for 2 guests one in the front and one in the back... Haunted mansion is 1 guest per car and then of course how do you clean each car after the previous riders get out? And how pray tell would you do any meet and greet, you want a worker to allow some potential infected guest to go hugging on him?

Why not explain how social distancing can work in the park, because I see no way that it really can be implemented in a park unless you only let maybe a 1000 guests in per day and you can't jsutify the cost of operating the park for such a small number.

And restaurants.. not real magical if waiters and guests still need to wear masks. Can a waitress or waiter even take your order from 6 feet without yelling and wearing a mask?

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

My take is that when WDW opens they'll probably go a bit overboard. Combination of PR, liability, guest safety etc. We may see some drastic measures at first. But if it gets people comfortable with visiting, then probably worth it. When things settle down a bit - be it a month, 6 months, a year (whenever that may be) - I think it comes down to the individual's own risk assessment.

 

[flynnibus]

In effect, they'd be discrimating based on medical conditions. That's not generally permissible. Typically companies need a job-related reason to make employees submit to a medical exam. Not sure where customers fit in to those protections.

They are completely separate topics. Employment protections under the ADA are an entirely different section from "Public Accommodations".

The ADA protects against discrimination of DISABILITIES - things that "substantially limits one or more major life activities" -- getting the flu for a week is not a disability.

Employers have an obligation to keep a safe workplace if an employee is known to have a communicable disease.

 

[zengoth]

With Disney, what does that do to multiple parks. You check in and get tested. Then get to the MK early afternoon and get tested again. Then park hop to Epcot early evening and get tested again. Then dip out of International Gateway for a meal at Yachtsman for another test. And then go back in through IG.

It's crazy, even if they could do it. Not to say that they won't

To gain admission to Disney, you'll need both a doctor's note as well as signing a waiver not to blame the park if you get sick. All kept on your magic band along with your security clearance, next of kin and food allergies.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

What is the value of a human life? The reality is there have been some large companies put out of business because their business resulted in a few deaths, think the little buckyball magnets that got banned because a handful of kids would get injured from sticking them in their mouths and eating them...

Actually, Buckeyballs are back.
I think they just come with a warning label now.

Mind, that isn't to say there aren't thousands of recalls every year for baby products, but I think many are voluntary.

It is interesting the way we allow some risky products, but not others. Is there any restriction on who can buy a power saw?

 

[flynnibus]

With Disney, what does that do to multiple parks. You check in and get tested. Then get to the MK early afternoon and get tested again. Then park hop to Epcot early evening and get tested again. Then dip out of International Gateway for a meal at Yachtsman for another test. And then go back in through IG.

It's crazy, even if they could do it. Not to say that they won't

What if Disney were to reimagine the Disney Bubble...

What if the parks were to open and only allow guests from Disney resorts? And what if everyone were to get screened at checkin? You check-in at the hotel... get screened.. and then you are free to visit the rest of the resort, the parks, etc. This could even be done at fixed places before you goto the hotel...

I know the resort population is not the entire WDW population... but what if they did that as a way to 1) limit how many people are in the parks and 2) provide a way to screen people in smaller batches away from the parks themselves...

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

What if Disney were to reimagine the Disney Bubble...

What if the parks were to open and only allow guests from Disney resorts? And what if everyone were to get screened at checkin? You check-in at the hotel... get screened.. and then you are free to visit the rest of the resort, the parks, etc. This could even be done at fixed places before you goto the hotel...

I know the resort population is not the entire WDW population... but what if they did that as a way to 1) limit how many people are in the parks and 2) provide a way to screen people in smaller batches away from the parks themselves...

If they did choose to go that route, I hope it'd be very temporary. Would stink for a lot of us. Do you think it would be limited to strictly Disney owned?

 

[Bartattack]

 

[UNCgolf]

They are completely separate topics. Employment protections under the ADA are an entirely different section from "Public Accommodations".

The ADA protects against discrimination of DISABILITIES - things that "substantially limits one or more major life activities" -- getting the flu for a week is not a disability.

Employers have an obligation to keep a safe workplace if an employee is known to have a communicable disease.

If it was an especially severe flu, it potentially could count as a disability -- there's some grey area when it comes to severe short-term illnesses. When they amended the ADA in 2008 they wanted to expand the definition of disability to cover more people.

Regardless, like you said, there's a significant difference between the employment related protections and those relating to public accommodations.

 

[Lilofan]

If they did chose to go that route, I hope it'd be very temporary. Would stink for a lot of us.

No more cancellation / delay for inclement weather for Fantasmic at DHS!

 

[jmp85]

What if Disney were to reimagine the Disney Bubble...

What if the parks were to open and only allow guests from Disney resorts? And what if everyone were to get screened at checkin? You check-in at the hotel... get screened.. and then you are free to visit the rest of the resort, the parks, etc. This could even be done at fixed places before you goto the hotel...

I know the resort population is not the entire WDW population... but what if they did that as a way to 1) limit how many people are in the parks and 2) provide a way to screen people in smaller batches away from the parks themselves...

How do you handle Disney Springs? Re-screen resort guests if they visit?

 

[GoofGoof]

I was referring to the fact that I could visit Disney Springs and then hop a bus to the parks. I'm now sharing all my germs with the healthy folks on the bus. If I hopped a bus from Disney Springs to the parks with a gun, yeah, I'd have a tough time with metal detectors.

Right. Exactly. You wouldn‘t get stopped with a gun unless you tried to enter a park and went through the metal detectors just like you wouldn‘t get flagged as a virus carrier until you tried to enter the parks and got scanned. Both fail to address the risk outside of the parks at Disney Springs, on the bus or at the resorts.

 

[Amused to Death]

Wait, wha?

Are you saying that a theme park such as WDW can be run while keeping everyone 6 feet away from one another?

Imagine the wait for the Millennium Falcon with flight crews of one!

 

[DCBaker]

Florida numbers -

1,118 new cases reported in the last 24 hours, with an additional 42 deaths.

There are now only 2 counties in FL without reported cases.

 

[GoofGoof]

How do you handle Disney Springs? Re-screen resort guests if they visit?

Disney Springs is mostly 3rd party vendors who wouldn’t be happy to restrict non-resort customers. The only way that would work is to lock it down at the entrance points from the garages and test everyone as they enter. This way if a resort guest takes the Disney bus to DS they never leave the bubble. Anyone driving and parking would have to be tested again.