News Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

natatomic

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They don't have to be equals for my point to stand. It doesn't really matter why you were denied, under what existing convention have you seen Disney (or another operator) liable for your vacation time or 3rd party travel expenses because you weren't able to use your park ticket?
And again, what happens when that family proves they weren’t positive for Covid-19? That they just had a sunburn, or their baby was teething, or they just run hot naturally, or they just had a random fever not really related to anything serious? You honestly think they’re just gonna suck up the loss and accept that Disney denied them for no valid reason? You honestly think Morgan & Morgan wouldn’t have a field day with all these people wrongfully turned away?

how many people have heart attacks on Disney property a day? Yes, it happens, but it’s probably one a day or less. (Btw, they go above and beyond for families of those who have heart attacks on property - I’ve seen it, first-hand.) How many people have temperatures over 98.6? I guarantee you it’s going to be far more than 1 a day. It’s going to be dozens, easily. It’s NOT going to look good for a company turning away multiple families a day for something that might actually be nothing. I’m local, so I don’t care. I’d go home and try again another day. But if I saved up and came down from another state with my family, you better believe I would put up a giant stink if my family was denied entry midway through the trip. And I’m usually a calm, laidback person who doesn’t make a stink about ANYTHING. And Disney provides ridiculous guest recovery for FAR less hassles. Their guest recovery would in no way be able to keep up with the families they’d turn away daily. Unless they want to change their mission statement from “we create happiness,“ to “we create happiness, but only at 98.6°.“
 

DCBaker

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"The Four Seasons Resort in Orlando has laid off 835 people as Central Florida hotels continue to absorb heavy coronavirus-related losses."

"The notification went on to list positions affected, including housekeepers, restaurant and banquet servers, cooks, hairstylists, pastry chefs, a golf pro and others. It also said the resort would be closed for the foreseeable future."


 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
"Ideas being floated..." Are not the same this as "plans." Would this be the same people who encouraged gatherings of large crowds the last weekend they were open?

So, what are they going to do? Are they going to only let in 500 guests and have Virtual Queuing for Dole Whip?

(I'll use 'guest' to mean an individual or a family or a traveling unit, such as two friends.)

Can the restaurants make the profit they're supposed to with such a reduced seating?

No enclosed spaces? So, no HM, Enchanted Tales, any theater shows (which all have small holding pen lobbies).

How do you even have a queue in any attraction while maintaining the distance? And what do you do when the guest behind you moves into your space and you have no where to go except to invade the space of the person in front of you?

So each guest get their own boat in PotC or IaSW because of distancing?

And even for the omnimovers, if the guests were 6 feet apart, they couldn't arrive fast enough to fill all the vehicles.

Such distancing would put filling rides at 25% of their capacity. Watch Peter Pan be a constant 3 hour wait with the line stretching all the way to BTMR.

Whoever in Disney was floating around how to do social distancing while being open was not, shall we say, in a right frame of mind.
I agree that full social distancing (as it exists today) isn’t possible. There’s no way everyone can always stay 6 feet apart at WDW. It can’t happen at the grocery store either but that’s another debate. I do think there will be some other modified experiences other than just hand sanitizer stations or even a temperature scan. They could ask guests to space out in queues and add outdoor temporary queues to rides that currently don’t have them. They would need shade and/or fans but it’s possible. The biggest challenges are transport and shows. If large group gatherings aren‘t happening anywhere else (concerts, sports, etc) then Disney won’t have fireworks or large shows like Fantasmic. This won’t last forever. I think it may be psychological as much as actual safety so if there isn’t a major 2nd wave of the virus and pro sports start ramping up in the fall it’s possible Disney would bring back some of the stuff they have on hold. I don’t see the modified experience existing unchanged for 18 months.
 

lilypgirl

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So my question is if the heat does in fact kill the virus and makes it unable to move why would any of these measures even be needed in the extremely hot months of June, July, August and Sept.?
 

GoofGoof

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So my question is if the heat does in fact kill the virus and makes it unable to move why would any of these measures even be needed in the extremely hot months of June, July, August and Sept.?
It’s not helping New Orleans right now, but I guess if those people were infected weeks ago it wasn’t as hot then. It would be great if the heat really helped, but we don’t have the science to back that up yet.
 

TJ Vazquez

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In the Parks
No
So my question is if the heat does in fact kill the virus and makes it unable to move why would any of these measures even be needed in the extremely hot months of June, July, August and Sept.?
Not sure that has been proven yet. Australia, while not nearly the amount as the US, still has 6K cases and they just got out in their summer and in the beginning of Fall right now.
 

eliza61nyc

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flynnibus

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The number of people that have heart attacks a day at Disney are probably less than zero. It definitely happens, but it’s not something Disney is having to constantly adjust their operations for. (And when someone DOES have a heart attack, you better believe Disney helps the families out with magical moments and refunds and whatnot. I’ve seen it happen many times).

I guarantee you more than one person is going to test positive for a fever per day. Whether it’s from Covid-19, some other illness, a sunburn, or someone who just happens to run hot normally. Do you honestly think it’s going to make good business sense for them to turn away dozens of families every single day for something that may or may not even be an illness, let alone a contagious one?
That is a different discussion entirely. It is immaterial to the suggestion that Disney should or would be liable to pay for all their expenses they voluntarily undertook to make a vacation because ultimately they are unable to visit the parks how they wanted.

And then denying them Disney transportation back to their hotel? Or does he transportation back to the airport? And then when the airplanes don’t allow them on the plane because of the fever? When this happens to dozens of families a day, do you honestly think this isn’t going to cause some sort of uproar?
How do you get from worrying about a DIsney bus to justifying they should be compensated for their time off work, airline costs, etc? That's where your 'what if..' completely falls apart and has no standing. Disney isn't going to dump you on the side of World Drive... but they aren't going to be paying people back for their vacation time, etc because they got sick on their own. This is rediculous hyper extrapolation stuff that has zero standing.

And again, what happens when that family proves they weren’t positive for Covid-19? That they just had a sunburn, or their baby was teething, or they just run hot naturally, or they just had a random fever not really related to anything serious? You honestly think they’re just gonna suck up the loss and accept that Disney denied them for no valid reason? You honestly think Morgan & Morgan wouldn’t have a field day with all these people wrongfully turned away?
Then people are free to try to challenge Disney... and spend their money trying. "public safety" and putting thousands at risk is going to be a pretty freaking tall barrier to climb if Disney's screening methods are the acceptable methods from the medical experts.

how many people have heart attacks on Disney property a day? Yes, it happens, but it’s probably one a day or less. (Btw, they go above and beyond for families of those who have heart attacks on property - I’ve seen it, first-hand.) How many people have temperatures over 98.6? I guarantee you it’s going to be far more than 1 a day. It’s going to be dozens, easily.
How many are in this potential has nothing to do with Disney's liability on people's personal voluntary costs outside of Disney.

Everything you are saying has merit... somewhere else... That doesn't mean it's support or reasoning to justify your postulate. These are largely points about 'is it viable for Disney to do this...' -- nothing to do with what Disney would be liable for.

Your line of thinking would say you should get free airline tickets if you were denied entry to the parks due to crowds... but the crowds weren't REALLY dangerous. Sorry... That's not how any of this works.
 

UNCgolf

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And again, what happens when that family proves they weren’t positive for Covid-19? That they just had a sunburn, or their baby was teething, or they just run hot naturally, or they just had a random fever not really related to anything serious? You honestly think they’re just gonna suck up the loss and accept that Disney denied them for no valid reason? You honestly think Morgan & Morgan wouldn’t have a field day with all these people wrongfully turned away?
As I said above, Disney likely doesn't require any reason to turn you away. That lawsuit would be a waste of time and money, especially if they refund your ticket.

I also did do a quick check, and as I suspected, Disney reserves the right to refuse entry to anyone under their sole and absolute discretion.
 

eliza61nyc

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Is there any evidence that higher temperatures will kill the virus?
so let's remember that there isn't a lot of evidence on this specific virus because we're just getting started but there are a couple of research theories believing that the virus is vulnerable to higher temperatures.

1) evidently its a very "weak" virus, the outer cell wall is easily destroyed which is why hand washing is so effective.
2) is related to the SARS virus which has been proven to be vulnerable to higher temperatures
3) like the flu we just seem to see a decrease in cases during the summer. maybe it's because we're outdoors more.

I know University of Penn is doing research on temperature and the virus.

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/u-s-world/myth-busted-does-heat-kill-the-coronavirus/ doesn't really say much but it is being looked at

 
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lilypgirl

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It’s not helping New Orleans right now, but I guess if those people were infected weeks ago it wasn’t as hot then. It would be great if the heat really helped, but we don’t have the science to back that up yet.
Living there I would hardly call low 80’s hot plus the temp drops at night. I don’t know if heat does help but several doctors have mentioned it to include Dr. Fucci . He specifically mentioned heat and humidity. So I was just wonder if constant 90 degree days with warm nights would make these percussions necessary or not.
 

rowrbazzle

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Disney almost certainly reserves the right to refuse entry to anyone for any reason as part of the terms and conditions of having a ticket. I haven't specifically checked to see if that's the case, but I'd be absolutely shocked if they don't.

It's a private business. As long as they aren't discriminating against a legally protected class across the board, then they have absolutely no obligation to let you into the parks. Someone could try to sue them, but they'd be almost guaranteed to lose.
In effect, they'd be discrimating based on medical conditions. That's not generally permissible. Typically companies need a job-related reason to make employees submit to a medical exam. Not sure where customers fit in to those protections.

I'm trying to think of situations where individuals are required to undergo medical exams to engage in commerce. Aside from insurance, I'm coming up blank.
 

Clyde Birdbrain

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So my question is if the heat does in fact kill the virus and makes it unable to move why would any of these measures even be needed in the extremely hot months of June, July, August and Sept.?
If that is true then there are still a lot of cold inside places with air conditioning where the virus could spread more freely.

Unless they turn off all the air conditioning. 😅
 

"El Scorpion"

Special Patrol Group
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In the Parks
No
Not sure if this has been shared before. If it has, apologies.

 

peter11435

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In effect, they'd be discrimating based on medical conditions. That's not generally permissible. Typically companies need a job-related reason to make employees submit to a medical exam. Not sure where customers fit in to those protections.

I'm trying to think of situations where individuals are required to undergo medical exams to engage in commerce. Aside from insurance, I'm coming up blank.
Boarding a cruise. If a guest reports being ill or recently being ill they are subject to further examination by the ship nurse/doctor before being allowed to board.
 

durangojim

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I'm in favor of Disney doing whatever they think is necessary to keep their guests as safe and healthy as possible. This will be controversial but I think if they decide to limit the amount of guests at the park they should restrict the guests to people staying on site and AP holders initially. I'm in favor them taking temperatures or anything else, but I think they need to inform the guests when the reservations are made and through mass communications to the Passholders. That's why I'm suggesting these two groups initially. AP holders are typically engaged and people who are staying on site are a captive audience that would have plenty of opportunities to be informed that they may not be let in if certain criteria are or are not met.
 
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