Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[hopemax]

Update from the White House. Easter is out, new date is April 30th.

To Fight Virus, Trump Extends Social Distancing Guidelines For 30 More Days

Trump had initially announced 15-day guidelines and said they would be reevaluated. The 15-day period was set to end Monday.

www.npr.org

 

[MadMax11]

They call it "genetic drift." This one is mutating about twice per month. However, they are small changes, that are allowing epidemiologists to trace how this is spreading. Like in Washington, something like 80% of sequenced samples trace back to a single person, where in other areas, like NY and the UK they can see that there were multiple introductions. The mutations aren't causing the virus functions to change, so that means a vaccine should be longer lasting than the flu (years not a season).

Yep, that's awesome. No idea how long we are out from a vaccine. Experts seem to say a range anywhere from 12-18 months or so before it can be utilized. Of course, in all likelihood this pandemic would have peaked and moved along by then...fingers crossed.

 

[davidfarley]

Agreed..and in no way did I intend to mean that it wouldn't be great. I hope like hell that it works.

But a drug (like an antiviral) that reduces symptoms is not a cure. It does not eradicate a virus the way that antibiotics eradicate a bacterial infection. You can still be contagious with mild, tempered symptoms or even no symptoms at all. That point alone has massive implications for the likelihood of high traffic private businesses opening back up and subjecting their employees to this. Moreso than the effectiveness of a drug that reduces symptoms after you get it.

The original study done by the French researcher found that of 40 patients treated with this combination (chloroquine and z-pac) all 40 showed no traceable amount of virus in their systems after 6 days.

 

[MadMax11]

The original study done by the French researcher found that of 40 patients treated with this combination (chloroquine and z-pac) all 40 showed no traceable amount of virus in their systems after 6 days.

I'm aware of the study..it has issues, but I think the mods have made it clear they'd rather us not discuss that here. But I hope that French guy is 100% correct and this is a wonder drug.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Opinion | What Social Distancing Looked Like in 1666 (Published 2020)

Humanity has been surviving plagues for thousands of years, and we have managed to learn a lot along the way.

www.nytimes.com

 

[DCBaker]

 

[Clamman73]

I’m on the June 1st bandwagon now. You need to know that we are at a point where we’re getting down to zero (probably not) new people getting it because otherwise you’re gonna be on a small world boat at the end getting backed up and someone sneezes and then people start jumping out of the boat and whatnot.

 

[GhostHost1000]

I Fly/checkin May 31st. June 1st would make it interesting

 

[The Mom]

DeSantis (Fla Gov) needs to put truck lanes at the border checks into effect. They are being held up in the road checks.

Let that TP flow down from the GA mils...

We can get it from Palatka, FL. One of Georgia Pacific's larger mills.

 

[LittleBuford]

I went to magic Kingdom and epcot on the last days and to be fair, at that point, I don't think we as a nation understood the complexity. Back then, as far as I understand, it was an old people disease and as long as I stayed away from them, I was good. And of course maintain proper hand washing. This is why initially Disney Springs and hotels were going to remain open. Even at that point, life was still going on. It didn't get bad until the following week and it has been downhill from there.

I agree we didn’t know as much then as we would a few days later, but many people, myself included, expressed unease at wha they were seeing even on the night it was happening. I don’t fault the crowds themselves; it was Disney’s responsibility to orchestrate things more responsibly.

 

[GoofGoof]

I Fly/checkin May 31st. June 1st would make it interesting

Would you still go if it’s the first day re-opened? I think I’d be on the fence.

 

[disney4life2008]

I agree we didn’t know as much then as we would a few days later, but many people, myself included, expressed unease at what we were seeing even on the night it was happening. I don’t fault the crowds themselves; it was Disney’s responsibility to orchestrate things more responsibly.

This is true. But again, the environment at Disney world was like everything was normal. Outside of the antibacterial lotions every where you would have thought it was a regular perfect day. To Disney credit, this is where they excel in the Disney bubble. Shockingly, only one death has been connected to Disney.

 

[disney4life2008]

Would you still go if it’s the first day re-opened? I think I’d be on the fence.

June 1st is a Monday. Florida residents wouldn't be there so it would overwhelming be guests. I would say that first week would be lower crowds.

 

[Nunu]

Opinion | What Social Distancing Looked Like in 1666 (Published 2020)

Humanity has been surviving plagues for thousands of years, and we have managed to learn a lot along the way.

www.nytimes.com

Fascinating article. Thank you for sharing it.

 

[LittleBuford]

This is true. But again, the environment at Disney world was like everything was normal. Outside of the antibacterial lotions every where you would have thought it was a regular perfect day. To Disney credit, this is where they excel in the Disney bubble. Shockingly, only one death has been connected to Disney.

It is indeed a testament to how well Disney maintains its bubble that they were able to keep things running almost as usual right up until closure. But this is one occasion when I think reality should have prevailed over fantasy, both for the safety of guests and for the sake of Disney’s own reputation.

 

[disney4life2008]

It is indeed a testament to how well Disney maintains its bubble that they were able to keep things running almost as usual right up until closure. But this is one occasion when I think reality should have prevailed over fantasy, both for the safety of guests and for the sake of Disney’s own reputation.

Hopefully they retrain all cms on cleanliness. In the fantasmic bathroom the weekend before closure there was clearly blood stains on the floor. To make matters worse, a cm walked right past it (he didn't look down).

 

[Josh Hendy]

... It does not eradicate a virus the way that antibiotics eradicate a bacterial infection. You can still be contagious with mild, tempered symptoms or even no symptoms at all. That point alone has massive implications for the likelihood of high traffic private businesses opening back up and subjecting their employees to this. Moreso than the effectiveness of a drug that reduces symptoms after you get it.

Quite right, I refer you however to the study which addresses in detail contagiousness after taking these drugs. So far it looks promising. Here is a direct quote:

"...The number of patients presumably contagious ... steadily decreased overtime and reached zero on Day12 ..."

I think this means, the patients' nose and throat swabs didn't have detectable CV-19 any more. Which if true, strongly implies that they're not contagious any more in the traditional sense of coughing, sneezing and touching people. Who knows but long term effects like herpes or chicken pox (shingles) might exist.

 

[Polynesia]

This is true. But again, the environment at Disney world was like everything was normal. Outside of the antibacterial lotions every where you would have thought it was a regular perfect day. To Disney credit, this is where they excel in the Disney bubble. Shockingly, only one death has been connected to Disney.

And that one death was a man from California. He could easily have come to Florida with it. Or picked it up at his conference or universal studios. Hard to say it was Disney. I agree Disney excels at making the magic.

 

[GoofGoof]

And that one death was a man from California. He could easily have come to Florida with it. Or picked it up at his conference or universal studios. Hard to say it was Disney. I agree Disney excels at making the magic.

There’s no way to know if the guy was even sick or contagious when he was at WDW. The range of days is just an estimate. The other thing is even if he was contagious maybe he coughed into his arm and washed his hands frequently. It is possible he never spread it to anyone there.

 

[RobWDW1971]

And that one death was a man from California. He could easily have come to Florida with it. Or picked it up at his conference or universal studios. Hard to say it was Disney. I agree Disney excels at making the magic.

And by the time the parks open there will be hundreds of thousands of people with it so nobody will be able to trace any one case to anywhere - that window is over. Whether you catch it from somebody on the plane, in the airport, cab ride, or gas station on the way to WDW, it doesn't matter at that point. This isn't like Legionnaires Disease where they can trace the source of an outbreak to one particular incident.

What is going to be more interesting is how does every business react to the next confirmed case? During the ramp up, new cases were met with entire stadiums shutting down, businesses, closing, etc. That just can't happen when the cases are of this magnitude. That will be a new chapter in this when we have ongoing confirmed cases and everything just stays open.