Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

["El Gran Magnifico"]

I will cruise with NCL again in the future

Of the mass market majors....they are the weakest financially. All of their brands - be it NCL, Regent, or Oceania are miles behind the Carnival Corp and RCI brands. The strongest Cruise Line financially right now is MSC. Somebody is gonna gobble NCL up. MSC is in a very strong position right now (even though they are hemorrhaging cash).

 

[21stamps]

Unscrupulous sales agents? There's always a bad element. Wanting their own customers to die? I don't think so. Like you really want to eliminate your own customers putting yourself out of business. Uh huh.

I agree with you 100%. I don’t think the wish or goal was for people to die. I just don’t approve of how leadership handled it.

Of the mass market majors....they are the weakest financially. All of their brands - be it NCL, Regent, or Oceania are miles behind the Carnival Corp and RCI brands. The strongest Cruise Line financially right now is MSC. Somebody is gonna gobble NCL up. MSC is in a very strong position right now (even though they are hemorrhaging cash).

I wouldn’t be sad if MSC was able to buy NCL, I don’t think it would happen. MSC has made major strides, but I don’t think now is the time to take on another line.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

I don’t think now is the time to take on another line.

This would exactly be the time. They have a new luxury brand that they were (not sure about now) working on. I was in their Corp HQ in Geneva in Jan. They have (or at least had) very, very big plans.

They are the dominant player in Europe, along with Costa - (well outside of Germany - where TUI and AIDA, another Carnival Corp brand operates. Germans don't like mass market ships. And mass market ships don't like Germans. It's weird).

 

[Polynesia]

This is why I think the assumption some are making, that it was in the US earlier is wrong. Seattle & SF got cases via travelers from China in early January, so that's where the early numbers came from. The rest of the country, especially the East Coast is stemming from cases from travelers from Italy in February and later. If you trust the guy who predicted Seattle and said Italy got it in January. It took 2 months to reach the critical mass we are seeing. So if Florida got it in the Mardi Gras - Spring Break Period, and we count 2 months from that, the "critical mass" would be in mid-April-mid-May.

Which is why if you look at the predictor that has been posted, developed by my alma mater, University of Washington, BTW, it says Florida's deaths will peak on May 12.

We are still in ramp up stage, hoping that people locked down in time.

I’m not sure I believe that about any of the states. Other models show earlier peaks. So I’m taking all the precautions I can and praying the peaks are earlier. For Florida I think the peak is in April. Time will tell But thank you for another insight

 

[thomas998]

Goes back to testing. We need both active case testing and previous case testing from those who felt ill but did not report it at the time. Personally I would like the confirmation that I did or did not have it last month.

Actually we should have picked a random area in the country and tested everyone in it no matter how they felt so we could get a better idea of how prevalent it was and how many are truly asymptomatic.

They are now admitting that in Italy that they had a spike in the number of pneumonia cases in the part of the country with close ties to Wuhan back in October, so it is looking like the original start date may have been much earlier than December. If it had already jumped from China as early as October then the odds are it was also in tourist magnets like Orlando far earlier than people ever knew.

And yet the limited number of tests that are available in the country seem to end up being wasted in New York City where 75% of those tested are coming back negative. If they are going to test on anyone then use those tests where you can get a better idea of what is going on with the virus and how it will impact the country. New York City is an outlier and closer to the environment you would find on a cruise ship than it is to the rest of the country.

 

[Polynesia]

This is happening in downtown Orlando. Police are arresting homeless in Lake Eola in violation of stay home/ curfew order.

This is an attack on fundamental civil liberties and a US judge better step up to put a stop to this practice, immediately.
Furthermore, I'm telling you now that there are perfectly standing potential complainants who have a solid case against the city of Orlando. And since the racial makeup of the homeless in Lake Eola is heavily black.....look out! I see action coming under a civil rights violations theory.

Hopefully they will place them someplace other than back on the street They need to be protected just like everyone else.

 

[DisneyCane]

Goes back to testing. We need both active case testing and previous case testing from those who felt ill but did not report it at the time. Personally I would like the confirmation that I did or did not have it last month.

The previous case testing will hopefully answer a lot of questions. The current test is useless for asymptomatic cases because you'd never know when to get tested. Nobody is going to get tested every few days with no symptoms even if the tests were available.

 

[durangojim]

So....It's March 28th. And I just got this notice on my Iphone:

Public Safety Alert
FL Surgeon General: Stay home if 65+ or have medical conditions. All follow social distancing.

Gee thanks. Now I guess I'll pay attention. Sometimes I wonder about our public officials.

I will say a couple of nights ago at 8pm here in Michigan we got an emergency alert the evening that our governor announced the stay at home order. Made it feel like the zombie apocalypse was beginning. Had a klaxon alert and everything. Very freaky.

 

[JohnD]

So....It's March 28th. And I just got this notice on my Iphone:

Public Safety Alert
FL Surgeon General: Stay home if 65+ or have medical conditions. All follow social distancing.

Gee thanks. Now I guess I'll pay attention. Sometimes I wonder about our public officials.

Check out this article from Tallahassee Democrat:

Florida coronavirus cases now over 4,000 as checkpoints go up at state borders

Florida coronavirus cases now over 4,000 as checkpoints go up at state borders

Gov. DeSantis to travelers: "Don't come here."

www.tallahassee.com

 

[DisneyCane]

Actually we should have picked a random area in the country and tested everyone in it no matter how they felt so we could get a better idea of how prevalent it was and how many are truly asymptomatic.

They are now admitting that in Italy that they had a spike in the number of pneumonia cases in the part of the country with close ties to Wuhan back in October, so it is looking like the original start date may have been much earlier than December. If it had already jumped from China as early as October then the odds are it was also in tourist magnets like Orlando far earlier than people ever knew.

And yet the limited number of tests that are available in the country seem to end up being wasted in New York City where 75% of those tested are coming back negative. If they are going to test on anyone then use those tests where you can get a better idea of what is going on with the virus and how it will impact the country. New York City is an outlier and closer to the environment you would find on a cruise ship than it is to the rest of the country.

The problem with that is the test is only positive during an active infection. Even if you try to test a whole population you'd have to do them all on the same day to get any accuracy. Someone tested today can be positive tomorrow and if asymptomatic won't get discovered.

 

[Polynesia]

Actually we should have picked a random area in the country and tested everyone in it no matter how they felt so we could get a better idea of how prevalent it was and how many are truly asymptomatic.

They are now admitting that in Italy that they had a spike in the number of pneumonia cases in the part of the country with close ties to Wuhan back in October, so it is looking like the original start date may have been much earlier than December. If it had already jumped from China as early as October then the odds are it was also in tourist magnets like Orlando far earlier than people ever knew.

And yet the limited number of tests that are available in the country seem to end up being wasted in New York City where 75% of those tested are coming back negative. If they are going to test on anyone then use those tests where you can get a better idea of what is going on with the virus and how it will impact the country. New York City is an outlier and closer to the environment you would find on a cruise ship than it is to the rest of the country.

People and cast members were very sick in January. I still stand by the assumption that Orlando area was hit with this previously. John Hopkins estimates anywhere up to 500,000 people had this and it was undetected. I just can’t fathom that with 70,000 plus cast members you’re not hearing of large numbers being sick. And cast members are pretty tight with each other on Facebook grouped by different locations. It would make the news how Disney put their employees in harms way. That’s how the media spins it in Florida.

 

[thomas998]

The problem with that is the test is only positive during an active infection. Even if you try to test a whole population you'd have to do them all on the same day to get any accuracy. Someone tested today can be positive tomorrow and if asymptomatic won't get discovered.

That's true. But if you picked a reasonable sized area of some city you could easy have sent in a swarm of nurses to do nose swabs in a single day even if the results from all of it might take more than a week. It would have given some useful data and that is the one thing void from the fight right now - useful and reliable data. Only checking people half dead in a hospital doesn't provide any useful data at all it only results in an even higher mortality rate than is reasonable.

 

[DCBaker]

 

[Lilofan]

People and cast members were very sick in January. I still stand by the assumption that Orlando area was hit with this previously. John Hopkins estimates anywhere up to 500,000 people had this and it was undetected. I just can’t fathom that with 70,000 plus cast members you’re not hearing of large numbers being sick. And cast members are pretty tight with each other on Facebook grouped by different locations. It would make the news how Disney put their employees in harms way. That’s how the media spins it in Florida.

Possibility that a number of guests and cast might be singing Happy Birthday while washing their hands with soap and water that was keeping numbers down?

 

[hopemax]

I will say a couple of nights ago at 8pm here in Michigan we got an emergency alert the evening that our governor announced the stay at home order. Made it feel like the zombie apocalypse was beginning. Had a klaxon alert and everything. Very freaky.

Our stay at home order started at 6AM on Thursday, although it was announced the day before. At 6AM, all the phones went off with the emergency alert system. We were like, "I KNOW! LET ME SLEEP!"

 

[HongKongFooy]

the odds of you finding any group of jurors that won't have someone on it has lost their job because of

Something like this likely wouldn't reach a jury(did I Really have to say that) leaving the city in an embarrassing position as well as paying out. Civil Rights violation settlements could go many millions.

Furthermore, as to the roundups in Lake Eola the practice will shut down via a court order, not a jury decision. If Florida high court won't stop it expect a US court to dictate pubic policy.

Lastly, you are using a faulty analogy with Japanese and German descent US citizens WW2 roundup. That won't work here.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I hope Trump does it. The whole point of staying home is trying to contain certain areas If people from New York go roaming around to other states they’re contaminating other areas. DeSantus is making people from NY, NJ and CT quarantine for 14 days when they fly in. Fortunately there are less flights now coming from those states. This won’t work if people don’t listen to their local and state officials.

And the quarantine of NY direct flights to FL sounded good, may stop some of the spread but most tourists arrive by car to FL

Check out this article from Tallahassee Democrat:

Florida coronavirus cases now over 4,000 as checkpoints go up at state borders

Florida coronavirus cases now over 4,000 as checkpoints go up at state borders

Gov. DeSantis to travelers: "Don't come here."

www.tallahassee.com

There's a killer in your house!! Quick, lock the doors to keep out other possible killers!!!!!


This is the damnedest stupidest thing I've seen, next to the ban on travel from Europe excepting the UK when the UK and US already had community spread.

It's in your house. Stop worrying about it getting 'in.'

It's in. Your. House. Already. Governor.

The person flying or driving in from NY is not any more a concern then the thousands of people in your state who are infected... who you haven't locked down yet. Sure, quarantine the New Yorker, but let the infected in your state run free.

Road blocks *might* make sense if you were testing everyone traveling, or you knew for sure that your community was 100% CV free. Or, your own state was on lockdown and had travel bans. But again, not enough tests to make sure.

And of course, no Floridian would ever travel to NYC and return to Florida. Unheard of! Floridians couldn't possibly have done this to themselves... it's those dirty New Yorkers!

{Many of the first cases in the U.S. wasn't because of Chinese people entering the U.S., but U.S. citizens traveling to China and back.}​

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

Sure, quarantine the New Yorker

I like to mess with them. Tents in the Everglades. (No Flashlight) "Is that a cricket?"

 

[disney4life2008]

Disney has posted park hours for April 10. If Disney was going to lay off it’s workforce they’d have done it by now. I think realistically they’ll open May 1 and have cast members come in the week before.

LOL do you realize it's April now and we haven't even hit the bell curve? You do realize the number of cases in Florida alone are surging over night every night for the past week. Use some critical thinking skills.

 

[MisterPenguin]

This is happening in downtown Orlando. Police are arresting homeless in Lake Eola in violation of stay home/ curfew order.

This is an attack on fundamental civil liberties and a US judge better step up to put a stop to this practice, immediately.
Furthermore, I'm telling you now that there are perfectly standing potential complainants who have a solid case against the city of Orlando. And since the racial makeup of the homeless in Lake Eola is heavily black.....look out! I see action coming under a civil rights violations theory.

A U.S. judge? As in a Federal judge?

Just where in the Constitution are we granted the freedom from quarantine imposed by our state, county, and local governments?