Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Nunu]

I'm learning that we only have 60 ventilators available nationwide for Covid-19 patients. There's usually 300, but most are being used on intensive care patients at this time. 100 more are available on private hospitals.

The article also states that the price for a ventilator is $20k - $50k. Does that sound correct?

This is alarming. Heaven help us, we are a 17 million population country.

 

[thecouch]

Florida numbers seem to be surging into the sharp up take stage. They should have closed beaches during spring break. Similar to the last day disney world was open. Having all the cast members at MK looked great on video but having that many young people who were in contact with people from all over the world then letting them go home would have spread it to the vulnerable all over the place. I think a lot still aren't taking it serious.

 

[George]

I’m thinking now might be a good time to invest in companies that make automatic door openers. Seems like the sort of relatively easy add and retrofit that places can do in the near term to outwardly show they take things seriously. Maybe more places will switch to door less multi person restrooms instead of gimmicks like wrist or foot pulls on the doors.

As someone who attends a lot of webinars, I much prefer conferences and seminars. There is just a different dynamic. The associated socializing provides opportunities for casual conversation that I just don’t think comes up as easily in other means of communication.

I have my doubts about too many actual changes. The concerns about H1N1 caused people to wash their hands more, hand sanitizer to be put out everywhere, and companies and institutions to relax sick policies against the advice of those concerned it would hurt productivity but ended up boosting productivity because people didn’t try to power through and get their coworkers sick. That was all dropped by the next year despite its ease and success.

The one longer term change I could see is how hospitals and other medical facilities are spatially organized. Most facilities comprise of a lot of common spaces, be they public spaces or staff spaces. I could see new facilities maybe being arranged to better isolate sick and well persons and the associated staff.


Back when I cleaned bathrooms, the women’s room was always the worst.

I think you’re right that for a lot of things there will be a natural relaxation back to the behavioral mean. I really like the automatic door opener thought. I hadn’t considered that.

 

[durangojim]

I'm learning that we only have 60 respirators available nationwide for Covid-19 patients. There's usually 300, but most are being used on intensive care patients at this time. 100 more are available on private hospitals.

The article also states that the price for a respirator is $20k - $50k. Does that sound correct?

This is alarming. Heaven help us, we are a 17 million population country.

What country are you in?

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

Imagine if the only ones that survive this are the "un-contacted" tribes in the Amazon. And in 75 years they build a boat.

 

[wishiwere@wdw]

I'm learning that we only have 60 ventilators available nationwide for Covid-19 patients. There's usually 300, but most are being used on intensive care patients at this time. 100 more are available on private hospitals.

The article also states that the price for a respirator is $20k - $50k. Does that sound correct?

This is alarming. Heaven help us, we are a 17 million population country.

Just curious where you are getting these numbers because I’ve seen mentioned 160,000 nationwide and they are tapping into a storage facility that had nearly 13,000 more.

edit: as others pointed out, you are not US based. Apologies as that is truly a dire situation. I participate on various sites and often forget the amazing global reach this one has.

 

[MisterPenguin]

We’re trying to contain this. Why have a lockdown if you’re letting people from other states in? I don’t recall anyone calling New Yorkers dirty. This isn’t personal. It’s common sense to stay out during a lockdown and follow the guidelines of your state. Geez

Florida state doesn't have a lockdown yet, did you not know that?

Their own citizens who are infected can roam around freely. But the governor is worried about New Yorkers.

A New Yorker may never step in the state of Florida ever again, and Florida is heading for it's healthcare system to be overwhelmed.

 

[Nunu]

What country are you in?

 

[GoofGoof]

Just curious where you are getting these numbers because I’ve seen mentioned 160,000 nationwide and they are tapping into a storage facility that had nearly 13,000 more.

He’s not from the US.

 

[Kamikaze]

California only tested 20,000 people?? What the heck are they doing over there???

Testing is largely irrelevant unless they test everyone. They aren't testing people that clearly have it (the very sick) and they won't test anyone with very mild symptoms. So unless either they test everyone or they open testing to at least everyone that wants it, those numbers are not indicative of whats actually going on.

 

[JoeCamel]

Florida state doesn't have a lockdown yet, did you not know that?

Their own citizens who are infected can roam around freely. But the governor is worried about New Yorkers.

A New Yorker may never step in the state of Florida ever again, and Florida is heading for it's healthcare system to be overwhelmed.

Several counties have stay at home orders, nothing "locked down" yet

 

[PeoplemoverTTA]

He’s not from the US.

She

 

[wishiwere@wdw]

He’s not from the US.

Thanks! Corrected my original post. And that’s not a good situation

 

[Kamikaze]

I went back to the Professor's article. It was posted on March 12, and he said

"He added: “I think we have between 50,000 and half a million cases right now walking around in the United States.”

With the R0 = 3 or "1 person infecting 3 other people" we can walk these numbers back.

So one infection cycle earlier, it would be 16,667 people - 166,667 people

Two infection cycles earlier, it would be 5,555 people - 55,555 people

Three infection cycles: 1852 people - 18,518 people

And those would have been spread out around the entire country. So how long is an infection cycle? Research says 4 days. So March 1, would represent the date of "3 infection cycles earlier." And a much smaller tally of cases.

If hundreds of people were sick in January, exposing 3 people, and cycling every 4 days. The number of cases at the end of March would be millions.

Let's do it:

Jan 15 - 300 CMs and guests are walking around WDW sick
Jan 19 - 900 people infected
Jan 24 - 2700 people
Jan 28 - 8100
Feb 2 - 24,300
Feb 6 - 72,900
Feb 10 - 218,700
Feb 14 - 656,100
Feb 18 - 1,968,300
Feb 22 - 5,904, 900
Feb 26 - 17,714,700
Mar 1 - 53,144,100
Mar 5 - 159,432,300
Mar 9 - 478,296,900
Mar 13 - Looks like I am wrong. It isn't Millions that would be infected today it would be Billions.

All stemming from the sick WDW people in January.

That is obviously NOT what is happening here. So either all the epidemiologists are wrong about the R0 or the serial interval, even though they DO match during the time everybody started tracking it everywhere. Or...

Is there any way you can believe your assumption was wrong, and THAT'S why you aren't seeing the effects you think you should?

You're ignoring that the vast majority of the infected do not show any symptoms. So there could be tons of people that have it but have no idea whatsoever. Some early estimates were that 70% of the population would get it at some point.

 

[Nunu]

He’s not from the US.

She.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Several counties have stay at home orders, nothing "locked down" yet

Indeed. They went ahead because of the governor's inaction.

It's the governor that's the problem thinking that infection comes in from outside the state when it's already in the state (and from Floridians who went out of state and came back home).

The state website for COVID-19 doesn't even mention the lockdowns in various cities/counties.

Sad.

 

[Nunu]

Thanks! Corrected my original post. And that’s not a good situation

No problem.

We're all worried, down here.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

We're all worried, down here

We're all worried up here too!

 

[JoeCamel]

She.

Then you need a Minnie waffle rather than a mickey waffle

 

[HongKongFooy]

Hopefully they will place them someplace other than back on the street They need to be protected just like everyone else

As per my next door neighbor talking with her using the new 6' rule this am standing on my lawn in the sun while I'm under shade in a chair --- (she practices criminal defense law taking only appellate cases/post convictions in the state court of high paying clients..... very little work in the US courts ) she is appalled that those charged with this class 2 misdemenor are not receiving 'O R' / own recognizance. So this means homeless, particularly black homeless, can't pay the bond to secure their own release: thus, jail time.
I'm sure there will be those who will cry bias since her line of work is criminal defence appeals for high paying clients and dismiss it. But I don't. I believe every word.

They are locked up as ordinary criminals. This ain't right.