Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

Hcalvert

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Maybe you have a hotline in your area you can call, otherwise your family doctor if you have one.

I had sinus headaches for the past week but I frequently get them in the spring when tree pollen starts so I'm not worried. If that kind of headache is unusual for you, if you can't get a test done and you're not already self isolating I think it might be prudent to do so.
I'm a teacher and went to WDW in late January, so I am fairly certain I have been exposed. I've been in insolation since March 13 due to having to work from home. The headaches are not unusual for me due to allergies, but my husband, who's a school bus driver, doesn't usually have allergies. We're in our 30s, so testing us is not a priority and shouldn't be if that is all the symptoms we're exhibiting right now. My sons are not exhibiting symptoms (one works at the grocery store). We've been taking precautions with them.
 

Flynnwriter

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Where are you reading this misinformation? I haven't noticed anybody in this thread say that SARS-CoV-2 (the specific coronavirus) WAS the flu or any other virus. The comparisons to the flu have been in number of cases and deaths and comparing (or trying to) the mortality rates.

I don't think the research says the species jump comes from eating the meat of the wild animals (bats aren't particularly rare or exotic). I think it's more from the unsanitary conditions. My thought is that when you have bat blood spraying around and puddling on the ground mixed with who knows what else, it presents an opportunity for something that has infected the bat to be aerosolized and inhaled by a human. A stroke of bad luck virus mutation that allows it to infect human cells and you have a novel virus. Proper sanitary handling and cooking of these meats would likely prevent this from happening.
Unsanitary conditions play into it, but exotic animal consumption and keeping of these animals in kitchen is the source.
 

Calmdownnow

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Neil Ferguson (who was in charge of the original Imperial model that suggested we could have rolling quarantines for over a year) said that the virus spreads much faster than their initial models projected, meaning that there are both far more current infections than they expected and far more people have already had it and recovered. That would also mean a corresponding decrease in the mortality rate. Their new model also suggested the UK will have it's peak in total cases in the next couple of weeks.
Yet on Monday, the UK National Health Service messaged (text or e-mail) 1.5 million people with existing health conditions and their co-resident family members telling them to prepare to be socially locked-down for the next 12 weeks. The suggestion is that the threat to the broader population may ease in a matter of weeks, but the threat of infection passing to a large number of vulnerable members of the community will continue for much longer.
 

lazyboy97o

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Re: Andrew Cuomo... I bet 99% of mayors, county commissioners, governors are constantly second guessing their actions on a regular basis these days. That's what those quotes read to me, someone who is acknowledging his own fallibility. That doesn't necessarily mean that they would have chosen differently, or that their actions were wrong. We're all operating without a roadmap, acknowledgement of such means he's human.
It was literally a day or two before he ordered the lockdown that Cuomo told The Daily, The New York Times’ podcast, that he would not issue a shelter-in-place order nor would he approve one by a local government because he thought it would cause more panic and damage than good. I know it was posted earlier in this thread by someone else, but it is a decent listen.
 

MuteSuperstar

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I saw on another forum that customer service in Orlando area are switching to work from home (due to lockdown rules) . Maybe the delays is so they can set up the calls and computers to work from home
Wow kinda shocked they hadn't done this already. I know it is a logistical nightmare though. One good thing is that companies will be more prepared and less resistant to work from home going forward, one would hope. And hopefully the "open-office concept" goes away because of this.
 

Nunu

Premium Member
We are now on day 5 of mandated curfew (4pm-4am). These are our numbers, as of today:
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* "Fallecidos" means "Deceased".

I'm not gonna lie, this situation is being hard for everybody over here. I'm sure that this country will take a long time to recover, specially on the economic front.

Of course, this being a democratic nation, there's also a Constitution. Nobody over here is talking about lawsuits or lawyers, people are taking this very seriously and trying to figure out what's best, just as every country is. We (as in the whole World), are all trying to navigate through an uncharted territory.
 
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21stamps

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Dr Fauci interview with Chris Cuomo 3/25/20 Wed night , Happy reading!! If you googled his actual quote to the press you would find it instead of a fruitless search. You can do the honors.
I watched it when it was on, I try to catch them all. Which is one reason why I’ve said, twice today, that I wish everyone was watching his interviews.

Let me provide the transcript of the quote you referred to, (I underlined that section, which was part of a full sentence) where you used it to say that he’s recommending a national shut down-
(He actually says the opposite)

CUOMO: So, you got two different points of pressure coming from opposite directions. You have people saying "It's been long enough, Tony. You told me two

weeks. I did two weeks. I can't do this anymore. I want to get back to work. We got to open up. Whatever happens, happens."

And then on the other side, you have this pressure of "Clearly, we have to do this a lot longer because the mitigation efforts aren't working." My brother, every other word out of his mouth is "Accelerating." You know, it's "Blah, blah, blah, accelerating cases, blah, blah, accelerate - accelerating pattern."

So, how do you deal with those opposite interests? "We've done it long enough. We're frustrated. We want to get over this. And what you've told us to do so far, it's still accelerating."

FAUCI: Right. It is there's no - you're absolutely correct, a 100 percent, Chris. It's accelerating.

And what you've got to do is that when you have a big country like this, you've got to look at it in different ways. Right now, you wouldn't even think about not - not putting the damper on what's going on in New York. That would be outlandish, as it's going up, no doubt.

But there are other parts of the country, which we need to get a better feel for what is going on. And the way we do that is by increasing testing, and identifying people, who are infected, isolating them, getting out of circulation, and then do contact tracing.

That's what we call containment. So, you could do containment and maybe ease up a bit in one area, whereas in other areas where it's mitigation, all you got to do is put all your resources in there, to help the people who are under this stressful situation.

CUOMO: So, different solutions for different parts of the country.

FAUCI: The way it is in New York. So, it isn't all or none.

CUOMO: I got you, different strategies for different parts of the country.

FAUCI: I believe, yes - exactly.


CUOMO: I get it.

FAUCI: Exactly.

CUOMO: But then you have like "Well how long?" And I get it. The answer is going to be "Depends where you are." I get it.

But if it's California, and there you have the Governor and the Mayor discussing, the Los Angeles Mayor, that it's going to be months, it's going to take months for them.

And then, you're hearing, here in New York, Andrew says, the Governor here says, "We're two or three weeks from seeing the worst crush at the hospitals." I mean it seems that the timeline is getting extended farther out, not that things are going better--

FAUCI: Right.

CUOMO: --than expected anywhere.

FAUCI: Yes. What you've got to do, Chris, you've got to be realistic, and you've got to understand that you don't make the timeline, the virus makes the timeline. So, you've got to respond in what you see happen.

And if you keep seeing this acceleration, it doesn't matter what you say, one week, two week, three weeks, you've got to go with what the situation on the ground is. So, when people say it may take months, I think what people are talking about is how long it takes to go all the way down.

But you may see, in a relatively shorter period of time, when you're seeing the inkling of the flattening, and coming down. But, you know, you can't make an arbitrary decision until you see--


CUOMO: Right.

FAUCI: --what you're dealing with. You need the data.
 

Calmdownnow

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Wow kinda shocked they hadn't done this already. I know it is a logistical nightmare though. One good thing is that companies will be more prepared and less resistant to work from home going forward, one would hope. And hopefully the "open-office concept" goes away because of this.
Everyone says it is logistically nightmare, but my son's employer suddenly decided to have everyone working from home and provided the software to do it within 4 hours of hearing that one of their employees who was "off sick" had been found dead from the virus in his home after self-isolating. (He was not in the over 65 age group.)
 

Angel Ariel

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I'm qualified by looking at information and data and using my brain to interpret it. I have a scientific background and a high level of understanding of statistics. Also common sense that it is possible to do things that isolate the most vulnerable demographics without locking everybody else down.

It doesn't matter how long the virus takes to kill. There are more NEW CASES today in Italy than in 6 days and it is the second highest number of NEW CASES they have had in a single day since the outbreak started. I'm not talking about deaths.

Given the 14 day accepted maximum incubation period in the vast majority of cases, anybody infected before the lockdown should have shown up in the data by 2 days ago. The fact that there is a spike today indicates something isn't going as expected unless there were a large number of untested cases. I haven't seen any reports harping on Italy's lack of testing so I won't assume that is the explanation.
They've also charged almost 110,000 people with breaking the lockdown, so it's not exactly like everyone listened and stayed in their houses 17 days ago.
 

Lilofan

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I watched it when it was on, I try to catch them all. Which is one reason why I’ve said, twice today, that I wish everyone was watching his interviews.

Let me provide the transcript of the quote you referred to, (I underlined that section, which was part of a full sentence) where you used it to say that he’s recommending a national shut down-
(He actually says the opposite)

CUOMO: So, you got two different points of pressure coming from opposite directions. You have people saying "It's been long enough, Tony. You told me two

weeks. I did two weeks. I can't do this anymore. I want to get back to work. We got to open up. Whatever happens, happens."

And then on the other side, you have this pressure of "Clearly, we have to do this a lot longer because the mitigation efforts aren't working." My brother, every other word out of his mouth is "Accelerating." You know, it's "Blah, blah, blah, accelerating cases, blah, blah, accelerate - accelerating pattern."

So, how do you deal with those opposite interests? "We've done it long enough. We're frustrated. We want to get over this. And what you've told us to do so far, it's still accelerating."

FAUCI: Right. It is there's no - you're absolutely correct, a 100 percent, Chris. It's accelerating.

And what you've got to do is that when you have a big country like this, you've got to look at it in different ways. Right now, you wouldn't even think about not - not putting the damper on what's going on in New York. That would be outlandish, as it's going up, no doubt.

But there are other parts of the country, which we need to get a better feel for what is going on. And the way we do that is by increasing testing, and identifying people, who are infected, isolating them, getting out of circulation, and then do contact tracing.

That's what we call containment. So, you could do containment and maybe ease up a bit in one area, whereas in other areas where it's mitigation, all you got to do is put all your resources in there, to help the people who are under this stressful situation.

CUOMO: So, different solutions for different parts of the country.

FAUCI: The way it is in New York. So, it isn't all or none.

CUOMO: I got you, different strategies for different parts of the country.

FAUCI: I believe, yes - exactly.


CUOMO: I get it.

FAUCI: Exactly.

CUOMO: But then you have like "Well how long?" And I get it. The answer is going to be "Depends where you are." I get it.

But if it's California, and there you have the Governor and the Mayor discussing, the Los Angeles Mayor, that it's going to be months, it's going to take months for them.

And then, you're hearing, here in New York, Andrew says, the Governor here says, "We're two or three weeks from seeing the worst crush at the hospitals." I mean it seems that the timeline is getting extended farther out, not that things are going better--

FAUCI: Right.

CUOMO: --than expected anywhere.

FAUCI: Yes. What you've got to do, Chris, you've got to be realistic, and you've got to understand that you don't make the timeline, the virus makes the timeline. So, you've got to respond in what you see happen.

And if you keep seeing this acceleration, it doesn't matter what you say, one week, two week, three weeks, you've got to go with what the situation on the ground is. So, when people say it may take months, I think what people are talking about is how long it takes to go all the way down.

But you may see, in a relatively shorter period of time, when you're seeing the inkling of the flattening, and coming down. But, you know, you can't make an arbitrary decision until you see--


CUOMO: Right.

FAUCI: --what you're dealing with. You need the data.
"You don't make the timeline. The virus makes the timeline," says Dr. Anthony Fauci on when coronavirus restrictions could be lifted. " You have got to go with what the situation on the ground is...You need the data. "
 

celluloid

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ABC Liquor stores have gotten permission to remain open in Florida.
The Libraries are closed and not allowed to do special procedures, but Liquore stores remain open.
I can't go to a Drive In that has a chance to thrive and by nature is a social distancing version of entertainment(yes, I would agree that these should not probably be open either) but the liquor stores can remain open.
Showing the tax dollar true colors. They already said alcohol could be delivered from food service and taken out for home consumption. Grocery stores can sell liquor. This is why this essential stuff does not work. Its a slippery slope of one company is allowed to do one thing and creates a mess when others cannot.
 

Calmdownnow

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Ah, so no link for a recommendation of federal directives to shut this country down for a month or more.
I’ll save myself from a fruitless search.
I don't know what more evidence you need other than the Senate feeling the need to vote through a massive 2 trillion relief package that is geared to supporting workers for many months. Are you saying that they are wasting that sort of money on an emergency that will end by Easter? In the meantime WH emergency response spokespersons (e.g. Peter Navarro) are saying "within a year we will have manufactured 1 million ventilators" -- so why would you need a million by March 2021 if this is going to be over in weeks?
 

21stamps

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"You don't make the timeline. The virus makes the timeline," says Dr. Anthony Fauci on when coronavirus restrictions could be lifted. " You have got to go with what the situation on the ground is...You need the data. "
Why are you augmenting his words when they’re already posted? Do you see that you’re changing his sentence? Better question- How in the world are you getting “Federally mandated national lockdown” out of his words? There’s an entire interview, one of several that he’s given lately.. Not one of them has even hinted at a national lockdown at this point.

This is one time when we really need to leave the social media memes and half quotes as entertainment only.., not on matters as big as shutting down this country, for that- watch the interviews yourself.
 
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MrPromey

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It's done all the time with other illnesses such as yes - the flu.
It's being done with people who are ill with covid 19.
A sick person stays confined to their room.
One person feeds that person taking precautions such as we are being told to do now - washing their hands etc.
And to expect that to be the case for all households in an entire nation at once is again, laughable.

Remember, symptoms take up to two weeks to appear.

In a household where anyone could potentially be sick with it and not know it, how would this work?
 
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The Mom

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You can absolutely do those things. You are also contagious before you start showing symptoms. That's how this spreads in households (and schools).
Again, yes you can do those things is you have more than one or two rooms. It becomes harder when you have a smaller living space - which is the problem in NYC and other urban, densely populated, areas.
 
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