Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Jrb1979]

You could have had mask mandates, vaccine passports, and capacity restrictions and would have been in the same place today with this new variant. Omicron didn’t pay any attention to those safeguards. Blew right by them.

You're assuming that case numbers would be the same if there were no restrictions.

 

[correcaminos]

You could have had mask mandates, vaccine passports, and capacity restrictions and would have been in the same place today with this new variant. Omicron didn’t pay any attention to those safeguards. Blew right by them.

We could have had more vaccinated making the impact minimal. I'm sorry but we're nearby 2 years in and I'm so sick of people finding excuses not to try. I'll keep on masking and doing my part. Many won't dream of saying the same. My state has 55% fully vaccinated. That's crap.

 

[Andrew C]

You're assuming that case numbers would be the same if there were no restrictions.

NYC is breaking records. Ontario is breaking records.

 

[correcaminos]

Personally I think masks will be part of life.

What makes you think that? Even here people still aren't bothering

 

[Andrew C]

We could have had more vaccinated making the impact minimal.

There are plenty of highly vaccinated places that show otherwise. When it comes to transmission, omicron is a punk. Now keeping more people out of the hospital, yep, a higher vaccination rate should help.

 

[Jrb1979]

NYC is breaking records. Ontario is breaking records.

While true, having vaccine passports got more people to get vaccinated. It did what they wanted it to do.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

There are plenty of highly vaccinated places that show otherwise. When it comes to transmission, omicron is a punk. Now keeping more people out of the hospital, yep, a higher vaccination rate should help.

This is still a pandemic of the unvaccinated, severe cases among the vaccinated are up slightly but if you’re vaccinated you’ve done your part and you’re still sitting pretty. Current data for NY, blue is unvaccinated, red is vaccinated. Pretty clear what works, and people have had almost a year to make their choice.

 

[correcaminos]

There are plenty of highly vaccinated places that show otherwise. When it comes to transmission, omicron is a punk. Now keeping more people out of the hospital, yep, a higher vaccination rate should help.

You might have missed about the sepsis but that is exactly the issue at hand. It also will be a bit harder to spread as uvaccinated stay contagious longer and even still less likely to get it in the first place. I really do not care about asymptotic at this point either so quoting NHL stats mean little to me. All this continues at crap rates because we have crap vaccination.

 

[mmascari]

You're assuming that case numbers would be the same if there were no restrictions.

Both the vaccinated and unvaccinated can catch COVID.
Both the vaccinated and unvaccinated can infect someone else.
Both the vaccinated and unvaccinated can end up in the hospital.
Both the vaccinated and unvaccinated can die.

Things we see people say all the time. As if they’re all the same.

Much like:
Both Stephen Curry and I can shoot three pointers.
Both Serena Williams and I can play tennis.

 

[Andrew C]

While true, having vaccine passports got more people to get vaccinated. It did what they wanted it to do.

That’s a good point. Which is why I’m not against statewide vaccine mandates. But it’s still not good enough to prevent significant spread. And hospital capacity is still a concern in Canada, hence the further restrictions. And we have the rest of the world to consider.

 

[Andrew C]

This is still a pandemic of the unvaccinated, severe cases among the vaccinated are up slightly but if you’re vaccinated you’ve done your part and you’re still sitting pretty. Current data for NY, blue is unvaccinated, red is vaccinated. Pretty clear what works, and people have had almost a year to make their choice.


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For sure. I’m boosted for a reason. I got my 8 year old vaccinated for a reason. The data is clear, whether we get the virus or not.

 

[mmascari]

This is still a pandemic of the unvaccinated, severe cases among the vaccinated are up slightly but if you’re vaccinated you’ve done your part and you’re still sitting pretty. Current data for NY, blue is unvaccinated, red is vaccinated. Pretty clear what works, and people have had almost a year to make their choice.


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That red line is super telling. It’s a small percentage of the blue one. Which means the higher the blue line, the higher it drags the red line up. Find a way to lower the blue line and the red one becomes a small percentage of a much smaller starting number. Get the blue one low enough, and the red one will effectively disappear.

Assuming we get through the next month (2 months?), will there be anyone left for the blue line who also hasn’t had COVID yet?

There’s a super easy way to lower the blue line too, people just don’t want to.

 

[Andrew C]

All this continues at crap rates because we have crap vaccination.

I back vaccines. Always have. But to assume it wouldn’t continue because of local crap vaccinations rates when countries with much much higher vaccination rates are still dealing with omicron at significant levels seems a bit off. There are just still too many not vaccinated even in places where we would consider great rates. I don’t see this pandemic ending due to the vaccine at this point. But I hope it will keep as many people out of the hospital as possible

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Assuming we get through the next month (2 months?), will there be anyone left for the blue line who also hasn’t had COVID yet?

There’s a super easy way to lower the blue line too, people just don’t want to.

My guess is no, Omicron looks like it’s going to get everyone, the unvaccinated can just expect to get a much worse case.

The upside of a huge surge is it’ll drive a lot of people to get vaccinated, we saw that in Florida with Delta, Omicron should provide an even bigger push worldwide.

 

[Andrew C]

The upside of a huge surge is it’ll drive a lot of people to get vaccinated, we saw that in Florida with Delta, Omicron should provide an even bigger push worldwide.

Did this occur in South Africa at all?

 

[DisneyFan32]

I back vaccines. Always have. But to assume it wouldn’t continue because of local crap vaccinations rates when countries with much much higher vaccination rates are still dealing with omicron at significant levels seems a bit off. There are just still too many not vaccinated even in places where we would consider great rates. I don’t see this pandemic ending due to the vaccine at this point. But I hope it will keep as many people out of the hospital as possible

How long the pandemic will be ending soon?

 

[DisneyFan32]

My guess is no, Omicron looks like it’s going to get everyone, the unvaccinated can just expect to get a much worse case.

The upside of a huge surge is it’ll drive a lot of people to get vaccinated, we saw that in Florida with Delta, Omicron should provide an even bigger push worldwide.

Looks like game over for us.

 

[correcaminos]

I back vaccines. Always have. But to assume it wouldn’t continue because of local crap vaccinations rates when countries with much much higher vaccination rates are still dealing with omicron at significant levels seems a bit off. There are just still too many not vaccinated even in places where we would consider great rates. I don’t see this pandemic ending due to the vaccine at this point. But I hope it will keep as many people out of the hospital as possible

Sorry I was meaning as a whole - referencing my state and the country. Eventually we'll burn through enough. I'm just grumpy today.

 

[carolina_yankee]

Maybe. But we also have more hospital capacity than counties in Europe. And hospitalization rates are not like delta so far. And the drop in cases will happen as quickly as the rise. And no one is locking down to delay the inevitable again.

What are you talking about? Hospitalizations are going up dramatically here. I have a feel next week will be one of the worst weeks we will have seen in this pandemic since tools became available to do the right thing.

 

[JoeCamel]

My guess is no, Omicron looks like it’s going to get everyone, the unvaccinated can just expect to get a much worse case.

The upside of a huge surge is it’ll drive a lot of people to get vaccinated, we saw that in Florida with Delta, Omicron should provide an even bigger push worldwide.

I had alpha, I don't want omicron no matter how "mild" it is.