Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[DC0703]

When I see deer they are always outdoors and they don't tend to crowd each other. They are typically at 6+ foot distance from each other.

Deer are not solitary animals. Though they may occasionally wander off alone to graze, they are herd animals and typically move around in groups. I've seen fields full of 30-40 deer at twilight before. Usually if you see one deer, there are probably more nearby obscured by trees and nature. They also likely share the same watering holes and graze in similar places, so there are many ways for disease to spread among them.

 

[seascape]

todays numbers. US is at 91. NY is at 215. NJ is at 196. Essex County is at 344. NYC is at 306. Florida is at 141 with Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach Counties being the only 3 in the state over 71 per 100k. Yes, Orange County has too many but is at 68, less than half the state rate.

 

[Lilofan]

todays numbers. US is at 91. NY is at 215. NJ is at 196. Essex County is at 344. NYC is at 306. Florida is at 141 with Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach Counties being the only 3 in the state over 71 per 100k. Yes, Orange County has too many but is at 68, less than half the state rate.

Perhaps any large gathering ( ie NYE ) in NJ and NY should be cancelled. All that hugging and kissing can make numbers go higher.

 

[matt9112]

That seems to be what is happening everywhere I keep hearing about - at least anecdotally - it's no longer a couple of people got it here and there, so you send them off to isolate - once one person starts to get symptoms and seems to expose a team/work place/etc. - it's already too late and it's spread amongst the majority.

And again, anecdotally - I work in travel, and cancellations are already up again this week from people who were exposed over Christmas - between this and New Year's, I have a feeling the numbers for the beginning of January are going to unfortunately be very grim, indeed.

So if everyone gets it why cancel the functions? Arent the cancelations to prevent it from spreading. If it spreads period why bother?

 

[Touchdown]

todays numbers. US is at 91. NY is at 215. NJ is at 196. Essex County is at 344. NYC is at 306. Florida is at 141 with Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach Counties being the only 3 in the state over 71 per 100k. Yes, Orange County has too many but is at 68, less than half the state rate.

Nearing 1 case in 1000 nationwide. To put it in perspective that’s scary, especially since modelers are still anticipating another 4 weeks till peak. NY and NJ are near 1 in 500.

 

[Touchdown]

So if everyone gets it why cancel the functions? Arent the cancelations to prevent it from spreading. If it spreads period why bother?

Stop using absolutes, canceling it will slow spread.

 

[Lilofan]

Stop using absolutes, canceling it will slow spread.

It is that " let it rip " mentality is what is also concerning.

 

[matt9112]

It is that " let it rip " mentality is what is also concerning.

We cant afford a shut down. We printed the money once. If we continue our recovery we MIGHT avoid hyper inflation as or GDP might be able to power through it. A shutdown 2.0 will most likely derail that.

 

[Touchdown]

We cant afford a shut down. We printed the money once. If we continue our recovery we MIGHT avoid hyper inflation as or GDP might be able to power through it. A shutdown 2.0 will most likely derail that.

Thank god there are so many martyrs willing to sacrifice their lives for the economy.

 

[nickys]

Did you actually read the articles? All three discuss the possibility that the variant is milder while also reporting the concerns of experts cautioning against drawing early conclusions. This was the state of our knowledge in the middle of the month, and the stories you shared accurately reflect it.

There is also the possibility that the reason it’s milder is because vaccinations and exposure have allowed us to build up protection, so that whilst it is still possible to catch it the effects for most people will be less. For an unfortunate few though, that is not the case.

 

[seascape]

Perhaps any large gathering ( ie NYE ) in NJ and NY should be cancelled. All that hugging and kissing can make numbers go higher.

Do you think the official numbers are right? Are they too high or undercounting the real number?

We all know the actual number is much higher than an average of 300,000 cases a day. Even using yesterday's single day number of 489,000 it is 0.15% of the US population. More likely the real number if 0.2% of The US population or in the next 7 days we will add well over 1% of the entire population. Think about that, in almost 2 full years we had 20% of the population infected but in just 5 days we will add 1% more. Who is to blame? We all are but the government should have had more tests available and they know it. They were told in September there were not enough and yet, it wont be for another week or longer before we get enough to test everyone 1.5 times in January. That is when according to many here we should be testing everyone every other day or 10 times more. What a joke. The CDC, FDA and the rest of the federal government has let us down. Again, who is to blame? We are. We knew lowering the curve would only stretch out the length of the pandemic and allow for more mutations. We knew that if the entire world were vaccinated we would have more mutations. We are all to blame but the experts did not remind us what lowering the curve would have a downside.

 

[nickys]

From the beginning, the definition of a mild case has been “not requiring hospitalization.”

Vastly more people have died from it who weren’t in hospital than who were. So whilst that definition might be the case, it isn’t necessarily a perfect one.

 

[DisneyFan32]

Nearing 1 case in 1000 nationwide. To put it in perspective that’s scary, especially since modelers are still anticipating another 4 weeks till peak. NY and NJ are near 1 in 500.

I expecting COVID-19 cases will be low by Summer 2022 as the pandemic is close to ending soon.

 

[Incomudro]

Personally I think masks will be part of life.

That and Word Crimes.
Oh Canada!

 

[Heppenheimer]

We cant afford a shut down. We printed the money once. If we continue our recovery we MIGHT avoid hyper inflation as or GDP might be able to power through it. A sutdown 2.0 will most likely derail

I think the economy can survive people choosing not to jam themselves together with hundreds of others for New Year's Eve.

Can we stop calling every voluntary request to avoid gathering in very large groups a "shutdown"?

 

[danlb_2000]

So if everyone gets it why cancel the functions? Arent the cancelations to prevent it from spreading. If it spreads period why bother?

If "everyone" is going to get it, then the function is going to get canceled one way or another, either it's by choice, or because to many people get sick that it can't go on.

 

[DisneyCane]

It's been that way since day 1. No US politician has the gonads to put in restrictions again or limit capacity like we have done in Ontario. Too afraid of the mAh FrEeDoM crowd

You keep talking about Ontario as if spread is under control there due to all of the restrictions and vaccine passports. I looked at the official Ontario, Canada data page and found the current cases per day per 100k has a seven day average of 63.03 (which would be 441.21 the way the CDC calculates it for the 7 day period). If Ontario was a state in the US that would be a little below the national average and in the same range as Tennessee which has minimal mitigations and a low vaccination rate.

I also grabbed a screen shot of this interesting chart off of their page that shows the case rate is (somewhat significantly) higher in fully vaccinated people than it is in partially or non-vaccinated people. I'll leave it to somebody else to try and explain that data.

 

[danlb_2000]

Vastly more people have died from it who weren’t in hospital than who were. So whilst that definition might be the case, it isn’t necessarily a perfect one.

The key word is "requiring", meaning they should be in the hospital, whether they are or not is another matter.

 

[Incomudro]

Actually, you went one too far - yes, they are largely vaccinated, and yes, they have mask mandates - but - and this is the key - they did not continue social distancing in any meaningful way.

Obviously, given the what we have learned of Omicron, vaccines and masks are not nearly as effective in preventing you from getting it - so, vaccine passports, and everything related, are going to be far less effective.

But you know what IS still effective? Staying the hell away from other people. Social distancing DOES work - because if you aren't up against people breathing the same air, you can't be getting a virus from them. This was just too much for people, though - we've learned we are a society that apparently just loves to rub up against everyone else, and if we don't, we "aren't living life".

We shouldn't have needed mandates to do that, people should have enough common sense to limit contact on their own- but they don't, and that's why what is happening is happening.

I mean, look at this past week or two and the Spiderman movie - millions upon millions of people crammed into little metal cubes together for two and a half hours, breathing on top of each other as they munch and talk away. I follow a few movie forums, and this week I have seen quite a number of people post "I went to see it last week...and this week, I have COVID". All to see a movie.

Then you look at the elephant in this room in particular - we've got YouTube personalities who are at WDW or on cruises nearly every day who caught COVID, and it's like...come on, of course you did, there is no mystery here. Both WDW and cruises, etc. are known as Petri dishes in "normal" times, let alone during a pandemic. I'll be brutally honest - it frankly boggles my mind that anyone would go anywhere near WDW right now or, my goodness, a cruise ship of all things.

So, we do have it in our power - we have just have so many folks who have become accustomed to "living life" apparently hinging on "big group crowded leisure activities" that, unsurprisingly, are making up a huge portion of those getting sick.

Kind of difficult to social distance in NYC, the subway system being the primary way of getting around.

 

[DisneyCane]

Are bars the only place COVID spreads? I would interpret this as white tailed deer are in closer proximity to both deer and humans more frequently than people realize. Or are you saying that you have changed your opinion that COVID is spread by extended personal encounters and not briefly sharing of the same space?

People seemed to suggest that bars were the only place COVID spreads in mid 2020 when Florida "opened bars too soon." However, that isn't remotely what I am suggesting.

I was pointing out that "social distancing" if it means standing 3 or 6 feet from others isn't going to do anything. The only "social distancing" that can delay (not stop) spread and "flatten the curve" are economy killing stay at home orders with an "essential" business only economy like were done in 2020. Unless people of different households stay away from each other, no "social distancing" is going to do anything.

Of course, as was seen then, as soon as you reopen the spread just starts up again from whatever level it was suppressed to.