Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[DisneyCane]

Florida Has Record High Number Of New Covid-19 Coronavirus Cases

Things have changed since October 27, when the Office of Florida Governor Ron DeSantis issued a press release with the headline, “Florida Reaches Lowest Case Rate in the Nation?”

www.forbes.com

A very unbiased article with no agenda. [/Sarcasm].

Nice that it warns people to watch the news before vacationing in FL but doesn't mention the places they are likely to be coming from have even more cases per 100k population.

 

[The Mom]

A very unbiased article with no agenda. [/Sarcasm].

Nice that it warns people to watch the news before vacationing in FL but doesn't mention the places they are likely to be coming from have even more cases per 100k population.

I wonder how many of the people vacationing in Florida brought Covid with them from other, high case #, areas? It's 2020 all over again.

One mitigation effort might involve people just staying home and not traveling for pleasure.

 

[dreday3]

From what I've read, hospitalizations are much lower with this variant, even with those astronomical positive case numbers.
Which if that holds, this is good. (but still bad because they are all showing up at the hospital at once!)

And once again, this variant is a disease of the unvaccinated. To be honest, if I was going to be someone who didn't give a rip about those who decided against vaccination (which I'm not), I would have zero qualms about traveling. Everyone I know who has now been diagnosed with this variant, which is a few people, are all vaccinated and all have no symptoms. They only tested to be safe.
Too bad WDW can't require vaccinations for it's guests.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I wonder how many of the people vacationing in Florida brought Covid with them from other, high case #, areas? It's 2020 all over again.

One mitigation effort might involve people just staying home and not traveling for pleasure.

You keep bringing that up, but without and evidence or data to confirm your theory.

From the beginning of September to the beginning of December, Florida's rate of cases plummeted and stayed bottomed out. All the while people from higher rate areas were descending on Florida. Why didn't all those COVID-y tourists keep Florida's rate up, then?

Many times FL's rural counties, to which tourists do not flock, were COVID hot spots.

And do not Floridians ever leave their state, travel to a hot spot, and come back home with the COVID they picked up elsewhere?

Florida is infamously doing very little to stop community spread. Blaming it on outsiders is.... an unlikely proposition.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Florida is infamously doing very little to stop community spread. Blaming it on outsiders is.... an unlikely proposition.

New York is infamously doing everything possible to stop community spread and it’s seemingly doing nothing to prevent it.

Maybe it’s time we realize there’s nothing the government can do to protect us from this virus. Get vaccinated and let nature run its course.

 

[HauntedPirate]

I wonder how many of the people vacationing in Florida brought Covid with them from other, high case #, areas? It's 2020 all over again.

One mitigation effort might involve people just staying home and not traveling for pleasure.

Anecdotal, but we were looking at DVC room availability recently. There are rooms available in the next month or two when even 2 months ago when we looked DVC was booked solid in January and February.

To everyone else: Vaccines will prevent you from dying in most cases, but they won't stop the spread. Remember that.

 

[dreday3]

Anecdotal, but we were looking at DVC room availability recently. There are rooms available in the next month or two when even 2 months ago when we looked DVC was booked solid in January and February.

To everyone else: Vaccines will prevent you from dying in most cases, but they won't stop the spread. Remember that.

And if everyone would have just gotten vaccinated, this variant would been very mild. Remember that!

 

[HauntedPirate]

And if everyone would have just gotten vaccinated, this variant would been very mild. Remember that!

This variant is mild but more contagious. Aka. A traditional virus pattern.

 

[DisneyCane]

I wonder how many of the people vacationing in Florida brought Covid with them from other, high case #, areas? It's 2020 all over again.

One mitigation effort might involve people just staying home and not traveling for pleasure.

Back a few weeks ago when the FL cases were hitting the low point I said that I expected some kind of increase when people started coming from the northeast where cases were increasing. I didn't expect Omicron and how transmissible and immunity evading it is but I'd be surprised if the travel wasn't a factor.

 

[dreday3]

This variant is mild but more contagious. Aka. A traditional virus pattern.

And if (most) everyone was vaccinated, we'd just be dealing with a traditional virus pattern. Not implementing more mitigations. Not worrying about the unvaccinated overloading the hospitals. Again.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

New York is infamously doing everything possible to stop community spread and it’s seemingly doing nothing to prevent it.

What rules are put in place by governments and private businesses and what people actually do are often two very different things.

 

[HauntedPirate]

And if (most) everyone was vaccinated, we'd just be dealing with a traditional virus pattern. Not implementing more mitigations. Not worrying about the unvaccinated overloading the hospitals. Again.

Johns Hopkins reported for last week that in the US there were:

80,708 ICU beds total
45,473 ICU beds occupied by non-Covid patients
16.570 ICU beds occupied by Covid patients
18.665 ICU beds unoccupied

Tell us again that the hospitals are overloaded with unvaccinated omicron Covid patients using actual data and not government/media talking points.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

What rules are put in place by governments and private businesses and what people actually do are often two very different things.

That’s kind of my point, there’s nothing the government can do to stop this.

Vaccines are the one and only thing that has worked. Get vaccinated and let nature run its course.

 

[DisneyCane]

You keep bringing that up, but without and evidence or data to confirm your theory.

From the beginning of September to the beginning of December, Florida's rate of cases plummeted and stayed bottomed out. All the while people from higher rate areas were descending on Florida. Why didn't all those COVID-y tourists keep Florida's rate up, then?

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Many times FL's rural counties, to which tourists do not flock, were COVID hot spots.

And do not Floridians ever leave their state, travel to a hot spot, and come back home with the COVID they picked up elsewhere?

Florida is infamously doing very little to stop community spread. Blaming it on outsiders is.... an unlikely proposition.

In the most recent data, the rural counties were not the hot spots in FL. The hot spots are the tourist counties this time so far.

 

[Heppenheimer]

This variant is mild but more contagious. Aka. A traditional virus pattern.

Except "traditional viruses" (whatever that is supposed to mean) aren't nearly so contagious.

 

[HauntedPirate]

Seriously?

If you don't know by now the issues the unvaccinated are (mostly) causing, you don't care and I'm not the one to try and convince you. Maybe someone else can?

I know many health care workers who have had to work long hours and work in less than ideal conditions over the past 20 months because of Covid. I had Covid, and knew people who have died from it, one less than 2 weeks ago. But please, try to tell me I don't care. Maybe look past the propaganda and figure out what worked to lower the numbers a year ago. It wasn't a vaccine. And miraculously, what worked to lower Covid numbers a year ago also somehow lowered the number of cases of the flu and other illnesses often seen in hospitals in the winter months. Hmmm...

 

[correcaminos]

SA stopped testing asymptomatic people

Where are you reading this? They stopped quarantining asymptomatic last week. I see zero news about testing. Unless you are referring to asymptomatic not testing if close contact... which tbh we don't do much here either. We had one instance where we tested my kid for close contact but subsequent times we did not.

S.Africa scraps isolation for those without COVID symptoms

South Africans without symptoms of COVID-19 will no longer need to isolate or test if they have been in contact with a positive case, the government announced on Friday, saying developments around the virus justified a shift from containment measures towards mitigation.

www.reuters.com

This doesn't mean no asymptomatic test.

To share a friend's baby has now had covid 2x. Obviously unable to vaccinate. Got it from a daycare worker who infected a handful of kids (all sub 1). Friend did not test positive last time though vaccinated spouse did (summer time, no boosters both vaccinated super duper mild case). Editing to clairfy: this time neither is positive. I'm at a loss on what to do to get people to vaccinate. Friend is justifiably angry at the unvaccinated worker. (Shared with permission)

 

[HauntedPirate]

Except "traditional viruses" (whatever that is supposed to mean) aren't nearly so contagious.

Less virulent but more contagious. A virus can't survive if it kills the hosts. The common cold, for example, is a coronavirus that travels rather easily but is rather contagious at the same time, all while not killing the host.

 

[Ayla]

This variant is mild but more contagious. Aka. A traditional virus pattern.

More mild in this case means it won't kill as many people. It doesn't mean people won't be affected at all.

 

[hopemax]

Less virulent but more contagious. A virus can't survive if it kills the hosts. The common cold, for example, is a coronavirus that travels rather easily but is rather contagious at the same time, all while not killing the host.

Viruses can survive just fine by killing the host, as long as death occurs after the infectious period ends. If a host infects new people on days 5-15, why would a virus care if the host dies on Day 25?