Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Purduevian

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Just curious for anyone on the anti-mask requirement in theme parks. Why would Universal Orlando announce and enforce (starting tomorrow) they are now requiring masks indoors?
 
Patcheslee

Patcheslee

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GimpYancIent said:
Sooooo the number of home testing kits are totally inadequate, a drop in the bucket, all show because everyone will need to test themselves daily (say as part of a morning routine) in order to have some reassurance they have not contracted COVID19. I agree the testing has it uses as a data collecting tool, but it does not stop the illness. Vaccines have impact, so I will stick with the vaccine and not worry about these tests.
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At home tests for my employer isn't enough to put someone on covid protocols, if a home test comes back positive, have to go to a test site and have a confirmation. We also still have wishy washy isolation protocols still. Just since the beginning of the month: Boss's wife came up positive after showing symptoms, both been fully vaccinated and booster, she's a dentist so can't really have patients mask. Boss asymptomatic didn't need a negative test to report to work. Even though we both have to work in close contact daily with masks no test means I'm not a close contact. Coworkers unvaccinated 11yo (stepchild, so parents aren't in agreement with vaccination= kid can't get it) positive with no symptoms. Coworker also asymptomatic, vaccinated and booster, was off 3 days pending a covid test to return. 2 other people in department got flagged for close contact and had to test to return.
Then we have a new temp (proudly) unvaccinated whom called in 2 days straight, said he was vomiting, fever, sore throat, no test required to return and no isolation protocols. He is also a volunteer EMT.
Imagine how many variations to who needs to isolate and who doesn't, when one place can't even make up their mind.
 
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Lilofan

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The Mom said:
The article is from Dec 2020. No vaccines were available to the average person.
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True, however at the cancer institute my family members goes to for regular treatment , the patients got access to get shots Dec/Jan 2021. There were "vaccine hunters " driving from place to place sometimes scoring to get the coveted shots when they were leftover shots in the PM. Now" vaccine hunters " are pretty much non existent.
 
Club Cooloholic

Club Cooloholic

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The Mom said:
The article is from Dec 2020. No vaccines were available to the average person.
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Touchdown said:
Sorry my bad, should have looked at the dates.
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Mom, he opened the restaurant last December. This article is from this December. And he got COVID in September. Were vaccines widely available then?
No need to apologize @Touchdown
 
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Touchdown said:
But yet he didn’t care enough for his wife to protect himself with a vaccine, even when engaging in high risk work. I feel some sympathy for his plight in March, but he earned his Herman Cain Award. I feel horrible for his wife though.

Edit: This story is from a year ago, he couldn’t get vaccinated.
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You had it right. He was hospitalized this September (‘21). I’m with you in sympathizing somewhat in the effort to earn a living and pay the high medical bills for his wife’s treatment. He had since ~March or possibly earlier with a high risk family member (not sure how MI handled their rollout) to protect her, himself, and his community.

This is a tragic story. Now she must fight without her companion of however many years, and lean on her community and family even more.

Get your vaccine. Don’t make a dumb decision like this.
 
Joesixtoe

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Touchdown said:
Care to share the paper? You do realize this was likely a retrospective case study where the amount of people vaccinated in the population far outweigh the recovered unvaccinated right? With such different denominators of course the raw number of vaccinated breakthroughs would be larger then the recovered unvaccinated. Using a ratio/percentage (assuming they factored in difference in demographics between the two groups) would be the most accurate way to compare the two cohorts.
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Hopefully that works.. I'm not the best at uploading and the yadda yadda stuff.. its not peer reviewed so I understand the hesitancy. But it does match up with their study they brought out earlier this year. Isreal is in favor of boosters, but they also allow for covid recovered individuals. There is other stuff. It's not just this.
 
Joesixtoe

Joesixtoe

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Touchdown said:
Care to share the paper? You do realize this was likely a retrospective case study where the amount of people vaccinated in the population far outweigh the recovered unvaccinated right? With such different denominators of course the raw number of vaccinated breakthroughs would be larger then the recovered unvaccinated. Using a ratio/percentage (assuming they factored in difference in demographics between the two groups) would be the most accurate way to compare the two cohorts.
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And it was cases per 100,000 people.
 
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Touchdown

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Joesixtoe said:
And it was cases per 100,000 people.
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It’s interesting how you only focus on two numbers. This study does show a higher rate of vaccine escape infections then recovery escapes, but it also shows that getting vaccinated after an infection greatly reduces your risk. It also (while being extremely early) shows being boosted to be superior to all but recovering and getting vaccinated.

You also miss a big confounder to this data that is inherent in the design: survivorship bias. Everyone who has recovered by definition survived a Covid infection, that means it excludes (the more chronically ill, older, etc) that even though they do a regression to mitigate that never does entirely. This study suggests some things:

1. Getting vaccinated is protective, but you need to boost to get exceptional results.

2. If you survived Covid you have some protection, but you could nearly double your protection by getting vaccinated too.

It completely flies in the face of the “I recovered I don’t need the shot crowd” and supports boosting.
 
Incomudro

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Touchdown said:
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It’s interesting how you only focus on two numbers. This study does show a higher rate of vaccine escape infections then recovery escapes, but it also shows that getting vaccinated after an infection greatly reduces your risk. It also (while being extremely early) shows being boosted to be superior to all but recovering and getting vaccinated.

You also miss a big confounder to this data that is inherent in the design: survivorship bias. Everyone who has recovered by definition survived a Covid infection, that means it excludes (the more chronically ill, older, etc) that even though they do a regression to mitigate that never does entirely. This study suggests some things:

1. Getting vaccinated is protective, but you need to boost to get exceptional results.

2. If you survived Covid you have some protection, but you could nearly double your protection by getting vaccinated too.

It completely flies in the face of the “I recovered I don’t need the shot crowd” and supports boosting.
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It'd be more informative if this data showed the age of these people.
Their comorbiditoes, and weights.
 
Joesixtoe

Joesixtoe

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Touchdown said:
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It’s interesting how you only focus on two numbers. This study does show a higher rate of vaccine escape infections then recovery escapes, but it also shows that getting vaccinated after an infection greatly reduces your risk. It also (while being extremely early) shows being boosted to be superior to all but recovering and getting vaccinated.

You also miss a big confounder to this data that is inherent in the design: survivorship bias. Everyone who has recovered by definition survived a Covid infection, that means it excludes (the more chronically ill, older, etc) that even though they do a regression to mitigate that never does entirely. This study suggests some things:

1. Getting vaccinated is protective, but you need to boost to get exceptional results.

2. If you survived Covid you have some protection, but you could nearly double your protection by getting vaccinated too.

It completely flies in the face of the “I recovered I don’t need the shot crowd” and supports boosting.
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I didn't negate that at all. I specifically said this study promotes getting boosters. I have already talked about this study previously on this forum a few weeks back. However It does show how effect natural immunity is. Yes getting a booster does help, however it only shows the progress of those boosters for 2 months. We don't know the long terms of these boosters. That graph you showed also shows the recovered at 4-6 months is 10.5 per 100,000. Recovered and vaccinated 10.3 per 100,000 at 4-6 months. Roughly the same. Vaccinated then recovered shows differently, it shows worst results. Why is that? Wouldn't it be the same? Or could it be maybe your body starts to depend on the vaccines? I don't know. Again it's the destination, whether one Flys or drives, who cares we are getting there.
 
Joesixtoe

Joesixtoe

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Touchdown said:
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It’s interesting how you only focus on two numbers. This study does show a higher rate of vaccine escape infections then recovery escapes, but it also shows that getting vaccinated after an infection greatly reduces your risk. It also (while being extremely early) shows being boosted to be superior to all but recovering and getting vaccinated.

You also miss a big confounder to this data that is inherent in the design: survivorship bias. Everyone who has recovered by definition survived a Covid infection, that means it excludes (the more chronically ill, older, etc) that even though they do a regression to mitigate that never does entirely. This study suggests some things:

1. Getting vaccinated is protective, but you need to boost to get exceptional results.

2. If you survived Covid you have some protection, but you could nearly double your protection by getting vaccinated too.

It completely flies in the face of the “I recovered I don’t need the shot crowd” and supports boosting.
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To your credit recovered and vaccinated at 6-8 months is less than just being recovered 11 something to 14 something. Credit where credit is due.
 
The Mom

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The Mom said:
I read the link in the post - the article in the link was dated 2020, and did not say anything about his getting Covid & subsequently dying in September. I read it twice to be sure. You may have had access to an update with additional information that I did not have.
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I went back to the link, and the article has been updated, so I apologize for my confusion. Yes, it is sad that he did not care enough to get vaccinated and paid the ultimate price for a (IMO) poor decision.
 
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