Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Parker in NYC

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It’s no longer a science or technical problem. It’s a behavioral one.
It hasn’t just become a behavioral one in recent weeks. It has been a behavioral problem since the beginning. Who’s surprised?! Sorry to burst anyone’s “positive outlook” bubble, but we really are in for 10 years of this. Bookmark me. It’s ok, though. We’re already more than 2 years in!
 

seascape

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The US numbers keep getting worse and we are now averaging 51 cases per 100k. Florida has almost caught up to the nation and is averaging 50 per 100k. New York State increased to 121 per 100k with NYC at 142. NJ is at 92 but Essex County is at 148. For those who don't know, Essex County is where Newark, NJ is located.

In just 3 days the US case count has increased from 40 to 51. That is an increase of 27.5%. It was only a couple of weeks ago Florida was at 7 cases per 100k. Think about that.
 

ToTBellHop

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The US numbers keep getting worse and we are now averaging 51 cases per 100k. Florida has almost caught up to the nation and is averaging 50 per 100k. New York State increased to 121 per 100k with NYC at 142. NJ is at 92 but Essex County is at 148. For those who don't know, Essex County is where Newark, NJ is located.

In just 3 days the US case count has increased from 40 to 51. That is an increase of 27.5%. It was only a couple of weeks ago Florida was at 7 cases per 100k. Think about that.
Here in CT, 2 weeks ago, roughly 100% of our cases were Delta (as far as we knew…). Now, roughly 100% is Omicron here. It’s been rather dramatic. Lots of people are sick, although it’s mild for most (since most are vaccinated here). It’s expected to peak rather quickly here (within 2-3 weeks) since it spreads like fire, but our hospitals should be able to handle it.
 
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DCBaker

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"The U.S. Food and Drug Administration on Thursday authorized Merck & Co's (MRK.N) antiviral pill for COVID-19 for certain high-risk adult patients, a day after giving the go-ahead to a similar treatment from Pfizer Inc (PFE.N) for high-risk patients above the age of 12.

Merck's drug, molnupiravir, developed with Ridgeback Biotherapeutics, was shown to reduce hospitalizations and deaths by around 30% in a clinical trial of high-risk individuals early in the course of the illness.

The agency authorized the oral drug for the treatment of mild-to-moderate COVID-19 in adults who are at risk for severe disease, and for whom alternative COVID-19 treatments are not accessible or clinically appropriate.

The decision follows a narrow vote in favor of authorization by a panel of advisers to the FDA on Nov 30.

Both the Merck and Pfizer pills could be promising tools for those who are sick with COVID-19, especially in the face of the fast-spreading Omicron variant, which is now dominant in the United States.

"As new variants of the virus continue to emerge, it is crucial to expand the country’s arsenal of COVID-19 therapies using emergency use authorization," said Patrizia Cavazzoni, director of the FDA’s Center for Drug Evaluation and Research.

The drug is not authorized for use in patients younger than 18 because molnupiravir may affect bone and cartilage growth, the FDA said. Pfizer's drug was authorized on Wednesday for people aged 12 and older.

Pfizer's antiviral regimen, Paxlovid, was nearly 90% effective in preventing hospitalizations and deaths in patients at high risk of severe illness, according to trial data.

The lower efficacy of Merck's drug compared with Pfizer's treatment could hurt future sales."


Here's the release from the FDA -

 

Joesixtoe

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Actually, the mRNA vaccines produce immunity to the entire spike protein not just part. And natural immunity does the same thing (hopefully) but sometimes your body can form an antibody to another part of the virus. These aren’t nearly as effective because when an antibody binds to the spike protein it not only tags the virus or the infected cell for the immune system to destroy, by binding on the spike protein it prevents it from functioning and infecting other cells. That may not be true if it binds to something else. Natural immunity has the same if not worse issues with the new varients.

If your self research directed you to places where you could learn some basic immunology you would know that.
Again the rates at which the recovered covid hospital rates to vaccination hospital rates is far, far lower because of this overall better and longer lasting immunity. Just give it time you will see.
 
Yup, folks can keep showing everyone they know rules are made to be broken. The results are amazing.
Wonder if you read the article. He needed to keep his business running.
"My wife’s fighting stage-four colon cancer,” Pareny said in December 2020. “We depend on this restaurant to help subsidize billing and all of that. My employees need that. Of course, if I’d have stayed closed much longer, I’d have lost the business.”

Employees are wearing masks, people are social distanced and menus and other items are frequently disinfected.
“We’re doing all the stuff we’re supposed to do, other than the fact that my doors are open,” Parney said.
 

Touchdown

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Wonder if you read the article. He needed to keep his business running.
"My wife’s fighting stage-four colon cancer,” Pareny said in December 2020. “We depend on this restaurant to help subsidize billing and all of that. My employees need that. Of course, if I’d have stayed closed much longer, I’d have lost the business.”

Employees are wearing masks, people are social distanced and menus and other items are frequently disinfected.
“We’re doing all the stuff we’re supposed to do, other than the fact that my doors are open,” Parney said.
But yet he didn’t care enough for his wife to protect himself with a vaccine, even when engaging in high risk work. I feel some sympathy for his plight in March, but he earned his Herman Cain Award. I feel horrible for his wife though.

Edit: This story is from a year ago, he couldn’t get vaccinated.
 
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Joesixtoe

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Research out of Isreal, CDCs own somewhat recent study tried to show the vaccinated where less likely to get covid than recovered but they did it in percentage, when the actual numbers showed 89 of recovered had tested positive to around 350 ish for the vaccinated. Then it gets worst in the months of Delta. Also I don't really see to many graphs of recovered individuals, as in I'm not sure how much they are tracking it. I've personally haven't seen anyone who's has covid come into the hospital with bad covid like symptoms. I do know a couple of people who's had it twice. That's anecdotal I know. I'm just not understanding how if the same two roads lead to the somewhat same destination, who cares how you get there. I believe you said your a nurse or work in the hospital? I would hope we can both agree that early treatment is so, so important and not wait until your SOB then come to the hospital. We just have differences when it comes to the validity of others choices on how they decide to treat covid.
 

dreday3

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So it's not just Chicago with vaccine requirement for entry to some places, but now all of Cook County.
Now I know the Northwest-burbs, I imagine this will be mostly ignored by businesses...

 

Touchdown

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Research out of Isreal, CDCs own somewhat recent study tried to show the vaccinated where less likely to get covid than recovered but they did it in percentage, when the actual numbers showed 89 of recovered had tested positive to around 350 ish for the vaccinated. Then it gets worst in the months of Delta. Also I don't really see to many graphs of recovered individuals, as in I'm not sure how much they are tracking it. I've personally haven't seen anyone who's has covid come into the hospital with bad covid like symptoms. I do know a couple of people who's had it twice. That's anecdotal I know. I'm just not understanding how if the same two roads lead to the somewhat same destination, who cares how you get there. I believe you said your a nurse or work in the hospital? I would hope we can both agree that early treatment is so, so important and not wait until your SOB then come to the hospital. We just have differences when it comes to the validity of others choices on how they decide to treat covid.
Care to share the paper? You do realize this was likely a retrospective case study where the amount of people vaccinated in the population far outweigh the recovered unvaccinated right? With such different denominators of course the raw number of vaccinated breakthroughs would be larger then the recovered unvaccinated. Using a ratio/percentage (assuming they factored in difference in demographics between the two groups) would be the most accurate way to compare the two cohorts.
 

JoeCamel

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Care to share the paper? You do realize this was likely a retrospective case study where the amount of people vaccinated in the population far outweigh the recovered unvaccinated right? With such different denominators of course the raw number of vaccinated breakthroughs would be larger then the recovered unvaccinated. Using a ratio/percentage (assuming they factored in difference in demographics between the two groups) would be the most accurate way to compare the two cohorts.
Its that one he posted before, lets say his interpretation of the report and mine differ
 
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