Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I'm a physician. Do you know how often I'm wrong on my initial opinion? Often, but as all physicians are trained to do, including Dr. Fauci, we continually evaluate and reassess new information as it presents. Diseases and patients don't follow a predefined set of instructions when the get sick, otherwise, medicine would simply be like following a cookbook. We leave open the possibility that our initial impression might be wrong, that's why we mentally formulate a differential diagnosis and have alternative testing and treatments lined up if the initial lead doesn't pan out.

That's how medicine works, both on the individual and the macro level. Most people on here seem to understand that except you. Or can you just not let it die because you don't like masks?

So you would have some actual experience/expertise to formulate an opinion?

thank you.

 

[Tom P.]

So you would have some actual experience/expertise to formulate an opinion?

thank you.

I would appreciate it if, to maintain consistency, you never again expressed an opinion on a decision Disney makes regarding their theme parks, since you do not work for Disney and are not an experienced CEO. Thank you.

 

[Lilofan]

Bringing this back to Disney, wasn't Borax that powdered soap they formerly used in the restrooms?

I think that powder soap in the parks back in the day went away during the anthrax scare at that time when some thought powder of some kind was that.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I would appreciate it if, to maintain consistency, you never again expressed an opinion on a decision Disney makes regarding their theme parks, since you do not work for Disney and are not an experienced CEO. Thank you.

I bet my ID had a better color on it than yours, Bud…

but that isn’t the point…as you well know. Somebody has been playing contrarian on all things covid for days/weeks/months…it’s fatiguing. If it was right…maybe…but near completely wrong on everything at every twist.

I’m not sure that equates to my propensity to point out the downside of things Disney…or your refusal to consider them?

that’s a different game on the playground.

 

[Heppenheimer]

I think that powder soap in the parks back in the day went away during the anthrax scare at that time when some thought powder of some kind was that.

I guess in case someone decided to dye anthrax spores pink.

 

[Disney Boater]

I think that powder soap in the parks back in the day went away during the anthrax scare at that time when some thought powder of some kind was that.

Ah, anthrax, the good old days!!!!!

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

So, we can all agree, you need a high enough vaccination percentage before you tip over and start to have a large impact of reducing transmission. Otherwise it just keeps running rampant in the unvaccinated group. We can also agree that neither Israel, the US, or any individual US state has reached a high vaccination rate yet.

Or a high enough vaccination rate plus a high enough natural immunity rate. Florida’s spike didn’t end due to vaccinations alone (although another 10% getting vaccinated certainly helped), I’d argue it ended because 20,000 people a day were getting sick and developing some level of natural immunity (if they survived), it’s not the way I’d choose to get immunity but it works, which is fortunate because I don’t think we’ll ever get enough onboard with vaccinations.

The big unknown is how many will needlessly die before we get to herd immunity naturally.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Or a high enough vaccination rate plus a high enough natural immunity rate. Florida’s spike didn’t end due to vaccinations alone (although another 10% getting vaccinated certainly helped), I’d argue it ended because 20,000 people a day were getting sick and developing some level of natural immunity (if they survived), it’s not the way I’d choose to get immunity but it works, which is fortunate because I don’t think we’ll ever get enough onboard with vaccinations.

The big unknown is how many will needlessly die before we get to herd immunity naturally.

“Natural immunity” is more fleeting and the recent studies (cause…science…) shows that the vaccines offer better protection against reinfection.

so the “natural immunity” is helpful…is if the right move?

Arms out

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

“Natural immunity” is more fleeting and the recent studies (cause…science…) shows that the vaccines offer better protection against reinfection.

so the “natural immunity” is helpful…is if the right move?

Arms out

I’m not sure we know enough yet to know how long any immunity will last but the studies I’ve seen show vaccine + natural > vaccine > natural >>>>> none though so I’m 100% in agreement with the arms out part.

 

[DisneyCane]

I’m not sure we know enough yet to know how long any immunity will last but the studies I’ve seen show vaccine + natural > vaccine > natural >>>>> none though so I’m 100% in agreement with the arms out part.

Which vaccine is a factor also. It may be vaccine+natural>Pfizer/Moderna>natural>j&j.

Certainly we haven't been able to collect enough data for long enough yet to know for sure.

Natural also might depend on the level of infection, i.e. dose, the person had.

 

[DisneyCane]

“Natural immunity” is more fleeting and the recent studies (cause…science…) shows that the vaccines offer better protection against reinfection.

so the “natural immunity” is helpful…is if the right move?

Arms out

Do you have links to the recent studies you are referring to? I'm not trying to argue like we usually do. I'd genuinely like to read them.

 

[mmascari]

Or a high enough vaccination rate plus a high enough natural immunity rate. Florida’s spike didn’t end due to vaccinations alone (although another 10% getting vaccinated certainly helped), I’d argue it ended because 20,000 people a day were getting sick and developing some level of natural immunity (if they survived), it’s not the way I’d choose to get immunity but it works, which is fortunate because I don’t think we’ll ever get enough onboard with vaccinations.

The big unknown is how many will needlessly die before we get to herd immunity naturally.

“Natural immunity” is more fleeting and the recent studies (cause…science…) shows that the vaccines offer better protection against reinfection.

so the “natural immunity” is helpful…is if the right move?

Eh, in the short term, it'll get the effective number of people who aren't going to continue to spread up. In the long term, yeah it's not as good.

Plus, there's the whole death thing. Or long term "but not dead" issues.

Rolls your dice on that one. But, if that's someone's plan, lets start talking COVID parties again, speed the whole thing up. Cause, hot damn am I tied of this thing going on. If someone wants to risk death or other long term impacts instead of vaccination, could they hurry up and get it over with faster? Before that short vs long term effectiveness matters. Commit dammit! Start hanging out in poorly ventilated enclosed spaced with infected people already.

Or, you know, get vaccinated and save everyone the trouble.

 

[Andrew C]

Or, you know, get vaccinated and save everyone the trouble.

At this point, we know not everyone will do that so we better hope natural immunity helps us get where we need to be. Same holds true for places like Europe (Germany is struggling right now for example). They aren't going to have enough vaccinated.

 

[mmascari]

Do you have links to the recent studies you are referring to? I'm not trying to argue like we usually do. I'd genuinely like to read them.

I think this was the last one posted on 11/1/21 and is where the 5x comes from.

Back to matters purely COVID...

For those wondering about the protection of prior infection versus vaccination, here's the answer. And one of many reasons why prior infection won't be considered a substitute for full vaccination:

Laboratory-Confirmed COVID-19 Among Adults Hospitalized ...

This report describes mRNA COVID-19 vaccine recipients as having greater immunity from COVID-19 infection than previously infected, unvaccinated persons.

www.cdc.gov

In short, vaccination provides 5x the protection of prior infection. We've kind of suspected this would be the case for awhile, because the antibody response to prior infection is far more variable than from vaccination. Here's the data that shows the results.

Like all things, though, we'll learn more as time goes on. It is possible that the protection from vaccination eventually fades below prior infection (a possibility mentioned by the study's authors), but at least as long as we've had the vaccines, they're offering more protection for now.

 

[Andrew C]

Speaking of Europe...

Europe becomes COVID-19's epicentre again, some countries look at fresh curbs

Europe has become the epicentre of the pandemic again, prompting some governments to consider re-imposing unpopular lockdowns in the run-up to Christmas and stirring debate over whether vaccines alone are enough to tame COVID-19.

www.reuters.com

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Speaking of Europe...

Europe becomes COVID-19's epicentre again, some countries look at fresh curbs

Europe has become the epicentre of the pandemic again, prompting some governments to consider re-imposing unpopular lockdowns in the run-up to Christmas and stirring debate over whether vaccines alone are enough to tame COVID-19.

www.reuters.com

At least this is positive… “hospitalisations and deaths are much lower than a year ago”.

It seems vaccinations, at least at current levels, aren’t going to stop this thing but it’s very encouraging to see they are still very affective against hospitalizations and death.

 

[DCBaker]

According to the CDC, Orange County has moved into the moderate category for community transmission with a 7-day 37.17 case rate per 100k -

 

[Andrew C]

At least this is positive… “hospitalisations and deaths are much lower than a year ago”.

It seems vaccinations, at least at current levels, aren’t going to stop this thing but it’s very encouraging to see they are still very affective against hospitalizations and death.

True. That also stood out to me as the good news.

 

[DisneyCane]

According to the CDC, Orange County has moved into the moderate category for community transmission with a 7-day 37.17 case rate per 100k -

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The state of FL as a whole is back to "substantial" because the seven day case rate went from 49 point something to 50 even.

 

[Heelz2315]

According to the CDC, Orange County has moved into the moderate category for community transmission with a 7-day 37.17 case rate per 100k -

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And yet masks indoors remain! UNREAL!!!! What in the sam hill are they waiting on? Jeez....the masks must be here to say FOREVER