Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Chip Chipperson]

Coke? With authentic Italian pasta?
Fake.

I'll have you know that Coke goes with EVERYTHING!

 

[Timmay]

I'll have you know that Coke goes with EVERYTHING!

Except Pepsi.

 

[lazyboy97o]

If they wanter to be mean, they could have served it with Beverly.

Beverly hasn’t been available in Italy for years now. It’s made exclusively for the tasting stations like World or Coca-Cola and Club Cool.

Hey I think it makes sense for someone dealing with these circumstances to get vaccinated too. I only said I can understand their apprehension and think they need to be supported in every way possible. I can only imagine the emotional toll.

But again, this isn’t the reason that the vast majority of the unvaccinated aren’t getting the shot.

The emotional toll would be greater if the situation were made worse by COVID-19. Would you be supportive if someone was engaging in other ways that actually risked fertility?

 

[JoeCamel]

Some of the data comes from the field of reproductive endocrinology, so these were women already having trouble conceiving. Even in this population, vaccination had a slightly positive effect on fertility, mainly because the other, unvaccinated cohort had more COVID cases.

But the boogyman hiding years down the road......

Bordatella? You vaccinated your dog against cheese?

Dogs like cheese..... animal cruelty I say

 

[Andrew C]

The emotional toll would be greater if the situation were made worse by COVID-19. Would you be supportive if someone was engaging in other ways that actually risked fertility?

*sigh*

 

[MisterPenguin]

The military will hear requests for a religious exemption from the vaccine mandate, but will most likely reject it. One would need to have a real, significant association with a religion that is anti-vaxx.

Military Grants Few Vaccine Exemptions as Deadlines Loom (Published 2021)

The majority of active-duty troops have gotten a mandatory coronavirus vaccine ahead of deadline, with religious-based exemptions largely dismissed.

www.nytimes.com

 

[MrPromey]

You win.
I hope we do not lose too many first responders over this.
I hope we don't lose regular vaccinated folks who could not get the help they needed due to the lack of first responders.

Oddly enough, this could also have been written by someone who sees first responders not getting vaccinated when they should be (for their own sake) and talking about life rather than stubborn people leaving their jobs rather than be heroic* the way we count on them to be.


*that's the word you keep using, right?

 

[Bullseye1967]

Oddly enough, this could also have been written by someone who sees first responders not getting vaccinated when they should be (for their own sake) and talking about life rather than stubborn people leaving their jobs rather than be courageous the way we count on them to be.

Ever put on a uniform? I am also pro vaccine. I served military and am a retired LEO as @Timmay said earlier you can't understand the culture unless you have lived it. Law enforcement and other first responders for the most part have had a tough year and got little respect from their governmental bodies. I'll just leave it there.

 

[MrPromey]

Ever put on a uniform? I am also pro vaccine. I served military and am a retired LEO as @Timmay said earlier you can't understand the culture unless you have lived it. Law enforcement and other first responders for the most part have had a tough year and got little respect from their governmental bodies. I'll just leave it there.

First, I support members of our military and law enforcement. My father is retired military which is why I know that not everyone in these organizations is cut from the same cloth. I also know that unions never represent the positions of every single member on every single issue. I say this because I want to be clear I'm not trying to use a broad brush to paint individuals, here.

That said, whatever culture thinks it's okay to use public health as a bargaining chip sounds like a pretty messed up culture.

Not saying these people don't deserve respect and support (they obviously do) but this is not the line in the sand that's going to garner sympathy from me.

A whole lot of people have had a tough year. I mean, people have died, lost their partners, lost their child, lost their parent, lost their job, may be losing their home. Many of us who managed to keep our jobs have seen our work increase to make up for those laid off while dealing with with reduced pay and benefits to offset employer losses while seeing our expenses go up.

There are children who have lost both their parents to COVID - now literal orphans.

Maybe someone could talk to them about respect.

My point isn't to marginalize anyone but to point out that this has been a struggle (worse or less worse) for most of us. This has been a truly horrid 18 months for much of the world.

From where I'm standing, a lot of these first responder issues are actually a long time coming with COVID and recent social issues just amplifying it.

To that end, if a first responder is leaving their job due to burnout or because they are truly unhappy with their working conditions, I can totally understand and support that. That's what people with options do to better their own lives and some of the hiring difficulties we're seeing is due to people doing that across multiple sectors.

If they're doing it out of protest or they're using a vaccination mandate as a sticking point to make the general public pawns in their negotiating tactics with their employers for better working conditions instead, though... I'll just leave it there, too, I guess.


(I used "courageous" because I thought it was the word the person I responded to kept using put emotion into a debate on public safety and policy decision. The word they were using was "heroic" though and I've changed it to match in my original response)

 

[matt9112]

That's my issue. Defending people not wanting to vaccinate for no good reason (other than to tell the govt to stuff it) doesn't sit well with me. They are the reason why this keeps going. I have zero desire to see it burn through the country killing more. I respect people making choices but in a time like this I definitely am not against mandates. I'm just not sure I am for them. What gets me is seeing how many are vaccinating when their bluff was called. It was all about a power trip it feels like. My desire has always been to protect people and some excuses really irk me.

Iin high vax lock down states they also had waves...just like fast and loose states. I would rather understand the risk...do what i can to mitigate it (including being vaxed) and go on with life. I am so thankful i live here in Florida.

 

[drizgirl]

Exactly! It’s kinda gross to fold when money is on line line but not when lives were on the line.

So you hate them if they don't comply and you're snarky about it if they do? Do you think they folded to keep their second vacation homes or something? Or maybe because they had no choice if they wanted to feed their families?

Do you want mandates to work or don't you? That's how they work.

 

[correcaminos]

Iin high vax lock down states they also had waves...just like fast and loose states. I would rather understand the risk...do what i can to mitigate it (including being vaxed) and go on with life. I am so thankful i live here in Florida.

Waves and huge surges aren't always the same. I saw massive differences in my own state and we don't have the vaccine acceptance I'd like in my county. But it, along with other things, kept it a wave and not disastrous like other parts with super low uptake.

I need to make this clear, as time goes on I have less patience with those who try to downplay the importance of vaccines.

 

[Lilofan]

Good ole wishing harm and hardship on others you disagree with...this must be the science they keep telling me about .

Wishing harm? That's your disjointed ridiculous viewpoint. With some on unpaid leave since they are anti vax if that is the case will the money rain down from the trees to help them pay their bills? The hardship I feel is when a parent who is anti vax who on their deathbed suffering from Covid complications then asks for the vaccine and proclaims they wish they could have been vaccinated and leaves behind a spouse and kids.

 

[correcaminos]

People in this very thread have wished harm and excessive hardship on them....they dont deserve to feed there family is what it comes across as. This passive agressive attitude toward those people disagree with is...UnAmerican...yeah yeah i know many members aren't American. I guess humanity has bounds.

Wishing ill on someone is never okay. However having little sympathy towards those being stubborn, I can understand. I've always been sympathetic towards those with fears. I spent a good portion of the year helping a loved one get through fears to vaccinate. I just have no real sympathy towards some distant family who were left off a guest list because they refuse vaccination.

 

[ToTBellHop]

So you hate them if they don't comply and you're snarky about it if they do? Do you think they folded to keep their second vacation homes or something? Or maybe because they had no choice if they wanted to feed their families?

Do you want mandates to work or don't you? That's how they work.

I didn’t say I hate them. They are being inauthentic and pretending to be both heroes and martyrs.

 

[ToTBellHop]

Found out the kid clinic I signed up for won’t have shots this week, but I stayed up and grabbed appointments for the boys through Walgreens for Saturday morning (and 11/27). Phew!

Who needs sleep, anyway?

 

[Nubs70]

Wishing harm? That's your disjointed ridiculous viewpoint. With some on unpaid leave since they are anti vax if that is the case will the money rain down from the trees to help them pay their bills? The hardship I feel is when a parent who is anti vax who on their deathbed suffering from Covid complications then asks for the vaccine and proclaims they wish they could have been vaccinated and leaves behind a spouse and kids.

Does your feeling of hardship increase if they leave behind a spouse, kids, and a puppy?

 

[mikejs78]

Iin high vax lock down states they also had waves...

No high vax state has had a wave of death like FL had this summer.

 

[ToTBellHop]

No high vax state has had a wave of death like FL had this summer.

Exactly. Our Delta wave, especially when you look at deaths, was significantly reduced here in CT. Only in Florida can folks be proud of

Do people think before they type? Late summer was a disaster in FL. You have wonderful vaccines and they managed their worst wave of the pandemic. Congratulations?

 

[Andrew C]

No high vax state has had a wave of death like FL had this summer.

I wouldn’t consider any state high vaccination. IMO. Some are just better and others.