Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[007mickey]

True, but much less likely of a problem today since it applies to every company. Take Disney as an example, they mandated vaccines for their workers before this. A park worker could quit and work for Universal. A resort worker could quit and work for the Hilton on International Drive. Now that all large employers have to implement the same rule it eliminates the competition. If the same park worker quits they can’t work for Universal or Sea World or LEGOLAND. Same applies to cashiers at Target or corporate office workers.

With the labor shortages I see today, I absolutely see this as a problem for some businesses.

 

[GoofGoof]

With the labor shortages I see today, I absolutely see this as a problem for some businesses.

If unvaccinated people opt to not work at all then maybe so. If they want to work somewhere they will have to comply

 

[SteveAZee]

You can watch the presser here -

I was hoping for actual data, perhaps a link to Orange County's reporting? 45 minutes of video? Anyway, if you don't have it I'll look for myself.

 

[Lilofan]

There will not be any lawsuit because Biden isn't do any such thing.

Biden literally said HE IS NOT FORCING MANDATES for the vaccine

He said he would pressure private business to do so, so what, all President's try to get big business to do what they want.

As a Republican for 35 years dont get your news on FOX, they literally take half statements without saying the other half. IN this case Biden says": we cannot force citizens to get vaccines and we will not ask that, but we will be pressuring big business to do the right thing by giving incentives ". ON FOX they dont say that first sentence or people disregard it.

Federal employees must comply so what. Businesses can legally require vaccinations an have for years, just like schools and any state can mandate all their employees be vaccinated. This has been law since the 70's.It literally has nothing to do with Biden.

Federal employees must comply to the vaccine mandate , that's correct. A small note to that - that impacts approx 100M employees!

 

[dovetail65]

Oh, there might be some consequences for some, but I suspect nothing more severe than what we see from OSHA or CMS currently. Nobody is going to want to put a company out of business.

I may be one of the few conservative out there agree with it. This really pressure business but it's not a mandate.

The way it's worded is Federal workers and their contractors and health care worker employees by companies that take medicare have to be vaccinated. But business he is only pressuring by saying only companies with over 100 employees do not have to be vaccinated but instead if not vaccinated could have weekly testing instead. The goes on to say OSHA should draft a rule regarding this testing, OSHA will have nothing to do with being vaccinated other than knowing who is not vaccinated so they can be tested.

It seems to me the consequence are on the employees either not getting vaccinated or refusing to get tested, Business is already used to following OSHA rules so setting up testing should not be a big deal, I am seeing tax rebates and incentives on the horizon to pay for the testing or the cost of testing being passed on to the employees that refuse to get vaccinated(and rightfully so) as is already being done at a few companies. Only a company refusing to comply out of principle is at risk.

The only true mandate is on the federal workers(and subs) and health care workers where fed money comes in even then, anyone can quit, right.

 

[007mickey]

If unvaccinated people opt to not work at all then maybe so. If they want to work somewhere they will have to comply

All companies won't have to comply (those under 100 employees), so other employment would be available to them if they choose not get vaccinated. But this will hurt those businesses that lose said employees. Like I said, this is absolutely a problem for some businesses.

 

[DCBaker]

I was hoping for actual data, perhaps a link to Orange County's reporting? 45 minutes of video? Anyway, if you don't have it I'll look for myself.

This was from Dr. Pino speaking - I haven't seen the OCDOH publish that type of data anywhere.

You can see him speak to this data here (this should begin where he starts talking about it) -

 

[disneygeek90]

All companies won't have to comply (those under 100 employees), so other employment would be available to them if they choose not get vaccinated. But this will hurt those businesses that lose said employees. Like I said, this is absolutely a problem for some businesses.

If a company employs less than 100 employees as is, you’re not gonna see a material number of job openings for them.

 

[GoofGoof]

I may be one of the few conservative out there agree with it. This really pressure business but it's not a mandate.

The way it's worded is Federal workers and their contractors and health care worker employees by companies that take medicare have to be vaccinated. But business he is only pressuring by saying only companies with over 100 employees do not have to be vaccinated but instead if not vaccinated could have weekly testing instead. The goes on to say OSHA should draft a rule regarding this testing, OSHA will have nothing to do with being vaccinated other than knowing who is not vaccinated so they can be tested.

It seems to me the consequence are on the employees either not getting vaccinated or refusing to get tested, Business is already used to following OSHA rules so setting up testing should not be a big deal, I am seeing tax rebates and incentives on the horizon to pay for the testing or the cost of testing being passed on to the employees that refuse to get vaccinated(and rightfully so) as is already being done at a few companies. Only a company refusing to comply out of principle is at risk.

The only true mandate is on the federal workers and health care workers where fed money comes in even then, anyone can quit, right.

Yes, the Federal Government is not mandating vaccines on people. Biden directed the Department of Labor under OSHA to require employers to either have their employees fully vaccinated or tested weekly. So as long as the company sets up those rules they won’t be fined and nobody actually has to be vaccinated. An employee can just elect to be tested weekly instead. In a lot of cases at their own cost and on their own time. Vaccination would get you out of weekly testing obligation. If a company just mandates vaccination with no opt weekly testing opt out like Disney has done they would automatically be in compliance as well. Most workers will not want to deal with the inconvenience and cost of weekly testing when there is an easy way out of it.

 

[Timmay]

There ARE pretty good whistleblower rewards in cases of CMS fraud. Perhaps a similar situation for OSHA? If I felt unsafe at work, for any reason, I’d gladly call the authorities.

Of course. That does in fact happen.

The division of the company I work for provides “as needed” Joint Commission surveyors for CMS surveys. I’ve done a fair share of complaint surveys. I’d say about maybe 40% of those were unfounded, and most of the unfounded were patients, family or staff trying to stick it to the hospital. It’s a lot of hours wasted. Having said that, determining vaccination policy by itself will be much easier, but determining and proving willful noncompliance even though there is a policy is going to take time and investigation. People will abuse the reporting mechanism. That’s not a call to not have it…just a reality.

 

[GoofGoof]

All companies won't have to comply (those under 100 employees), so other employment would be available to them if they choose not get vaccinated. But this will hurt those businesses that lose said employees. Like I said, this is absolutely a problem for some businesses.

Some industries more than others. For example a restaurant chain could lose workers to an independent smaller restaurant or bar with less than 100 employees but there are only so many jobs to go around at those small businesses. Same with a cashier at Target going to an independent store to work. Some may do it but some May choose to leave the smaller business to work at a larger store or restaurant where all their co-workers are vaccinated or tested.

 

[007mickey]

If a company employs less than 100 employees as is, you’re not gonna see a material number of job openings for them.

You apparently aren't seeing the number of "help wanted" signs in your area as I'm seeing in mine. Every company in construction I know is looking for employees and a vast majority of those do not have 100 employees. It's the companies with over 100 employees that will be impacted. This will not incentivize new employees for those companies under this mandate, they only stand the possibility of losing employees. Thus, this will impact some businesses.

 

[VelocityRaptor]

Wonder what the timeframe is for getting the OSHA rules created?

 

[SteveAZee]

This was from Dr. Pino speaking - I haven't seen the OCDOH publish that type of data anywhere.

You can see him speak to this data here (this should begin where he starts talking about it) -

Got it.. thank you. I'm really surprised that if he's presenting the data publicly why it wouldn't also be published on a website somewhere. I'm mostly curious if the percentages, as stated, are an anomaly or if it's pretty consistent over time. The reason I ask is that here in Oregon, they do publish some information about those who are in hospitals and what portion have been vaccinated and not, and it's been pretty consistent that those hospitalized but vaccinated are in the teens... the breakthrough cases. Delta is making things a lot worse for everyone.

https://www.oregon.gov/oha/covid19/Documents/DataReports/Breakthrough-Case-Report.pdf

 

[correcaminos]

If a cold is a death sentence, God help us this fall/winter.

For some people that is their reality

Bias of what? Do you think 20% of deaths coming from under 50% fully vaccinated people is really good? I think that's only 73% effective against death. A few months ago we were talking about 95% plus. That's a huge difference.

We do not have data. One single exception to the usual 99.x% who die are unvaccinated can not be used as facts. Was it a bunch in hospice in a nursing home or what. A teeny tiny population is never used for studies for a reason. This is anti-vax rhetoric you are regurgitating. Find a crack and blow it out of proportion. Ignoring that every single hospital results do not support these numbers to prove vaccines don't work is not good. You seem to have jumped ship to the dark side and I'm curious why?

 

[Timmay]

Wonder what the timeframe is for getting the OSHA rules created?

Done by a committee? Expect 8-12 months
Done by a couple of experts? 48 hours.

 

[GoofGoof]

Wonder what the timeframe is for getting the OSHA rules created?

It will be done quickly, but there will be a long lead time before enforcing it. I would assume 60 days or more to comply. Many companies already have plans in place to mandate vaccines but haven‘t pulled the trigger yet so they will probably require it long before the formal OSHA requirement kicks in.

 

[Andrew C]

Here is a question or two. Does weekly testing even have an impact on preventing an outbreak? And does it even matter, in a sense is this more about getting businesses and their employees onto the vaccine train?

 

[HauntedPirate]

Here is a question or two. Does weekly testing even have an impact on preventing an outbreak? And does it even matter, in a sense is this more about getting businesses and their employees onto the vaccine train?

Not really, because even fully vaccinated people can have and transmit, and they won’t be tested. As long as someone who feels sick doesn’t come in, weekly testing won’t do much.

 

[Nubs70]

Here is a question or two. Does weekly testing even have an impact on preventing an outbreak? And does it even matter, in a sense is this more about getting businesses and their employees onto the vaccine train?

Not really depending on test. Walgreens PCR test takes 2-7 days to get results.