Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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KrzyKtty

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The fun continues. My child was finally able to return back to school on Tuesday after quarantine due to close contact with covid (no virtual option, and no mask mandates 🤦).

Do you want to guess what happened? Do you? Guess?

She was sent back home today for another quarantine due to close contact with Covid yesterday. 🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦
 

Figgy1

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The fun continues. My child was finally able to return back to school on Tuesday after quarantine due to close contact with covid (no virtual option, and no mask mandates 🤦).

Do you want to guess what happened? Do you? Guess?

She was sent back home today for another quarantine due to close contact with Covid yesterday. 🤦🤦🤦🤦🤦
That stinks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

GoofGoof

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Here is a question or two. Does weekly testing even have an impact on preventing an outbreak? And does it even matter, in a sense is this more about getting businesses and their employees onto the vaccine train?
Weekly testing is better than no testing. I’d much rather know everyone in my office is either vaccinated or regularly tested. It’s not perfect but better than nothing. I know the new narrative is the vaccines don’t work at all, but they are actually still highly effective at preventing even mild infection. I think the majority of people would rather just get the vaccine than be tested weekly on their own time and at their own cost. Either way works as a way to slow spread.
 

GoofGoof

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Not really, because even fully vaccinated people can have and transmit, and they won’t be tested. As long as someone who feels sick doesn’t come in, weekly testing won’t do much.
Orange County just reached 70% of eligible people vaccinated. Despite being more than 50/50 in favor of vaccinated the unvaccinated still made up 99% of the reported cases on a given day per this tweet:



So yes, there are breakthrough infections but this narrative that the vaccine doesn’t do much to prevent infection or spread is completely wrong.
 
Federal employees must comply to the vaccine mandate , that's correct. A small note to that - that impacts approx 100M employees! 👍
Can you explain why US Postal workers are exempt from Biden’s executive order? Seems like there is some politics involved. They are one of the largest groups and have a lot of public contact.

“APWU, one of the very powerful unions representing postal workers blasted Joe Biden in July: “While the APWU leadership continues to encourage postal workers to voluntarily get vaccinated, it is not the role of the federal government to mandate vaccinations for the employees we represent.”

According to a report by the Washington Post, USPS workers are EXEMPT even though they are required to be included in executive orders that apply to federal employees.”
 

Andrew C

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Can you explain why US Postal workers are exempt from Biden’s executive order? Seems like there is some politics involved. They are one of the largest groups and have a lot of public contact.

“APWU, one of the very powerful unions representing postal workers blasted Joe Biden in July: “While the APWU leadership continues to encourage postal workers to voluntarily get vaccinated, it is not the role of the federal government to mandate vaccinations for the employees we represent.”

According to a report by the Washington Post, USPS workers are EXEMPT even though they are required to be included in executive orders that apply to federal employees.”
Unions currently have power. I will leave it at that.
 

JoeCamel

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Can you explain why US Postal workers are exempt from Biden’s executive order? Seems like there is some politics involved. They are one of the largest groups and have a lot of public contact.

“APWU, one of the very powerful unions representing postal workers blasted Joe Biden in July: “While the APWU leadership continues to encourage postal workers to voluntarily get vaccinated, it is not the role of the federal government to mandate vaccinations for the employees we represent.”

According to a report by the Washington Post, USPS workers are EXEMPT even though they are required to be included in executive orders that apply to federal employees.”
According to the postal service they are not Federal employees. I differ and also with their claim they are not a budget line item but it is what it is
 

Heppenheimer

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If someone files a complaint, maybe. But they certainly won’t be able to arbitrarily conduct audits and surveys. Much like CMS can’t conduct arbitrary hospital surveys to confirm the conditions of participation, it’s done through the complaint and reporting system. CMS even has to hire outside private agencies to conduct the required three-year surveys.
That would be the Joint Commission and Rural Health. Those two organizations audit the hell out of every thing we do in health care, if you want the certification.

*And as an aside, I put a large portion of the blame for the opiate epidemic on the Joint Commission, when they decided to make pain the "5th vital sign" and instituted all those inflexible rules about how pain needed to be addressed.
 

GoofGoof

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You’re singling out poor people essentially. Not a fan.
Alone I would agree. I assume this comment was in response to the news today on employment requirements. People who may not be currently working wouldn‘t benefit from the OSHA changes so mandating vaccines for people on government assistance and/or in prison makes some sense. Poor people need the vaccine too and may need a nudge just like anyone else.
 

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
Alone I would agree. I assume this comment was in response to the news today on employment requirements. People who may not be currently working wouldn‘t benefit from the OSHA changes so mandating vaccines for people on government assistance and/or in prison makes some sense. Poor people need the vaccine too and may need a nudge just like anyone else.
But do they need an ID in order to get the vaccine??

I kid. I kid. :D
 

Heppenheimer

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True, but much less likely of a problem today since it applies to every company. Take Disney as an example, they mandated vaccines for their workers before this. A park worker could quit and work for Universal. A resort worker could quit and work for the Hilton on International Drive. Now that all large employers have to implement the same rule it eliminates the competition. If the same park worker quits they can’t work for Universal or Sea World or LEGOLAND. Same applies to cashiers at Target or corporate office workers.
Same with us. Our hospital announced the vaccine requirements last week. It wasn't quite as stringent as many of us would have liked, since it allowed opt-outs the option of mandatory testing. This was done because we have a few nurse and respiratory therapists (of all people!?) who refuse the vaccines, and due to the local labor shortage, they could have been easily head-hunted by a hospital just over the state line that prior today's announcements was not mandating COVID-19 immunization. But with today's announcement that the mandate applies to all organizations accepting Medicare and Medicaid, it's now an equal playing field across the board.
 

DisneyDebRob

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According to the postal service they are not Federal employees. I differ and also with their claim they are not a budget line item but it is what it is
I was a postal worker for 34 years as a carrier. You are correct. We are in a weird position when it comes to whether federal or not. In the early 80’s we stopped receiving funds and were put on our own. We are not allowed to make a profit and all funds are earned through sales with no help from the government. When we lose money which is almost every year, we apply for increases in stamp and other services to try and break even. Here’s the catch. Although we got no funds from the government we were not allowed to run it like a private business and raise rates. We have to go through a commission to determine whether we are allowed to raise prices. So people think we are federal employees but we really have nothing to do with the government for 40 years. In saying all that, they should be required to be vaccinated because of all the people they come in contact with.
 

Lilofan

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According to the postal service they are not Federal employees. I differ and also with their claim they are not a budget line item but it is what it is
Hypocritical that USPS don't consider themselves federal employees but take advantage of federal benefits and retirement plans.
 

MisterPenguin

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U.S. states with low vaccination rates see sharp spikes in children with Covid-19.

The number of children admitted to the hospital in the United States with Covid-19 has risen to the highest levels reported to date. Nearly 30,000 of them entered hospitals in August.

Pediatric hospitalizations, driven by a record rise in coronavirus infections among children, have swelled, overwhelming children’s hospitals and intensive care units in states like Louisiana and Texas. During the summer surge, the hospitalization rate was about 10 times as high in unvaccinated adolescents as in those who were vaccinated, according to a recent federal study. Data on hospitalizations among children of different ages is limited.

Children remain markedly less likely than adults to be hospitalized or die from Covid-19. But the United States recorded more than 250,000 child virus cases in the past week, the highest number to date, according to the most recent American Academy of Pediatrics survey of state data.

“It should concern us all that hospitalizations — indicators of severe illness — are rising in the pediatric population, when there are a lot of steps we could take to prevent many of these hospitalizations,” said Jason L. Salemi, an epidemiologist at the University of South Florida, who tracks Covid-19 hospitalization data.

According to Dr. Christopher Carroll, a pediatric intensivist at Connecticut Children’s Medical Center, the average U.S. pediatric I.C.U. in the U.S. has 12 beds. “In a system that small, even a few patients can quickly overrun the capacity, ” he said. “And there are fewer specialty trained pediatric clinicians to pick up the slack.”

Experts have said that vaccinations can make all the difference. States with the highest vaccination rates in the country have seen relatively flat pediatric hospital admissions for Covid-19 so far, while states with the lowest vaccine coverage have child hospital admissions that are around four times as high.

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MisterPenguin

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Qantas becomes one of the first airlines to require that international passengers be vaccinated.


Qantas, Australia’s largest airline, will require that all passengers on international flights are vaccinated against the coronavirus when it restarts worldwide operations in December, its chief executive said Wednesday, making it one of the first airlines in the world to require proof of vaccination for everyone on board.

Alan Joyce, the chief executive of the airline’s parent company, Qantas Group, made the announcement in an interview with the Trans-Tasman Business Circle, a network for business leaders in Australia and New Zealand.

“Qantas will have a policy that internationally we’ll only be carrying vaccinated passengers because we think that’s going to be one of the requirements to show that you’re flying safe,” he said, adding that many countries are requiring arriving travelers to be vaccinated anyway. He said he hoped the policy would be in place “by Christmas.”

Qantas, which is headquartered in Sydney, suspended international operations during the pandemic — but did resume flights to New Zealand in April this year before suspending them again on July 31. The airline plans to restart flights abroad in December. Mr. Joyce said in November of last year that he was considering banning unvaccinated travelers on international flights, but did not offer a timeline.

Other airlines have announced that they will require flight attendants and pilots to be vaccinated, but few other airlines have committed to banning unvaccinated passengers. Air Canada seems to be the only other airline that is poised to soon begin turning away unvaccinated passengers. By the end of October, the Canadian government will require all commercial airline employees and passengers to be vaccinated. Air Canada endorsed the government’s position in August.

Leonard J. Marcus, the co-director of the National Preparedness Leadership Initiative at Harvard University and the director of an initiative focused on public health on flights, said he hoped that other airlines would follow Qantas’s lead.

“I think this would be a bold and courageous step in the right direction,” he said. Requiring passenger vaccinations is currently easier in Australia than in other parts of the world, he said, because the country has a uniform system of validating vaccination status, in contrast to places like the United States.

A spokeswoman for Qantas said that the airline would permit people who cannot be vaccinated for medical reasons to fly, but the policy for children too young to be eligible for vaccination has not yet been finalized.

Qantas has made vaccination central to its marketing strategy throughout the pandemic. A recent television ad, which has been widely shared, shows Australians longing to travel and then getting vaccinations before heading off on international flights.
 

Virtual Toad

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U.S. states with low vaccination rates see sharp spikes in children with Covid-19.

The number of children admitted to the hospital in the United States with Covid-19 has risen to the highest levels reported to date. Nearly 30,000 of them entered hospitals in August.

Pediatric hospitalizations, driven by a record rise in coronavirus infections among children, have swelled, overwhelming children’s hospitals and intensive care units in states like Louisiana and Texas. During the summer surge, the hospitalization rate was about 10 times as high in unvaccinated adolescents as in those who were vaccinated, according to a recent federal study. Data on hospitalizations among children of different ages is limited.

Children remain markedly less likely than adults to be hospitalized or die from Covid-19. But the United States recorded more than 250,000 child virus cases in the past week, the highest number to date, according to the most recent American Academy of Pediatrics survey of state data.

“It should concern us all that hospitalizations — indicators of severe illness — are rising in the pediatric population, when there are a lot of steps we could take to prevent many of these hospitalizations,” said Jason L. Salemi, an epidemiologist at the University of South Florida, who tracks Covid-19 hospitalization data.

According to Dr. Christopher Carroll, a pediatric intensivist at Connecticut Children’s Medical Center, the average U.S. pediatric I.C.U. in the U.S. has 12 beds. “In a system that small, even a few patients can quickly overrun the capacity, ” he said. “And there are fewer specialty trained pediatric clinicians to pick up the slack.”

Experts have said that vaccinations can make all the difference. States with the highest vaccination rates in the country have seen relatively flat pediatric hospital admissions for Covid-19 so far, while states with the lowest vaccine coverage have child hospital admissions that are around four times as high.

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A student at my son’s high school was hospitalized with COVID within the first two weeks of school. The number of student vaccinations here is less than impressive. Elsewhere, public officials are taking the threat more seriously:

 
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