If a company violates an OSHA requirement they are subject to fines in the tens of thousands of dollars per employee per offense. Not many will resist the pressure to comply if it directly impacts their bottom line that much.
NBC gave a better understanding. 80 million is the amount of employed unvaccinated that this mandate will affect.
If someone files a complaint, maybe. But they certainly won’t be able to arbitrarily conduct audits and surveys. Much like CMS can’t conduct arbitrary hospital surveys to confirm the conditions of participation, it’s done through the complaint and reporting system. CMS even has to hire outside private agencies to conduct the required three-year surveys.
Does the science really show that though? Or are we just saying, “It was less than promised so it does nothing to reduce the spread?” Delta threw a wrench into the efficacy rate — but that rate is still extremely good. Future versions of the vaccine will deal with variants as they occur. Over time herd immunity and reduced spread are still the goal.
Yeah. That’s kinda my point. Seems like a threat with no backbone.
There ARE pretty good whistleblower rewards in cases of CMS fraud. Perhaps a similar situation for OSHA? If I felt unsafe at work, for any reason, I’d gladly call the authorities.
Makes sense. The total number of adults not fully vaccinated is about 112M but not all are employed and some are employed by small businesses that are exempt.
We have to understand that there will be employees that will resist and leave (or even terminated). This will also result to impacts of said companies bottom line. There's not a real win here for some businesses.
You really think they need an audit or an investigation. Take this board as an example, if half the people here work for a company that’s not complying they would blow the whistle in a heartbeat. With millions in potential fines they can outsource the follow up investigation and still make a large profit for the government.
I did very very rough math but I believe if all 80 million did get vaccinated it would bring our country wide vaccine rate up to around 90%. But like I said this was very rough math with lots of rounding and assumptions
Oh, there might be some consequences for some, but I suspect nothing more severe than what we see from OSHA or CMS currently. Nobody is going to want to put a company out of business.
Do you have a link to this data? I'm curious.
My bet is on this being challenged in court. I imagine certain judges will be more than willing to provide temporary relief to businesses. Could be wrong though.
True, but much less likely of a problem today since it applies to every company. Take Disney as an example, they mandated vaccines for their workers before this. A park worker could quit and work for Universal. A resort worker could quit and work for the Hilton on International Drive. Now that all large employers have to implement the same rule it eliminates the competition. If the same park worker quits they can’t work for Universal or Sea World or LEGOLAND. Same applies to cashiers at Target or corporate office workers.
From what I read at the time, we needed to hit 70% or so immunity to get to herd immunity. Hitting 70% wouldn't mean zero deaths or illnesses at that point, but the spread would lessen and eventually end. Unfortunately, the virus mutated and the new variant spreads more efficiently, so it's now estimated that 90% need immunity to get to herd immunity status.
Court challenge is inevitable. There is no court in the world that will stop a business from implementing a vaccine requirement themself and this gives every business in the country all the cover they need to mandate vaccines. Maybe some don’t implement and pay the fines and hope to get relief in court but the ”damage” will likely be done. I wouldn’t be surprised if most employees facing these rules get vaccinated before the case ever reaches court. Nobody wants a weekly covid test if there’s a way out of it.
With the labor shortages I see today, I absolutely see this as a problem for some businesses.
