Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[21stamps]

No word on school or sports extensions yet.. I will give DeWine a lot of credit, he is doing things as incremental as possible. I would rather an early April date, for now, then reassess.. not an arbitrary May date. Keep this in small increments.

 

[The Mom]

Exactly. If we're going to reopen businesses and parks, etc. (and people start back on business travel), then the reality becomes you're going to get it. It will become unavoidable unless we just shut everything down.

I think we're only going to be able to slow it down. But people might (and should) be more aware of the danger of transmission, and get into the habit of thinking twice before touching anything, such as banisters, cart handles, doorknobs, etc. They will be more aware of how easily they can transmit disease to others more vulnerable, and those more vulnerable might think twice about traveling where they will be confined for long periods of time with others. Hotels, cruise ships, etc might have to increase cleaning and limit back to back cruises where staff barely strip and make up the bed for the next arrival.

We may have to go back to the days of limiting patient visitors to hospitals and nursing homes, and reinstating age limits and visiting hours so the staff has time to clean between visits without a constant coming and going of family members.

 

[The Mom]

Back in the day people didn't carry backpacks in the parks and were fine. They could limit what you carry like the airlines.

When my children were little we certainly did - back in the day. They are 27 and 37.

 

[flynnibus]

Part of the problem is we aren't given the underlying assumptions when they throw out a worst case scenario. I know you will have way to many detail to list them out on a TV screen while talking about it but it would be nice if they would provide the data and formulas they used to come up with them. Or even simply give the probability they have for the best worst and likely scenarios. I've worked in places where they wanted a 5% probability of the worst case and others where you had 20% for a worst case... I think most people know the odds of the worst thing possible happening are low, but it would be nice to know just how low they really are.

If you asked every expert that's been throwing around the same numbers what the probability of the worst case happening was you would probably be a wide range of numbers.

And that's part of the root problem... getting consensus (after all.. its just a model) and then putting it in a form the mob can digest. They want a 'yes or no' answer.. not 'maybe' or 'possibly..'.

Add into the mix the conflicting ideals of not wanting to cause a panic.. and you get a perfect formula for people wanting to downplay the risks and avoid drastic action.

The lay don't want to hear 'why' - they just want to follow a source they trust.

Problem is.. most put their trust in really horrible people :/

 

[DCBaker]

 

[Phil12]

Sure - because for most people they can 'play the odds' and win... The warnings are often for 'worst case' and the probability of that happening is not linear.. so people get conditioned to think "oh its never as bad as they say it was going to be..". And they can be right.. even for their whole lifetime or even generations. This conditions people to downplay the warnings.

"preparing for the worst..." is costly and disruptive... and without the history of showing it's 'needed'.. its priority goes down.

It's extremely judgemental to say "I told you so!" when the worst finally does land and point to everyone with "I told you so!" when you ignore all the times they were "wrong" (air quotes because wrong isn't 'incorrect' just.. it didn't come to be).

What we need to educate people to do is respect the SEVERITY of something and embrace the idea that probability is not a promise.. it's a educated prediction.

Hope for the best...but prepare for the worst.

 

[TheDisneyDaysOfOurLives]

I think we're only going to be able to slow it down. But people might (and should) be more aware of the danger of transmission, and get into the habit of thinking twice before touching anything, such as banisters, cart handles, doorknobs, etc. They will be more aware of how easily they can transmit disease to others more vulnerable, and those more vulnerable might think twice about traveling where they will be confined for long periods of time with others. Hotels, cruise ships, etc might have to increase cleaning and limit back to back cruises where staff barely strip and make up the bed for the next arrival.

We may have to go back to the days of limiting patient visitors to hospitals and nursing homes, and reinstating age limits and visiting hours so the staff has time to clean between visits without a constant coming and going of family members.

I think we'll see some significant changes with hospitals, clinics, nursing homes, etc. during the course of this pandemic. I think mostly everything else will return to normal with people more aware, but businesses leaving their operations largely the same.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

but businesses leaving their operations largely the same.

Depends on the business and the sector. Some businesses yes. Others will change dramatically.

 

[DCBaker]

BREAKING: Gov. John Bel Edwards Issues Stay at Home Order for Louisiana - News15 | Lafayette, LA

Gov. John Bel Edwards held a media briefing about Louisiana’s response to COVID-19 and issued a ‘Stay at Home’ order effective Monday March 23, 2020 at 5:00p.m until April 12, 2020. This news came after the governor announced Louisiana has the fastest growth rate of Coronavirus in the world...

kadn.com

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

BREAKING: Gov. John Bel Edwards Issues Stay at Home Order for Louisiana - News15 | Lafayette, LA

Gov. John Bel Edwards held a media briefing about Louisiana’s response to COVID-19 and issued a ‘Stay at Home’ order effective Monday March 23, 2020 at 5:00p.m until April 12, 2020. This news came after the governor announced Louisiana has the fastest growth rate of Coronavirus in the world...

kadn.com

I think this is coming for all states by the end of today.

 

[Phil12]

Depends on the business and the sector. Some businesses yes. Others will change dramatically.

Yes indeed. I wouldn't be surprised if a new cruise ship is created called the S.S. Lysol.

 

[ElvisMickey]

Here’s the thing...this isn’t going away anytime soon. Many people have been in denial about this from the beginning. Then when one restriction after another happens, they seem surprised. I know we’re the United States, but look at China, Italy, etc. on how this is going to go. Whether it‘s overreaction or not is irrelevant. The bottom line is that this is going to affect everyone’s everyday life for months. No one is going back to school in April, or if at all this school year. Corona testing is just getting started. The number of positive cases has to plateau before anyone is going anywhere.

 

[ElvisMickey]

I think this is coming for all states by the end of today.

Hopefully!

 

[21stamps]

Did Louisiana give an end date? I didn’t see it in the posted article.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I think this is coming for all states by the end of today.

I hope so...with clarification as to what, exactly, that means. (Because people are stupid.)

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

Yes indeed. I wouldn't be surprised if a new cruise ship is created called the S.S. Lysol.

Close. It's called "The World". Already exists kinda. I'm sure there is a lot of Lysol onboard.

 

[21stamps]

I hope so...with clarification as to what, exactly, that means. (Because people are stupid.)

DeWine was very clear. I can’t speak for other states though.

To note- doing for walks/runs/bike rides and to parks is still fine, and encouraged.

 

[DCBaker]

Did Louisiana give an end date? I didn’t see it in the posted article.

The order will stay in place through April 12, unless it is extended.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

DeWine was very clear. I can’t speak for other states though.

To note- doing for walks/runs/bike rides and to parks is still fine, and encouraged.

Our town just shut down a bunch of the public parks because people were congregating.

 

[21stamps]

The order will stay in place through April 12, unless it is extended.

Ours is thru 4/6, and we have a longer day Monday. 5pm is a little too early imo. I wonder why they chose that time. Maybe they’re assuming that companies expected it and can adjust quickly.