Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Figgy1]

OOF! I just had my 3rd Moderna, and got the full strength. Working on my 5G, of course. Also, I have a fairly sizable case of "Covid arm" this time around.

IMHO having covid arm for a couple of days is better than getting covid. I hope the pain passes quickly

 

[GoofGoof]

I do not agree that vaccines should be required for travel.

For non-essential activities? Sure.

The vast majority of air travel is non-essential. They would still have an exception for people with medical conditions. It probably makes sense to do if we are actually worried about safety on planes and slowing spread.

 

[Piebald]

 

[GoofGoof]

And trains too. They need a vaccine required too.

Trains are a little more difficult due to the open nature of most train stations and busses would be pretty close to impossible.

 

[sullyinMT]

The vast majority of air travel is non-essential. They would still have an exception for people with medical conditions. It probably makes sense to do if we are actually worried about safety on planes and slowing spread.

Plus, once 5-11 authorization comes in you could probably get away with an age exemption, as well. Not that many under-5s flying as an overall percentage.

I’d even be fine with masks + mandatory vaccines on flights while spread is what it is right now. Though I’m sure I’m in the minority on that one.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

The vast majority of air travel is non-essential. They would still have an exception for people with medical conditions. It probably makes sense to do if we are actually worried about safety on planes and slowing spread.

The ability to travel from state to to state in your own country should not be limited imho. If we are going to close State borders we are going in a scary direction.

 

[Ayla]

Apparently some companies are looking into additional insurance premiums for the non vaccinated:

Some employers adding insurance surcharges for unvaccinated employees

While monetary incentives, days off, and encouragement have run their course, many employers are still trying to nudge their workers toward a shot. Now, some are turning to added insurance surcharges for those who choose to forgo the vaccine.

www.wrtv.com

Good. I sincerely hope they follow through.

 

[sullyinMT]

The ability to travel from state to to state in your own country should not be limited imho. If we are going to close State borders we are going in a scary direction.

Drive your own vehicle. No one is calling for those early FL style border checks to cross state lines.
Just like cruising is a privileged mode of vacation, air travel is - in terms of gained convenience - a luxurious mode of travel. If you want the luxury pay the price. I agree that the price should include vaccination, at least for now.

 

[mmascari]

Apparently some companies are looking into additional insurance premiums for the non vaccinated:

Some employers adding insurance surcharges for unvaccinated employees

While monetary incentives, days off, and encouragement have run their course, many employers are still trying to nudge their workers toward a shot. Now, some are turning to added insurance surcharges for those who choose to forgo the vaccine.

www.wrtv.com

So, sitting here looking at the options we keep talking about for the 30%-40% of people still holding out.

Option 1:

• Don't get the vaccine even though able to, for "reasons".
• Maybe buy a fake vaccine card to go to events not caring about the danger. Risk getting kicked out.
• Have a harder time finding employment that doesn't require vaccination.
• Probably have to take frequent tests to keep that job.
• Have to pay extra for health insurance.
• Could use that fake vaccine card to avoid those, risk being fired and prosecuted for fraud.
• Risk getting COVID and it's implications. Having followed this path, probably assume there is no risk.

Option 2:

• Get the vaccine.
• Comes with a free vaccine card and admission privileges to all the fun vaccinated only stuff, no risk.
• Access to entire job market. Can an employer refuse employment if you're vaccinated, that'll be "fun".
• Rarely need a COVID test, probably not without symptoms.
• Only pay the normal amount for health insurance.
• No risk of job loss or fraud prosecution for lying.
• Protection from serious impacts of COVID

It's hard to imagine any rational "reasons" that make option 1 more attractive. Lots off irrational ones.

For the fewer not able for rational reasons, they'll fit most of the exemptions in option 2 and be more protected surrounded by option 2 people.

Think how much safer WDW or a school would be if everyone 12 and older was vaccinated. Even with people under 12 there at the same time.

 

[GimpYancIent]

The vast majority of air travel is non-essential. They would still have an exception for people with medical conditions. It probably makes sense to do if we are actually worried about safety on planes and slowing spread.

Why don't the vaccine producers think out of the box?, hey!, a vaccine in an aerosol form i.e. for use on aircraft. A large amount of people, in an enclosed environment, recirculated air + gradually infusing the vaccine in mist form = the passengers getting vaccinated over the duration of the flight. A painless way to transport people and vaccinate simultaneously. Just an idea.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Drive your own vehicle. No one is calling for those early FL style border checks to cross state lines.
Just like cruising is a privileged mode of vacation, air travel is - in terms of gained convenience - a luxurious mode of travel. If you want the luxury pay the price. I agree that the price should include vaccination, at least for now.

Cruises do not provide state to state transportation. That is not even remotely comparable.

 

[Andrew C]

Restricting air travel to those with vaccinations is a bit confusing to me given air travel has now shown to be low risk risk for covid spread. Putting restrictions where it isn’t even going to make a dent seems silly IMO.
also. It’s 2021. Air travel is a basic form of transportation.

 

[Chi84]

The ability to travel from state to to state in your own country should not be limited imho. If we are going to close State borders we are going in a scary direction.

COVID is scary, and we need to start getting serious about getting rid of it. Vaccines are by far the most effective way to do this. Makes a heck of a lot more sense than forcing masks on 2-year-olds.

 

[Andrew C]

COVID is scary, and we need to start getting serious about getting rid of it. Vaccines are by far the most effective way to do this. Makes a heck of a lot more sense than forcing masks on 2-year-olds.

2 year old mask thing irks me more than anything.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Good. I sincerely hope they follow through.

Why stop here? How about surcharges for:
Drug use
Smoking
Drinking
Overweight
Underweight
Not enough sleep
Too much sleep
Climbing the roof to put up Christmas decorations (guilty as charged )

 

[Andrew C]

Why stop here? How about surcharges for:
Drug use
Smoking
Drinking
Overweight
Underweight
Not enough sleep
Too much sleep
Climbing the roof to put up Christmas decorations (guilty as charged )

Surcharges for some of those items already exist. Although they sell it to you as a discount for not doing those things.

 

[Lilofan]

Get the booster shot if you are able to. My family member oncologist already gave her a doctors note to show the booster shot location staff for my family member to get the booster shot. At this point no appts just first come first serve to ones that are eligible

 

[sullyinMT]

Cruises do not provide state to state transportation. That is not even remotely comparable.

I only included it as another mode of transportation where people are crammed together with no reasonable way to escape each other’s air for an extended period. In the case of cruising it’s even more necessary for vaccine mandates.

The point stands. In order to share confined space with 200 or more people for a couple hours or more, those people should be vaccinated. Workplaces, night clubs, concerts, planes. You’re more than welcome to drive to wherever, eat outdoors, and not enjoy the local museums or tourist spots at your destination. If that’s too much of a burden or sounds like an unenjoyable trip, do the safe and easy thing and get your shot(s).

 

[Ayla]

Why stop here? How about surcharges for:
Drug use
Smoking
Drinking
Overweight
Underweight
Not enough sleep
Too much sleep
Climbing the roof to put up Christmas decorations (guilty as charged )

Do you have insurance through an employer? Many of those life choices already cost more in premiums.

 

[GoofGoof]

The ability to travel from state to to state in your own country should not be limited imho. If we are going to close State borders we are going in a scary direction.

Nobody said close state borders that is a completely different argument. You could walk, ride a bike, drive, go horse back. Many ways to cross from state to state without flying. Flying is definitely a privilege not a right.