Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[TrainsOfDisney]

Nobody said close state borders that is a completely different argument. You could walk, ride a bike, drive, go horse back. Many ways to cross from state to state without flying. Flying is definitely a privilege not a right.

People should be able to use basic transit services to travel. Travel is a basic right imho just like buying groceries.

If we are talking about going to an amusement park or a broadway show that’s different.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Second, the government needs to get their act together on their messaging. It is impossible to believe anything they say related to COVID when they keep flip-flopping.

1,000% agree with this.

Don’t wear masks they aren’t needed.
You must wear a mask.
Continue to wear a mask after being vacinated.
Oh if your vacinated your good, don’t wear a mask.
Oh wait... If your vacinated you should still wear a mask sometimes... your guess is as good as ours.

What’s next?

 

[sullyinMT]

People should be able to use basic transit services to travel. Travel is a basic right imho just like buying groceries.

If we are talking about going to an amusement park or a broadway show that’s different.

The airlines are private entities. If they were to do this on their own, would you still be opposed? They certainly tried with masks but it wasn’t until the DOT stepped in that misbehaving passengers (mostly) fell in line.

 

[Figgy1]

So, sitting here looking at the options we keep talking about for the 30%-40% of people still holding out.

Option 1:

• Don't get the vaccine even though able to, for "reasons".
• Maybe buy a fake vaccine card to go to events not caring about the danger. Risk getting kicked out.
• Have a harder time finding employment that doesn't require vaccination.
• Probably have to take frequent tests to keep that job.
• Have to pay extra for health insurance.
• Could use that fake vaccine card to avoid those, risk being fired and prosecuted for fraud.
• Risk getting COVID and it's implications. Having followed this path, probably assume there is no risk.

Option 2:

• Get the vaccine.
• Comes with a free vaccine card and admission privileges to all the fun vaccinated only stuff, no risk.
• Access to entire job market. Can an employer refuse employment if you're vaccinated, that'll be "fun".
• Rarely need a COVID test, probably not without symptoms.
• Only pay the normal amount for health insurance.
• No risk of job loss or fraud prosecution for lying.
• Protection from serious impacts of COVID

It's hard to imagine any rational "reasons" that make option 1 more attractive. Lots off irrational ones.

For the fewer not able for rational reasons, they'll fit most of the exemptions in option 2 and be more protected surrounded by option 2 people.

Think how much safer WDW or a school would be if everyone 12 and older was vaccinated. Even with people under 12 there at the same time.

There are at least 2 places that prohibit employees from getting the vaccine

 

[GoofGoof]

People should be able to use basic transit services to travel. Travel is a basic right imho just like buying groceries.

If we are talking about going to an amusement park or a broadway show that’s different.

Agree to disagree then. We need to eat. People don’t need to fly. Also, nobody is saying stop people from traveling anywhere. When I get on an airplane I surrender some of my personal rights already. I have a constitutional protected right to bear arms. I give up that right for the privilege to fly on an airplane.

 

[Chi84]

Third, speaking to people like adults will get you a lot farther than treating people like idiots because they don't share your same perspective.

I tried this with my brother-in-law and he told me that, based on his research, he will be able to avoid COVID because of his diet and the special water and air filtration systems in his home. Also, he found out that the vaccines don’t work against the variants.

So there’s that . . .

 

[Figgy1]

Second, the government needs to get their act together on their messaging. It is impossible to believe anything they say related to COVID when they keep flip-flopping.

1 Information gets updated and circumstances change
2 You joined and your first post is here?

 

[MisterPenguin]

OOF! I just had my 3rd Moderna, and got the full strength. Working on my 5G, of course. Also, I have a fairly sizable case of "Covid arm" this time around.

Be careful of side effects.

 

[mmascari]

The vast majority of air travel is non-essential. They would still have an exception for people with medical conditions. It probably makes sense to do if we are actually worried about safety on planes and slowing spread.

The ability to travel from state to to state in your own country should not be limited imho. If we are going to close State borders we are going in a scary direction.

Those are not the same things.

You can cross state lines:

• Walking on foot.
• Riding a bike.
• In a car
• In a personal boat
• In a personal airplane/hang glider/ultralight/parachute/beneath a kite

We're not really talking about travel restrictions. We're talking about restrictions of groups of people jammed into confined spaces.
A plane, train, bus, ferry boat are all just examples of the group jammed in together. If someone was the only passenger, have at it, assuming the driver is fine, maybe it's the driver with no passengers.

Trains are a little more difficult due to the open nature of most train stations and busses would be pretty close to impossible.

Those hop on hop off city transit trains would be hard. They already just random audit if people even have tickets.

However, the ones that do check tickets, like Amtrak and every subway I've ever seen with turnstiles. They could validate when the ticket is sold. There's ramp up as old tickets in the wild are used up, but for new tickets going forward from a date. They're rather good at making sure you've paid for your ticket, this would be part of the ticket process.

That wouldn't deal with busses generically. There's no ticket for a WDW park bus. But it would handle any ticketed bus, like the MCO transport.


EDIT:

Nobody said close state borders that is a completely different argument. You could walk, ride a bike, drive, go horse back. Many ways to cross from state to state without flying. Flying is definitely a privilege not a right.

I was typing when this was posted. I type super slow, and someone asked a work question in the middle of the post.

 

[GoofGoof]

The airlines are private entities. If they were to do this on their own, would you still be opposed? They certainly tried with masks but it wasn’t until the DOT stepped in that misbehaving passengers (mostly) fell in line.

I think that’s the primary reason we probably won’t see vaccines required to fly. The airlines don‘t want that battle. Now if TSA handled that at security I think the airlines would be more on board. Technically since the TSA is run by the federal government and they control airport access they could require vaccination to enter the airport and that would take th3 airlines out of the process. That’s the only way I see it happening.

 

[havoc315]

I do not agree that vaccines should be required for travel.

For non-essential activities? Sure.

I specified air travel, where you’re in a sealed tin can with hundreds of others, for hours.

Yes, vaccines should be required for essential activities — employment, travel. You want to go live alone in a cabin and live off the land unvaccinated, go for it. You want to participate as an active member of society — get vaccinated.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

We're not really talking about travel restrictions. We're talking about restrictions of groups of people jammed into confined spaces.

If an airplane isn’t travel I don’t know what it is.

 

[Andrew C]

We're not really talking about travel restrictions. We're talking about restrictions of groups of people jammed into confined spaces.
A plane, train, bus, ferry boat are all just examples of the group jammed in together.

Not all confined spaces are equal and shouldn’t be treated as such.

 

[mmascari]

Nobody said close state borders that is a completely different argument. You could walk, ride a bike, drive, go horse back. Many ways to cross from state to state without flying. Flying is definitely a privilege not a right.

I completely forget horse back, and we used to own a horse. Doh.

 

[GoofGoof]

Totally agree. Sometimes people need to fly for medical reasons or to get a family member urgently. It is the same as other forms of transportation. So many here are so willing to give up our rights for fear of the virus just like we gave up rights after 911.

It’s pretty easy to allow a medical exemption. That’s no reason to not require it.

 

[mmascari]

If an airplane isn’t travel I don’t know what it is.

But that's not the restriction.

An airplane may be travel, but not all travel is an airplane.

We're not even talking about all airplanes. Someone wants to fly a private plane, go for it with whatever combinations of unvaccinated friends you want.

We're talking specifically about an airplane with general public ticketing that combines a large number of random people all in the same confined space.

That is not all airplanes.
It's definitely not all travel.

 

[lazyboy97o]

1 Information gets updated and circumstances change
2 You joined and your first post is here?

Isn’t it amazing how many “new” members have the same concerns?

 

[Figgy1]

Isn’t it amazing how many “new” members have the same concerns?

With almost the same exact wording

 

[Patcheslee]

Why stop here? How about surcharges for:
Drug use
Smoking
Drinking
Overweight
Underweight
Not enough sleep
Too much sleep
Climbing the roof to put up Christmas decorations (guilty as charged )

I already pay a premium for smoking and for my BMI not being high enough.

 

[Chomama]

I already pay a premium for smoking and for my BMI not being high enough.

Quit smoking?