Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[mmascari]

Totally agree. Sometimes people need to fly for medical reasons or to get a family member urgently. It is the same as other forms of transportation. So many here are so willing to give up our rights for fear of the virus just like we gave up rights after 911.

Medical reasons they cannot get the vaccine?

There is a poster like that. Not a single person thinks they should be excluded from anything requiring vaccination, it's an easy exception with very valid reasons.

Medical reasons like a loved one is in the hospital and they want to fly across the county before they die?

To bad. They made their choice to not get vaccinated and the restrictions that come with that. If that means they don't get across the country fast enough, that's an outcome they should have considered when they made their decision. There's a gazillion other reasons they wouldn't make that flight. Not being vaccinated is just one more. Get a car and start driving.

 

[correcaminos]

People should have control over their own bodies and there are varying reasons for those that have chosen not to vaccinate. First off what about those with natural immunity? The CDC is ignoring natural immunity which many studies have shown produces a robust long-lived immunity. If you want people to trust the science then you have to go by the science.

Second, the government needs to get their act together on their messaging. It is impossible to believe anything they say related to COVID when they keep flip-flopping.

Third, speaking to people like adults will get you a lot farther than treating people like idiots because they don't share your same perspective.

There are so many people on this message board that are for forcing vaccination I cannot believe that we are in America. I truly worry about this country and its ability to stay free when we have so many people that are just so divided at this period of time.

No they aren't

Coronavirus Disease 2019

CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.

www.cdc.gov

Edit to add

Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19...

This report describes COVID-19 reinfection among vaccinated and unvaccinated persons in Kentucky.

www.cdc.gov

2.34x more likely is big...

Most in the government promote vaccination. Those who don't have weird political agendas. As for masks or no masks, that's due to clarifying with science. And adults not vaccinating which always makes spread worse no matter the disease

I'm not into forcing people to vaccinate but I am so darn tired of those who won't without just cause.

 

[mf1972]

i learned recently 2 of my coworkers filed for medical exemptions to avoid getting the vaccine. to put it mildly, they’re very political about it. i also learned of 3-4 ultrasound techs are leaving. 1 retiring, the others resigning. ultimately it’s their choice wether i agree with it or not.

 

[havoc315]

It won't work for every person but it will work for a lot of them.



Yes, information changes but that is not what has happened with flip-flopping Fauci. We all know that he has not been following the science and has repeated lied to Americans for whatever reasons. He lost all credibility with his first lie over masking.

Everything you just said is false.

I don’t know why there is this organized effort to discredit amazing people like Fauci, an incredible scientist and public servant who has been working to protect us from infection for decades.

Yes, I have been a long time lurker and just felt compelled to post. The lack of talking about natural immunity is frustrating.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I already pay a premium for smoking and for my BMI not being high enough.

I never knew employers actually did this. Another reason to be unionized?

 

[mmascari]

Yes, I have been a long time lurker and just felt compelled to post. The lack of talking about natural immunity is frustrating.

You missed a bunch of discussion then.

What was the natural dose?
Was it mild or severe?
Did it really happen or just assume it was COVID and not something else?
Was that dose studied to understand if it was sufficient?
Was the variant of infection enough to elicit a broad response to other variants?

I don’t doubt some natural infections are good enough. But there are a lot of variables to just assume they’re all good. Getting the vaccine gives someone a controlled and standard dose with it’s studied response.

We don’t base policy on “might be good enough”, but on known responses.

Getting a vaccine brings all of that evidence, standards, and efficacy study data.

If someone wants to do all that work to show that their own random personal immunity meets the same efficacy standards, go for it. It's going to cost more and be more work than just getting a vaccine that conveys all of the information.

 

[DCBaker]

Miami Herald is reporting hospitalizations in Florida have surpassed 17,000 -

"Despite a lower number of hospitals reporting, Florida continued to set records in current COVID-19 hospitalizations and COVID patients in intensive care units, surpassing 17,000 and 3,600, respectively.

That’s according to data reported Wednesday morning by the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services from 232 hospitals. Most of the past two weeks, the number of hospitals reporting has ranged from 250 to 258.

The 17,096 people hospitalized represents a 37.8% rise from the 12,408 reported on Aug. 5.

As for COVID-19 patients in intensive care unit beds, that head count is up to 3,610, a 50% leap from the 2,406 reported on Aug. 5. The 3,610 represent 55% of the people in ICU beds in the reporting hospitals."

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article253571999.html

The case total today being reported from the Florida Hospital Association is 23,335 (this has not been reflected in the CDC data tracker yet).

 

[Figgy1]

One doctor has stopped treating unvaxxed patients https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a...fusing-to-treat-them/ar-AANsWhf?ocid=msedgntp

 

[sullyinMT]

One doctor has stopped treating unvaxxed patients https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a...fusing-to-treat-them/ar-AANsWhf?ocid=msedgntp

It's very tiring on the psyche. I'm not in a position to admit or deny care, I'm just an order follower in my role. But, in some ways, I admire this physician for essentially admitting that he's so mentally exhausted and frustrated and that he admits his bias and agitation will get in the way of providing the best quality care to his patients.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Not all confined spaces are equal and shouldn’t be treated as such.

For me, the point is to get as many mandates in place as possible and to make them as strict as possible. Being vaccinated needs to become the default position. If people want to remain unvaxxed (and don't have a very valid medical reason for doing so) they should be largely excluded from society.

I'm done with the games, and I don't think I'm alone. This pandemic has devastated us for more then a year and is continuing to do so because of the misdirected rage and selfishness of a portion of the society. The idea that the right to refuse vaccines is the lynchpin of freedom is nonsense that has become widespread since 2019, not some foundational American belief. It is the product of very recent cultural and political developments. Anti-vaccination beliefs need to be driven back to the fringes of the national conversation, where they used to skulk.

 

[Basil of Baker Street]

The airlines are private entities. If they were to do this on their own, would you still be opposed? They certainly tried with masks but it wasn’t until the DOT stepped in that misbehaving passengers (mostly) fell in line.

As many times as the airlines have been bailed out, I have a hard time calling them a "private entity"

 

[correcaminos]

One doctor has stopped treating unvaxxed patients https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a...fusing-to-treat-them/ar-AANsWhf?ocid=msedgntp

A friend of mine who is a doctor in a hospital shared this one

Op-Ed: As a doctor in a COVID unit, I'm running out of compassion for the unvaccinated. Get the shot

A doctor featured in a Times article published Sunday on the latest wave of COVID-19 speaks for herself in a searing letter to unvaccinated people.

www.latimes.com

 

[Smooth]

Natural immunity to Covid is strong – study

covid-19

www.observer.ug

Delta Variant: Natural Immunity 700% Better Than the Vaccine

Analysis by Dr. Joseph MercolaFact Checked July 27, 2021 STORY AT-A-GLANCE Data presented to the Israeli Health Ministry July 17, 2021, revealed that, of the more than 7,700 COVID-19 cases reported since May 2021, only 72 occurred in people who had previously had COVID-19 — a rate of less...

www.drcharlesbens.com

 

[correcaminos]

Natural immunity to Covid is strong – study

covid-19

www.observer.ug

Delta Variant: Natural Immunity 700% Better Than the Vaccine

Analysis by Dr. Joseph MercolaFact Checked July 27, 2021 STORY AT-A-GLANCE Data presented to the Israeli Health Ministry July 17, 2021, revealed that, of the more than 7,700 COVID-19 cases reported since May 2021, only 72 occurred in people who had previously had COVID-19 — a rate of less...

www.drcharlesbens.com

AAAS

stm.sciencemag.org

So since we'll go back and forth all day on this, how about covid+ past patients just get the darn shot.

 

[sullyinMT]

As many times as the airlines have been bailed out, I have a hard time calling them a "private entity"

Ok, then. Since so many Americans are heavy beneficiaries of government services (military protection, infrastructure, schools, parks, code inspectors that ensure your home was properly built or renovated) and/or money, we are also "government entities." Our freedom is a façade, and we should be held down while they vaccinate every last one of us. Problem solved.

Sure, we pay taxes and get occasional stimulus money or more permanent services in return. Airlines (and other historically bailed out industries) also pay a pretty good amount of money in taxes and fees. Not proportional at the moment, or with last year's receipts, but the GM bailout eventually paid off. So, common good and all that. Not usually a fan of such phrases, but uncommon times call for outside the box thinking.

 

[Smooth]

AAAS

stm.sciencemag.org

So since we'll go back and forth all day on this, how about covid+ past patients just get the darn shot.

Right. I understand. This just illustrates the point that there is a lot of back and forth with all of this. I'm not arguing.

 

[sullyinMT]

One doctor has stopped treating unvaxxed patients https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a...fusing-to-treat-them/ar-AANsWhf?ocid=msedgntp

A friend of mine who is a doctor in a hospital shared this one

Op-Ed: As a doctor in a COVID unit, I'm running out of compassion for the unvaccinated. Get the shot

A doctor featured in a Times article published Sunday on the latest wave of COVID-19 speaks for herself in a searing letter to unvaccinated people.

www.latimes.com

We have ties to OK in my home, so this one hit pretty hard, too:

https://www.newson6.com/story/610b2...usted-facing-low-morale-as-pandemic-drags-on-

 

[Lilofan]

So does that mean we now need to lock down forever?

If that's what you made of the article. I don't think so.

 

[Lilofan]

Medical reasons they cannot get the vaccine?

There is a poster like that. Not a single person thinks they should be excluded from anything requiring vaccination, it's an easy exception with very valid reasons.

Medical reasons like a loved one is in the hospital and they want to fly across the county before they die?

To bad. They made their choice to not get vaccinated and the restrictions that come with that. If that means they don't get across the country fast enough, that's an outcome they should have considered when they made their decision. There's a gazillion other reasons they wouldn't make that flight. Not being vaccinated is just one more. Get a car and start driving.

When push comes to shove some anti vaxers will roll up their sleeves. A local guy got covid, recovered and still refuses to get vaccinated. A few years ago the same guy wanted to be in the operating room to witness the birth of his child. He submitted and reluctantly rolled up his sleeve to get a flu shot per the doctor if he wanted to witness the birth.

 

[Muffinpants]

My nurse friend had a lady visiting a patient all week. Comes intoday and while visiting gets her "I'm positive" email. Than proceeded to ask if she could stay. So she came into the hospital in the intensive care area and thought it was ok when she thought she had covid...

This world would be alot better if people thought of everyone and not just people in there bubble. Mask up around children get the shot if you can. If your sick stay away from others as best you can. I don't understand this world we live in and it makes me so sad.