Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Heppenheimer

Heppenheimer

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helenabear said:
My 13yo doesn't even want to hear that it will be okay. These kids are learning how little some people really don't care about others.

While I'm slightly saddened we'll start the year with masks in school (knowing the vaccination percentage in my district is super high) I get that the 6th grade kids (11 yos) have no choice. My kid was going to wear a mask anyway indoors and letting it optional outside. That's what our district mandated so it aligned with what we were going to do anyway.

No lockers again this year. No normalcy which kind of stinks. I am hoping that winter with vaccines will change things at our school. I am very sure our 8th grade trip will be off which disappoints me. We'll find a way to make it up. It's disappointing because we didn't have to be this way at this point, but we are.

Last night with the parent at our door showed me how insane people are - and to make this crazy, yes it's public record but they have never ever been to our house before. They didn't even check to make sure they had the right house before confronting us on our property. All because a few other parents with young kids and high-risk family members were getting concerned and innocently the kids asked each other. My kid being one of them since he's friends with kids in the group outside of it and others are not.

This is the insanity we are dealing with.
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Wait, can you explain that last paragraph? I'm not sure I understand. Someone confronted you, on your own property, about vaccines?
 
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Lilofan

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helenabear said:
My 13yo doesn't even want to hear that it will be okay. These kids are learning how little some people really don't care about others.

While I'm slightly saddened we'll start the year with masks in school (knowing the vaccination percentage in my district is super high) I get that the 6th grade kids (11 yos) have no choice. My kid was going to wear a mask anyway indoors and letting it optional outside. That's what our district mandated so it aligned with what we were going to do anyway.

No lockers again this year. No normalcy which kind of stinks. I am hoping that winter with vaccines will change things at our school. I am very sure our 8th grade trip will be off which disappoints me. We'll find a way to make it up. It's disappointing because we didn't have to be this way at this point, but we are.

Last night with the parent at our door showed me how insane people are - and to make this crazy, yes it's public record but they have never ever been to our house before. They didn't even check to make sure they had the right house before confronting us on our property. All because a few other parents with young kids and high-risk family members were getting concerned and innocently the kids asked each other. My kid being one of them since he's friends with kids in the group outside of it and others are not.

This is the insanity we are dealing with.
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That's a bizarre visit from a parent at your door. The only vocal ones against mask mandates in schools are some neighbors putting up yard signs on their front lawn saying " Unmask our kids!".
 
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DisneyFan32

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LaughingGravy said:
If a vaccine resistant ( seriously resistant) strain emerges, WDW closing permanently will be least of our problems.
IMO, there is still time, but not for too much longer.
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Is really gonna happen if a vaccine resistant stain is REALLY gonna happen anytime soon, I'm so scared about now...:eek:
 
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DisneyFan32

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jlhwdw said:
The irony is that places like Walt Disney World can't afford to close again for multiple reasons, no matter how bad it gets. But if it get bad enough where a vaccine resistant strain of COVID emerges, places like Walt Disney World will be in legitimate danger of closing permanently.
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I've got bad feeling about this that vaccine resistant strain could be happen anytime soon but is this REALLY gonna happen or not...
 
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Lilofan

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Virtual Toad said:
It defies logic and reason in every conceivable way possible. I don’t even recognize the reality our children are being forced to grow up in. I really don’t. All I can do is force a smile and tell them it’s going to be okay.
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The kids when they grow up then will view video, social media to view the craziness of the past. Back in the day one needed to go to the local library and view past events on black and white microfilm.
 
correcaminos

correcaminos

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Heppenheimer said:
Wait, can you explain that last paragraph? I'm not sure I understand. Someone confronted you, on your own property, about vaccines?
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I posted last night. My kid is in a Dungeons and Dragons group where my husband offered to be dungeon master since none of the kids were good at it. We kind of run the group because of that only. Another kid actually had run it, but having an adult plan and take over has worked well. All the kids are 8th grade and 13 or maybe 14 at this point.

A few in the group have family members who cannot be vaccinated due to age. One has a family member in a memory care unit as well which means they are trying to be cautious. If their kid unvaccinated gets sick and passes it on, it could be devastating. So some parents were asking if anyone was not vaccinated so they could take extra precautions. Last week we did outside only for in person meeting - our first in 18 months. We've been doing online for over a year now prior. Before it gets cold or we move indoors, parents asked us innocently to find out if all were vaccinated.

So we e-mailed a parent and my kid asked the other kid via text letting them know it was for planning and hosting purposes only. That was on Monday. Last night, unannounced a parent came to our house (never been here before) and called us cowards. Apparently, the parent came to intimidate my spouse (both male). I came out and suddenly he refused to talk and try to figure out why we were asking. As I tried to talk to him I was threatened with physical violence. Threatened to call the cops on me on my own property.

All because some parents wanted to know what was safe for their families. We had contacted the parents via e-mail (they never gave us their number) but they jumped on a crazy train and threatened us. That kind of unhinged and insane response is over the top.

Edit: and before y'all think we're Jerry Springer like here, we are not. A fairly affluent neighborhood with a 70%+ vaccination rate for the specific city we are in. Monday night city council said we were closer to 80% vaccinated now for those who can.

Lilofan said:
That's a bizarre visit from a parent at your door. The only vocal ones against mask mandates in schools are some neighbors putting up yard signs on their front lawn saying " Unmask our kids!".
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It was very unsettling honestly. Like beyond okay to me. I knew them years ago when our kids were in K together (now 8th) and they moved away. I tried to reach out to the mom and explain. We'll see where it goes. All over D&D.... ugh. I had to let the parent who was asking status for their safety last night and they were just gobsmacked and apologetic that their seemingly innocent question resulted in this.
 
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GimpYancIent

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jlhwdw said:
The irony is that places like Walt Disney World can't afford to close again for multiple reasons, no matter how bad it gets. But if it get bad enough where a vaccine resistant strain of COVID emerges, places like Walt Disney World will be in legitimate danger of closing permanently.
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:oops:
 
Andrew C

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
LaughingGravy said:
The only way to do a proper shut down at this point and not stop all travel is to require vaccinations and masks as well as immunization buffer for any travelers, with severe penalties including instant jail for any mask trouble makers on flights. Clearly fines are not enough.
If we want to end this, we need to get serious. We have tried just about every nice way.
I am still an advocate of a deadline for vaccination with an immunization buffer and after that, healthcare will still be provided, but at incredible cost to the willfull offender, not covered by insurance, unless for a medical reason ONLY. Religious exemptions are out.
Wanna lose your house over this?

Now, maybe this Delta isn't enough of a motivator, but as we delay (because that is what we are doing) and provide a great environment for it to mutate, we may end up with an Ebola like variant that not only kills more visibly and quickly, but also completely goes past the existing vaccines.
We got relatively lucky with the existing vaccines. It may not happen in such a quick time next time.
Then, perhaps?
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Interesting take...
 
Heppenheimer

Heppenheimer

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helenabear said:
I posted last night. My kid is in a Dungeons and Dragons group where my husband offered to be dungeon master since none of the kids were good at it. We kind of run the group because of that only. Another kid actually had run it, but having an adult plan and take over has worked well. All the kids are 8th grade and 13 or maybe 14 at this point.

A few in the group have family members who cannot be vaccinated due to age. One has a family member in a memory care unit as well which means they are trying to be cautious. If their kid unvaccinated gets sick and passes it on, it could be devastating. So some parents were asking if anyone was not vaccinated so they could take extra precautions. Last week we did outside only for in person meeting - our first in 18 months. We've been doing online for over a year now prior. Before it gets cold or we move indoors, parents asked us innocently to find out if all were vaccinated.

So we e-mailed a parent and my kid asked the other kid via text letting them know it was for planning and hosting purposes only. That was on Monday. Last night, unannounced a parent came to our house (never been here before) and called us cowards. Apparently, the parent came to intimidate my spouse (both male). I came out and suddenly he refused to talk and try to figure out why we were asking. As I tried to talk to him I was threatened with physical violence. Threatened to call the cops on me on my own property.

All because some parents wanted to know what was safe for their families. We had contacted the parents via e-mail (they never gave us their number) but they jumped on a crazy train and threatened us. That kind of unhinged and insane response is over the top.

Edit: and before y'all think we're Jerry Springer like here, we are not. A fairly affluent neighborhood with a 70%+ vaccination rate for the specific city we are in. Monday night city council said we were closer to 80% vaccinated now for those who can.


It was very unsettling honestly. Like beyond okay to me. I knew them years ago when our kids were in K together (now 8th) and they moved away. I tried to reach out to the mom and explain. We'll see where it goes. All over D&D.... ugh. I had to let the parent who was asking status for their safety last night and they were just gobsmacked and apologetic that their seemingly innocent question resulted in this.
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That is absolutely disgusting.

I'm kind of wondering... deep down, do the refuseniks know they're wrong and is all this anger we see from them part of an inner conflict boiling over to the surface? In a logical world, the people who have done and continue to do the right thing are the ones who should be angry.
 
Andrew C

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
Heppenheimer said:
That is absolutely disgusting.

I'm kind of wondering... deep down, do the refuseniks know they're wrong and is all this anger we see from them part of an inner conflict boiling over to the surface? In a logical world, the people who have done and continue to do the right thing are the ones who should be angry.
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I think there are some people who are just like this anyways...that is who they are as a person. This is their reaction in any disagreement, and it is only enhanced in this particular situation.
 
Heppenheimer

Heppenheimer

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Andrew C said:
I think there are some people who are just like this anyways...that is who they are as a person. This is their reaction in any disagreement, and it is only enhanced in this particular situation.
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I sometimes wonder what happened to the kids I knew growing up who were real arschlochs at the time. I guess this is them as adults.

And oddly enough, most of their hostility was directed at the academic achievers. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
 
Disney Analyst

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DonniePeverley said:
Women on flight refused to wear mask - despite it being policy when she bought ticket.

For no reason at all, despite pleas to wear the one provided in seat pocket, she refused. Then refused to get out of seat. Had to call on board police to take her off. She get's up and leaves.

She was smartly dressed, not drunk, yet she couldn't do this simple request for a 2 hour flight, and was happy to be escorted of the plane.

What type of nonsense is this and how have people got so much time to waste like this? There are all sorts of inconveniences we have to endure even just at an airport. No doubt she was happy to haul her body through an x-ray machine, phyiscal searches, long queues, no liquids, but no to a mask.

The place has gone mad.
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We were just discussing this recently. People scream about their freedoms, but didn’t bat at an eye after 9/11 and measures were taken to ramp up security and safety for planes (rightfully so).

The amount of stuff that changed post 9/11. Masks are literally nothing.
 
correcaminos

correcaminos

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Heppenheimer said:
That is absolutely disgusting.

I'm kind of wondering... deep down, do the refuseniks know they're wrong and is all this anger we see from them part of an inner conflict boiling over to the surface? In a logical world, the people who have done and continue to do the right thing are the ones who should be angry.
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Could be! Honestly, I have never met the one parent before until last night. So I cannot comment if that might be it or something else. The other parent seemed quite nice and I know was reasonable when talking through snacks for kids' allergies in K in the classroom. I never expected that where we live.
Andrew C said:
I think there are some people who are just like this anyways...that is who they are as a person. This is their reaction in any disagreement, and it is only enhanced in this particular situation.
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.This is true for some too. I really have no idea as I never met him. I can say that he was shaking and likely having a 5' woman not afraid of him really messed with his plans. My kid has never seen me defend anyone like that. No shouting, just stern, and trying to reason at the same time. He never had the need to watch me that way before, as usually it's dealt with normally. He said he was proud that I'd stand up to a "not so nice" situation. Definitely not a mama bear type, but oh boy must have hit me last night!
 
TrainsOfDisney

TrainsOfDisney

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Disney Analyst said:
We were just discussing this recently. People scream about their freedoms, but didn’t bat at an eye after 9/11 and measures were taken to ramp up security and safety for planes (rightfully so).

The amount of stuff that changed post 9/11. Masks are literally nothing.
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That’s not true. Many people disagree with the security screening measures that have been put in place. I’m one of them.
 
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