Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Trauma

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oceanbreeze77 said:
A lot of people keep saying "its the plague of the unvaccinated," or "if youre vaccinated dont worry so much about it" etc. But for me, this feels like the first variant that could actually pose a significant threat to the progress we have made. What makes me feel this way is the rising cases mixed in with lack of restrictions, AND although the research is limited, preliminary research regarding the vaccines effectiveness against Delta is a little alarming. So While I am worried and sad about the spread for the sake of others, I'm also worried for myself and other vaccinated people. Hopefully we can act quick enough.
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By a lot of people what you mean is the medical experts ?
 
Angel Ariel

Angel Ariel

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Trauma said:
I’m amazed at your school districts.

The students that I know that where infected have no idea where they caught it.

Matter of fact the majority of people don’t.

Your school district on the other hand …
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School districts in my area aren’t the one making the determination. They report cases to the health department and the health department does contact tracing.
 
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sup

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I heard on the news this morning, July 22nd, 2021, 92% of Florida's rush are non vaccinated. Such irresponsibility.
87 % of new covid in the whole country, non vaccinated. Such irresponsibility. The ones who test positive and are vaccinated, feel like they have a light flu. The ones dying are the non vaccinated. Such, Such irresponsibility.
 
correcaminos

correcaminos

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Trauma said:
I’m not being snotty.

If you actually think all those kids got sick out of school then good on you.
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So I am a liar or my district is as well then? Okay... look, I get it, you're stressed. This year has utterly sucked. We did a ton of quarantining among the kids - and I mean there was a point where we had hundreds out and not one single kid was sick from school. Our kids were masked all day outside of eating. Other than band where they had bags and filters on the end of horns with holes in masks for kids to wear, unless they were special needs (which had a whole other method of protection for the kids and staff), they wore masks all the time. I mean all the time. For lunch they spaced the kids out 6' apart always. Assigned seats. Requiring washing and sanitizing before/after eating.

No one got sick from that. No one. School of about 7500 as I said. Total sick last year through now was 442 (or whatever number I posted previously). Guess where the kids got sick? Outside of school. Doing close contact sports. Doing things that didn't have social distancing or masks. That's where they were sick. Sure some were school sports, but in classes and including lunch no one was sick. No one.

Act like I'm making crap up, fine, don't care, but if you are going to say you weren't being snotty? You just were in that last reply to me.

Being this way is not going to fix anything. Much like screaming for national vaccine passports - it's not going to happen, so why try pushing for it? Be real. Be flexible. Be full of ideas. Don't be dismissive and rude when someone is saying I don't really think lunch is your concern here.
 
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Trauma

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Angel Ariel said:
School districts in my area aren’t the one making the determination. They report cases to the health department and the health department does contact tracing.
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Yup.

The contact tracing was as follows here.

Was there close contact within the last 48 hours with someone who has tested positive for Covid - 19.

Close contact is defined as being within six feet or less for more than fifteen minutes with someone who is COVID-19 positive.

If no then it didn’t come from school had to be somewhere else.
 
hopemax

hopemax

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oceanbreeze77 said:
A lot of people keep saying "its the plague of the unvaccinated," or "if youre vaccinated dont worry so much about it" etc. But for me, this feels like the first variant that could actually pose a significant threat to the progress we have made. What makes me feel this way is the rising cases mixed in with lack of restrictions, AND although the research is limited, preliminary research regarding the vaccines effectiveness against Delta is a little alarming. So While I am worried and sad about the spread for the sake of others, I'm also worried for myself and other vaccinated people. Hopefully we can act quick enough.
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The comment I saw today, is just because you are vaccinated doesn't mean you have to "stress test" the vaccine at every opportunity.

If your risk for any given encounter is 88% less, if you subject yourself to thousands of encounters instead of hundreds, something might eventually get through. So don't freak out, especially with normal casual encounters. But it is still reasonable for people, if they choose, to opt out of things like the Euro Final which caused so much trouble in London. Just continue to be mindful of the limitations of vaccines.
 
Andrew C

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oceanbreeze77 said:
but millions of people also got JnJ. The preliminary data on JnJ is not very comforting. Hopefully in coming weeks the data will show better results.
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Talking about the study that showed a 33% efficacy rate? That hasn't been fully digested yet and I believe they only looked at the antibody response but not T-cells. There is another study published last week that looked at antibody response that showed good results.

And there are other studies that are promising as well. Such as one showing that over 90% of the breakthrough cases for people that received the J&J shot were mild.
 
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sup

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I am for non vaccinated people being banned from Walmart, Mall, Disney, Public Parks, ect. You go somewhere show your proof of vaccination or stay home. Then we see how quickly this nightmare goes away. You don't have to get vaccinated but you do have to stay home or away from public places. All business should do this for the sake of our country. How much more can we take. Walmart brings groceries to a persons home now.
 
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oceanbreeze77

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hopemax said:
The comment I saw today, is just because you are vaccinated doesn't mean you have to "stress test" the vaccine at every opportunity.

If your risk for any given encounter is 88% less, if you subject yourself to thousands of encounters instead of hundreds, something might eventually get through. So don't freak out, especially with normal casual encounters. But it is still reasonable for people, if they choose, to opt out of things like the Euro Final which caused so much trouble in London. Just continue to be mindful of the limitations of vaccines.
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Should have noted in my original post, but I am not as worried about breakthrough infection as I am more concerned about the aspect of it mutating into something that can evade the vaccines. With so many people mingling with each other, with no restrictions,and with no indication of who is vaccinated and who is not, it seems like a recipe for disaster. When the UK and SA variant were making the rounds, we had many restrictions still in place, they caused many infections, but there was still a very proactive effort to end the pandemic. Now with Delta, it has the freedom to spread.
 
Figgy1

Figgy1

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sup said:
I am for non vaccinated people being banned from Walmart, Mall, Disney, Public Parks, ect. You go somewhere show your proof of vaccination or stay home. Then we see how quickly this nightmare goes away. You don't have to get vaccinated but you do have to stay home or away from public places. All business should do this for the sake of our country. How much more can we take. Walmart brings groceries to a persons home now.
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I'd add an age and medical exemption with mandatory masking
 
ImperfectPixie

ImperfectPixie

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oceanbreeze77 said:
Should have noted in my original post, but I am not as worried about breakthrough infection as I am more concerned about the aspect of it mutating into something that can evade the vaccines. With so many people mingling with each other, with no restrictions,and with no indication of who is vaccinated and who is not, it seems like a recipe for disaster. When the UK and SA variant were making the rounds, we had many restrictions still in place, they caused many infections, but there was still a very proactive effort to end the pandemic. Now with Delta, it has the freedom to spread.
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That's huge in my mind, too.
 
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DisneyFan32

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oceanbreeze77 said:
Should have noted in my original post, but I am not as worried about breakthrough infection as I am more concerned about the aspect of it mutating into something that can evade the vaccines. With so many people mingling with each other, with no restrictions,and with no indication of who is vaccinated and who is not, it seems like a recipe for disaster. When the UK and SA variant were making the rounds, we had many restrictions still in place, they caused many infections, but there was still a very proactive effort to end the pandemic. Now with Delta, it has the freedom to spread.
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We need to end to stop Delta variant spreading faster as we will end the pandemic as we will force unvaccinated people to get vaccinating faster!
 
Wendy Pleakley

Wendy Pleakley

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sup said:
I am for non vaccinated people being banned from Walmart, Mall, Disney, Public Parks, ect. You go somewhere show your proof of vaccination or stay home. Then we see how quickly this nightmare goes away. You don't have to get vaccinated but you do have to stay home or away from public places. All business should do this for the sake of our country. How much more can we take. Walmart brings groceries to a persons home now.
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I don't disagree that this would be a good idea, but I don't think it's realistic as business simply can't afford to turn away that many paying customers. If it was a matter of a few holdouts it would be one thing, but hard to see it happening with the current vaccine numbers.

Alternatively, organizations can put severe restrictions on the unvaccinated, like at least one cruise line is doing.

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Royal Caribbean’s 4,275-passenger Freedom of the Seas has restarted sailings from Miami to the Bahamas, but is treating vaccinated and non-vaccinated passengers differently, reports Bloomberg.

The maritime-themed Schooner Bar pub and Viking Crown nightclub, the casino, art auctions, and the indoor Solarium pool and bar, will be barred to unvaccinated passengers.

Unvaccinated passengers who go to a show have to sit in a segregated area in the back of the theatre. They can only use the gym during specified hours.
 
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