Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Trauma]

That's a good question. I've not seen any studies, but I have heard anecdotally that more younger people are being hospitalized than expected (but I'm not sure if that includes children).

Since it’s mostly younger people that are not vaccinated wouldn’t that make sense ?

 

[Trauma]

What is your end goal?

Do you really think people here aren't scared about Delta and what that means for their children when school resumes in the fall?

At this point it really seems like you're arguing just to argue. No one here has any control over which mitigations will be in effect where they live - they need to work within the confines of the choices presented to them.

You're continued arguing is far from helpful.

Not arguing to argue.

Arguing to prove a point.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Since it’s mostly younger people that are not vaccinated wouldn’t that make sense ?

More than expected. Meaning vaccination rates aren't the only thing at play.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Not arguing to argue.

Arguing to prove a point.

What point?!? That being in the middle of a world-wide pandemic in which some people are actively sabotaging our efforts to get the virus under control is a gigantic suck-fest? I'm pretty sure we're all well aware of that.

 

[mmascari]

This letter is to inform you that a student in the Senior class and a student in the Special Education Transition program have tested positive for COVID-19. The building was notified of the positive tests on May 17th. Upon receiving this information, the Administration completed a comprehensive contact tracing investigation in conjunction with the Cook County Health Department. The investigation concluded that the Senior student was last in the building for in-person learning on May 11th. The student in the Transition program was last in the building for in-person learning on May 14th. If you were not directly contacted prior to receiving this notification, you and your student were not part of the defined close contact group with possible exposure. Close contact is defined as being within six feet or less for more than fifteen minutes with someone who is COVID-19 positive.
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Would you like me to post the other 80+ emails I have just like this ?

That doesn't mean transmission was rampant at school, just that lots of people who also go to school were infected. They also do lots of stuff.

Maybe they got it at school, maybe not.
Maybe a ton of people were notified directly about a contact, maybe not.

There's a ton of people in a school, there was a ton of community spread going on, of course there was a bunch of people in both groups.

That doesn't mean the transmission was at the school. Just that it was somewhere in the community.

We don't send out an email every time some at the school gets a splinter someplace during their day. If we did, you might think the school was a splinter causing machine with dozens of incidents everyday. Really, it would just tell you people get splinters and they also go to school. It wouldn't tell if you they got the splinters in school or not.

So, they might have and they might not, this letter isn't enough information on it's own. Now, if you got 80+ emails about a close contact, and with each of those one of the close contacts also became infected, then you could say that spread was happening at school since you're showing transmission between contacts.

 

[Andrew C]

Someone with an education can phrase it much more eloquently than I.

Thank you.

Back to my less eloquent summary.

Your kid is not safe in school.

You can write out your 47 step plan to keep them safe.

This is not the same situation as last year.

Glad school worked out last year.

This is 300% worse.

I understand all this is to keep your kids “more safe”

We need to define what is an acceptable level of safety to begin with.

If “more safe” does not meet the minimum threshold of what we define as safe, that’s a big problem.

This is a confusing sentence for me but I’ll try it.

If we have parents who feel safe sending their kids to school, because they are being “more safe”, when in reality they are not safe, then the level of safety has been obfuscated by the layers of “more safe” mitigation’s, that end up falling short of the end goal.

I think you are seriously overestimating the risk to kids. Especially elementary age. But...it isn't my place to tell other parents what to do.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

That doesn't mean transmission was rampant at school, just that lots of people who also go to school were infected. They also do lots of stuff.

Maybe they got it at school, maybe not.
Maybe a ton of people were notified directly about a contact, maybe not.

There's a ton of people in a school, there was a ton of community spread going on, of course there was a bunch of people in both groups.

That doesn't mean the transmission was at the school. Just that it was somewhere in the community.

We don't send out an email every time some at the school gets a splinter someplace during their day. If we did, you might think the school was a splinter causing machine with dozens of incidents everyday. Really, it would just tell you people get splinters and they also go to school. It wouldn't tell if you they got the splinters in school or not.

So, they might have and they might not, this letter isn't enough information on it's own. Now, if you got 80+ emails about a close contact, and with each of those one of the close contacts also became infected, then you could say that spread was happening at school since you're showing transmission between contacts.

This is why I was so grateful when they set up the district dashboard here...it provided a lot more insight into what was really going on.

 

[correcaminos]

This letter is to inform you that a student in the Senior class and a student in the Special Education Transition program have tested positive for COVID-19. The building was notified of the positive tests on May 17th. Upon receiving this information, the Administration completed a comprehensive contact tracing investigation in conjunction with the Cook County Health Department. The investigation concluded that the Senior student was last in the building for in-person learning on May 11th. The student in the Transition program was last in the building for in-person learning on May 14th. If you were not directly contacted prior to receiving this notification, you and your student were not part of the defined close contact group with possible exposure. Close contact is defined as being within six feet or less for more than fifteen minutes with someone who is COVID-19 positive.
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Would you like me to post the other 80+ emails I have just like this ?

Um, that's not an e-mail about a setup. That's simply about a case found in school. Also e-mails like this are notices of a case, not proving a case was contracted in school. Neither of which is what I was talking about.

My kid had distanced lunches and classrooms. We never had to quarantine because he was never more than 15 minutes sans a mask (even at lunch) all while being distanced. Granted during the height of the pandemic, we were remote. But still this is not telling me what I want to know.

Were classrooms distanced? Who wore masks? How many cases of IN SCHOOL transmission were recorded? Did anyone quarantined ever get sick? What you posted is just a notice, and really not alarming to me.

My school had 442 confirmed cases out of both school and staff (like 7500 total). None of those were due to in school contact. Sports and other thing? Eh, that did occur, but mostly with indoor sports.

 

[BaconPancakes]

The people crying what about the children are the same ones taking their kids to a crowded theme park during the pandemic. The cognitive dissonance is real…

 

[hopemax]

I also know that Delta is more transmissible than the strain from last year, but does anyone have viable scientific studies that show it is more deadly to children? Honestly curious, not being sarcastic here.

So far it seems to be more along the lines of: "as sample size increases, then raw numbers of specific outcomes also increase." The same as how we saw certain outcomes increase when vaccines went from trial groups into the whole population.

Unfortunately, that seems to be enough to fill pediatric ICUs with patients experiencing COVID pneumonia, in areas with a major outbreak.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

The people crying what about the children are the same ones taking their kids to a crowded theme park during the pandemic. The cognitive dissonance is real…

I have no intention of visiting WDW or any other Disney park for quite a while. I'm pretty sure @Angel Ariel feels the same if not close to how I feel.

 

[Angel Ariel]

Someone with an education can phrase it much more eloquently than I.

Thank you.

Back to my less eloquent summary.

Your kid is not safe in school.

You can write out your 47 step plan to keep them safe.

This is not the same situation as last year.

Glad school worked out last year.

This is 300% worse.

I understand all this is to keep your kids “more safe”

We need to define what is an acceptable level of safety to begin with.

If “more safe” does not meet the minimum threshold of what we define as safe, that’s a big problem.

This is a confusing sentence for me but I’ll try it.

If we have parents who feel safe sending their kids to school, because they are being “more safe”, when in reality they are not safe, then the level of safety has been obfuscated by the layers of “more safe” mitigation’s, that end up falling short of the end goal.

I believe you were the one talking to me about accepting the reality of the situation.

The reality is that state law prevents my district from doing what it did last year, regardless of delta’s status. Do I agree with it? Nope. But I can’t change it either. I have to accept the reality.

I am thankful to live in an area with a high vaccination rate, but that doesn’t mean I am unaware of the risks. I am well and fully aware. And I wish I had a different option. But I don’t. So I will do what I can to ensure the only option available be as safe as possible.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I believe you were the one talking to me about accepting the reality of the situation.

The reality is that state law prevents my district from doing what it did last year, regardless of delta’s status. Do I agree with it? Nope. But I can’t change it either. I have to accept the reality.

I am thankful to live in an area with a high vaccination rate, but that doesn’t mean I am unaware of the risks. I am well and fully aware. And I wish I had a different option. But I don’t. So I will do what I can to ensure the only option available be as safe as possible.

Our Dept of Education removed hybrid and remote from the table last year, too.

 

[Angel Ariel]

I'm not saying you should or should not pull your kids. My post was more about the emotions that accompany the decision. I'm afraid that parents think "safer" means something more than it does. X being safer than Y means nothing if X is also "not safe enough." So if you believe it is "safe enough" I'd rather people say that instead of safer. "Safe enough" implies a threshold has been crossed that "safer" doesn't. If someone can't say they believe it is "safe enough," then I hope there is at least a mental acknowledgement that a decision is risk/reward based and not safety. It's fine to make risk/reward decisions. It's enough to make a decision on risk/reward. But people seem to feel the need to reassure themselves further by saying it's safer than X. But in the end, if there is an infection, it won't be reassuring at all, and quite possibly distressing if people mislead themselves along the way.

I don’t believe it is “safe enough”, or I’d say that. It is safER, but not safe enough. But what I would say is safe enough isn’t an option where I live, so I have to adjust.

 

[KrzyKtty]

Our Dept of Education removed hybrid and remote from the table last year, too.

Mine three. I have no real choice at this point. I can't homeschool so school it is.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Mine three. I have no real choice at this point. I can't homeschool so school it is.

I feel like at multiple levels, choices are being made prematurely...including this one.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Why do we care about the unvaccinated by choice crowd again? They made their beds and now they get to lie in it.

In addition to all the other reasons people gave for why we should care... you can care for purely selfish economic reasons. Have you seen the price of lumber lately? Have you tried to buy any large end-items? Did you like the toilet paper shortages last year? Do you like having a decent selection of groceries? Do you like being able to eat out and not wait three hours because the restaurant is short-staffed? Do you like having readily-available tradesmen to fix your leaky pipes?

Even if an outbreak doesn't directly affect the healthcare infrastructure where you live, the economy can't function at full steam if a significant portion of population is always out sick or even worse, dying at a high rate. I've used up my compassion to feel bad for the willfully stubborn idiots like the guy in the video who refuses vaccination even after he was hospitalized. But although I don't feel bad for them personally anymore, I still want them to make the right choice, for the good of us all.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

In addition to all the other reasons people gave for why we should care... you can care for purely selfish economic reasons. Have you seen the price of lumber lately? Have you tried to buy any high-end item? Did you like the toilet paper shortages last year? Do you like having a wide selection of groceries?

Even if an outbreak doesn't directly affect the healthcare infrastructure where you live, the economy can't function at full steam if a significant portion of population is always out sick or even worse, dying at a high rate. I've used up my compassion to feel bad for the willfully stubborn idiots like the guy in the video who refuses vaccination even after he was hospitalized. But although I don't feel bad for them personally anymore, I still want them to make the right choice, for the good of us all.

Yup...I warned hubby to be ready for shortages again.

 

[mmascari]

Is this a carrot or a stick?




Technically, they didn't require everyone to get the vaccine. But, not getting it comes with some very real financial risk. Last post in the thread really sends a strong message.

 

[Figgy1]

Is this a carrot or a stick?




Technically, they didn't require everyone to get the vaccine. But, not getting it comes with some very real financial risk. Last post in the thread really sends a strong message.

It's a carrot and a stick IMHO. Get vaccinated and you have the potential to make more, don't and maybe make less