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Hold the CCP accountable for kicking off the deaths of 4 million people? No? Ok.
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oceanbreeze77
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oceanbreeze77
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we can't move forward unless we implement mandatory vaccines. Sure, us vaccinated folks can do what we want, but we also gotta think abut how the plague of the unvaccinated impacts healthcare and other areas of infrastructure. Mandatory vaccines can't happen until at least one gets full approval. We are in a holding position right now.
More infectious Delta variant makes up 83% of new US coronavirus cases as vaccine hesitancy persists | CNN
The more contagious Delta variant of coronavirus now makes up 83% of sequenced samples in the United States, US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said Tuesday.www.cnn.com
if this is true, then all the reports of low infections in vaccinated people currently in the US should continue going forward, proving yet again, this is only a “plague amongst the unvaccinated.”
It’s like the CDC, Surgeon General, and Dr Fauci know what they’re talking about, who would have guessed.
Unvaccinated: Panic, and immediately go get your shots
Vaccinated: Keep Calm and live on!
Also, kids less then 12 continue to be well protected from severe disease.
DisneyFan32
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When the vaccines will gets full approval soon?
oceanbreeze77
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I think I read Pfizer may get it sometime in August??? Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
correcaminos
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could be sooner but they have a deadline of Jan 2022 https://www.healio.com/news/infecti...de-on-full-approval-of-pfizerbiontech-vaccine
JoeCamel
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By doing what?
Heppenheimer
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Changing tack...
I'll link the article when I'm on my computer, but it looks like at least one pharmaceutical company is developing a COVID nasal spray vaccine. The intention is to stimulate secretory antibodies in the nasal mucosa, because this is where the coronavirus most often enters the body.
The article did not mention if this will serve as an adjunct or an alternative to the existing vaccines, but I imagine the former case is more likely. Also no mention on the mechanism of the vaccine, which is currently in stage I clinical trials.
I'll link the article when I'm on my computer, but it looks like at least one pharmaceutical company is developing a COVID nasal spray vaccine. The intention is to stimulate secretory antibodies in the nasal mucosa, because this is where the coronavirus most often enters the body.
The article did not mention if this will serve as an adjunct or an alternative to the existing vaccines, but I imagine the former case is more likely. Also no mention on the mechanism of the vaccine, which is currently in stage I clinical trials.
To come back to this, it looks like the CDC updated their totals and perhaps there was a data issue -
What makes you think once they have full approval we will move towards mandatory vaccines.
Everyone keeps telling me it’s impossible.
disneygeek90
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Did Florida update their zero cases?
DisneyFan32
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CDC monitoring 200 people in 27 states for monkeypox
The CDC is monitoring more than 200 people in 27 states for possible exposure to monkeypox, after they were in contact with a Texan who contracted the rare disease in Nigeria earlier this month. No…
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Flugell
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Yes I do disagree with many of the things you post but agree with many as well. Regarding nightclubs I tend to agree with you. They should have remained closed until all over 18’s have had the chance to be vaccinated and then proof of vaccination required as the government has announced will happen in September. Perhaps I need to add that I’ve never been in a night club and at the age of 63 feel that it’s unlikely to happen now so don’t understand how they work or what the attraction is!
As for the airport officials, the article you cited comes from a newspaper that I have always found to be utterly biased and largely unreliable from an impartial perspective. (e.g. Their education coverage, from my personal experience of teaching for over 30 years is always very far from the truth.)
It was an “exclusive “ and from an anonymous source, which always rings alarm bells for me.
Having researched further it would appear that the article possibly contains an element of truth. However according to the Financial Times it appears that there is a new electronic system in place that allows customs, passport officials, immigration officials to be informed if there is a problem.
Border checks cut on people returning from green and amber list countries
Officials at English ports and airports instructed not to do full examinations on passengers’ paperwork
www.ft.com
Whether this will prove to happen and be effective remains to be seen.
No one in the world has got everything right and the true tragedy is that every new change from lockdown and mandates impacts on lives and deaths. People are all too aware if they need to quarantine or test if they return from abroad and if they follow the rules then border checks shouldn’t be required. I share your lack of faith that this will happen 100% of the time.
The main reason I support the actions the government is taking in continuing to unlock are as follows.:-
1. The question if not now, when?
2. The weather is better so more events will naturally occur outside.
3. Most schools have broken up so that reduces a lot of potential spread.
4. Our vaccination rates are good and continuing to improve.
5. The most important, infection rates are depressingly high and although hospitalisations are increasing, deaths are surprisingly low. Any death should be avoided and mourned and today was high but a Monday is never reflective of daily numbers-Saturday and Sunday are always low and the undercount is included on Monday.
6. My husband is immunocompromised so we are continuing to remain isolated so I suppose that personally it has little to no impact on us directly but according to friends and my son, most people are still wearing masks when they would have done before! Estimated between 80 and 90%. The large supermarkets are still requesting people to do so as are many servers in pubs.
7. Free tests are available to everyone to use at home, supplied in packs of seven and available from many shops, libraries, sports centres or through the NHS website and delivered through the post within 2 days. Pop up vaccination and testing centres are in high areas of infection and do not require appointments.
I have no idea, just like everyone else, including Boris Johnson and Keir Starmer whether this is the correct way to go but I have far more faith in Boris than his opponent. I realise that this is a personal decision just as yours is to disagree. The good thing is that we both fundamentally want what is best for the U.K. (England.)
Like you I would call out a government of any political party if I felt they were in dereliction of duty. If it appears that we need to go back into “lockdown” and it doesn’t happen then I may consider changing my allegiance, though would have to be massively persuaded!
However the dereliction of duty seems to be more apparent in the USA where states have mandated that proof of vaccination cannot be requested and people are in favour of bribery for vaccinations.
DisneyCane
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Unless a person who worked in the lab got infected accidentally and spread it to the nearby community. I think that is the theory more than some virus got out of the window.
LittleBuford
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Thank you for your response.Yes I do disagree with many of the things you post but agree with many as well. Regarding nightclubs I tend to agree with you. They should have remained closed until all over 18’s have had the chance to be vaccinated and then proof of vaccination required as the government has announced will happen in September. Perhaps I need to add that I’ve never been in a night club and at the age of 63 feel that it’s unlikely to happen now so don’t understand how they work or what the attraction is!
As for the airport officials, the article you cited comes from a newspaper that I have always found to be utterly biased and largely unreliable from an impartial perspective. (e.g. Their education coverage, from my personal experience of teaching for over 30 years is always very far from the truth.)
It was an “exclusive “ and from an anonymous source, which always rings alarm bells for me.
Having researched further it would appear that the article possibly contains an element of truth. However according to the Financial Times it appears that there is a new electronic system in place that allows customs, passport officials, immigration officials to be informed if there is a problem.
Border checks cut on people returning from green and amber list countries
Officials at English ports and airports instructed not to do full examinations on passengers’ paperwork
Whether this will prove to happen and be effective remains to be seen.
No one in the world has got everything right and the true tragedy is that every new change from lockdown and mandates impacts on lives and deaths. People are all too aware if they need to quarantine or test if they return from abroad and if they follow the rules then border checks shouldn’t be required. I share your lack of faith that this will happen 100% of the time.
The main reason I support the actions the government is taking in continuing to unlock are as follows.:-
1. The question if not now, when?
2. The weather is better so more events will naturally occur outside.
3. Most schools have broken up so that reduces a lot of potential spread.
4. Our vaccination rates are good and continuing to improve.
5. The most important, infection rates are depressingly high and although hospitalisations are increasing, deaths are surprisingly low. Any death should be avoided and mourned and today was high but a Monday is never reflective of daily numbers-Saturday and Sunday are always low and the undercount is included on Monday.
6. My husband is immunocompromised so we are continuing to remain isolated so I suppose that personally it has little to no impact on us directly but according to friends and my son, most people are still wearing masks when they would have done before! Estimated between 80 and 90%. The large supermarkets are still requesting people to do so as are many servers in pubs.
7. Free tests are available to everyone to use at home, supplied in packs of seven and available from many shops, libraries, sports centres or through the NHS website and delivered through the post within 2 days. Pop up vaccination and testing centres are in high areas of infection and do not require appointments.
I have no idea, just like everyone else, including Boris Johnson and Keir Starmer whether this is the correct way to go but I have far more faith in Boris than his opponent. I realise that this is a personal decision just as yours is to disagree. The good thing is that we both fundamentally want what is best for the U.K. (England.)
Like you I would call out a government of any political party if I felt they were in dereliction of duty. If it appears that we need to go back into “lockdown” and it doesn’t happen then I may consider changing my allegiance, though would have to be massively persuaded!
However the dereliction of duty seems to be more apparent in the USA where states have mandated that proof of vaccination cannot be requested and people are in favour of bribery for vaccinations.
I hope you’ll forgive me for keeping this relatively brief, but for me, it really boils down to the first of your questions: “If not now, when?” My answer: Not when cases are skyrocketing, not before medical experts and NHS workers think it’s appropriate, and most certainly not until every adult in England who wants to be vaccinated has had that opportunity. “Freedom Day” (a cynical and gimmicky name befitting Johnson’s shabby theatrics) is premature by any sensible measure. It needn’t have been this way, and the result is going to be more cases, more illness, and more death. For a government to go ahead with this knowing what lies in store is unconscionable, though hardly surprising given the recent revelations from Cummings (and yes, he is to believed—Downing Street has issued no denial of his claims).
Flugell
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Sorry too to both of you but it isn’t just because you’re in the USA! We haven’t seen our younger son, who lives in Cardiff (Wales) since Christmas 2020 because of different rules, his holiday allowance and our elder son catching Covid (fortunately mildly) at the time he was due to visit!
Hopefully that will change on the 15th August!
BrianLo
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Is now the time for us to accept that Americans imported COVID-19 to America (via Western Europe) and it was Americans that proceeded to spread COVID-19 across America, because American's proved inept at recognizing and testing for something that had already been sequenced and warned about, well prior to said event?
Almost nothing suggests the US would have capably warned the world any earlier. The lack of accountability is a cop-out. Given the tools they still managed to prevent almost nothing. The US was not a first wave country (China), it was not the second wave countries (S. Korea, Japan, Iran), it was not the third wave countries (Western Europe)... it was the fourth.
They certainly failed to warn Canada, our entire first wave was driven by under-recognition of how wide spread COVID-19 was in the NE US. Our fatal error was not closing the US border sooner; but still we have our own accountability to live up to. Blaming another country doesn't remove how we too dropped the ball.
Almost nothing suggests the US would have capably warned the world any earlier. The lack of accountability is a cop-out. Given the tools they still managed to prevent almost nothing. The US was not a first wave country (China), it was not the second wave countries (S. Korea, Japan, Iran), it was not the third wave countries (Western Europe)... it was the fourth.
They certainly failed to warn Canada, our entire first wave was driven by under-recognition of how wide spread COVID-19 was in the NE US. Our fatal error was not closing the US border sooner; but still we have our own accountability to live up to. Blaming another country doesn't remove how we too dropped the ball.
Flugell
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They are all used correctly though!You use too many apostrophes in your sentences...
KrzyKtty
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I have a firm belief that even when they get full approval, just about everybody that's still dragging their legs will come up with a new excuse for not getting it then.
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