Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Jwink

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I was just wondering if that kind of accommodation was available since Disney is not checking the vaccination status of guests. It sounds like he is doing everything possible to keep safe absent having to find a different job, which is always easier said than done. Also, it seems the mitigation measures are pretty much gone everywhere, especially in Florida, so I'm not sure even changing jobs would be a sufficient answer. But you don't think vaccination plus two masks plus a shield along with working behind the scenes and maintaining a six foot distance is enough to keep someone safe? I don't know you or your situation, so maybe the answer is no - that has to be difficult.
For the first Covid that came out absolutely I think that these efforts would be really good but we don’t know the extent of Delta or even Alpha in regards to transmission. It just worries me because the warehouse he works in is not well ventilated so it’s just possible for him to run into someone else’s sneeze or something but that’s what his protective gear is for so I think that you’re right that he’s doing everything to keep us as safe as possible.
 

Wendy Pleakley

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My son and family all had COVID. They were unvaccinated. Son had a 24 hour flu. Kids - 11,9 and 6 no symptoms - were only tested because parents had COVID. When a child is much more likely to die of the flu and those who COVID affects most are vaccinated then it is ridiculous to demand children be vaccinated or wear masks. If you trust the vaccine then trust it - if you don't trust it then why did you get vaccinated yet continue to wear masks which are not protecting you unless you never touch them and change them regularly - like multiple times a day. We have to return to some semblance of common sense.

The phrase "using common sense" makes no sense in regards to COVID. How can one apply common sense to a very new phenomenon?

We are still learning about the virus and the impact it has on different age groups. Assuming kids will be fine and face zero consequences from catching COVID isn't common sense. We don't know enough to draw such absolute conclusions.

It seems to me, that being precautious as we continue to learn more is closer to a common sense approach, especially with things like the Delta variant changing the playing field every day.
 

Animaniac93-98

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On the vaccine front, we have reached 67% of adults with one shot. We will not reach 70% today so we will come up short of Biden’s target for 70% by July 4th. It looks like it will be about 3-4 additional weeks to hit 70%. Based on the most recent poll 24% of the unvaccinated are still saying they will get the vaccine eventually. Based on 33% of adults unvaccinated that puts us at a max of 75% of adults vaccinated. It’s not likely we get much higher than that. On the delta variant, the coverage of the threat has not moved the needle on the vaccine hesitant. The vast majority of the unvaccinated feel the government is exaggerating the situation.

I have no idea if 67% or 70% or 75% of adults vaccinated is enough, but that’s the hand we have been dealt so let’s all hope so. Sadly if there are more large scale outbreaks going forward that will increase the number immune….just doing it the hard way.


Getting 70% of Americans to agree on anything is almost impossible, so I don't think it's going to get better than 75% either.
 

correcaminos

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My son and family all had COVID. They were unvaccinated. Son had a 24 hour flu. Kids - 11,9 and 6 no symptoms - were only tested because parents had COVID. When a child is much more likely to die of the flu and those who COVID affects most are vaccinated then it is ridiculous to demand children be vaccinated or wear masks. If you trust the vaccine then trust it - if you don't trust it then why did you get vaccinated yet continue to wear masks which are not protecting you unless you never touch them and change them regularly - like multiple times a day. We have to return to some semblance of common sense.
Last numbers I saw, a low flu year would be less deadly. So far this is about the same as an average flu year. I wouldn't say kids are much more likely to die of the flu. That's an argument people use I think to justify not masking. I do flu shots for my kid and family to help protect. I did the same with covid.

Some who are vaccinated do not have the best immune systems so the vaccine may not work well. You can get covid if vaccinated and if you are higher risk, it can be more of a flu like or bad cold as even seen here....

Just because your son and kids were lucky means all are. People act like the pandemic is over - it's not. There needs to be some responsibility by non-vaccinated. I do not see it enough locally. My state is not even 50% vaccinated. That's really bad!
 

correcaminos

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Our vet of 30 years isn't even letting humans in with their pets yet. I'm very close to calling it a day and going elsewhere. :(

I called this week to get our cat looked (seems to have been drinking a lot and want to check blood sugar and kidney function) but they can't see her for 12 days. They used to be all walk in all day. If something came up, you could show up and wait to see the doctor same day quite easily. No more. Can't even enter the building.

I'm so sad but think it's time to break ties. The pandemic just keeps giving.
Our vet just started seeing in person a couple weeks ago. With a cat it is rough. I can get day of and even remote appointments if needed. Not all can do this though. Mine never had wait same day but did have drop off which they did still (I used a couple times unfortunately due to a weird vaccine reaction by one cat, and an injury for another). Good luck finding a good vet. I know it's been hard on many! Our emergency vet at Ohio State had to suspend overnight hours due to lack of work force. Quite sad, as they are 2 miles away. Our one cat with allergies cannot get in yet to the specialists there either. With hours cut and precautions they take, it's hard to find a place to take new non emergent appointments.
For the first Covid that came out absolutely I think that these efforts would be really good but we don’t know the extent of Delta or even Alpha in regards to transmission. It just worries me because the warehouse he works in is not well ventilated so it’s just possible for him to run into someone else’s sneeze or something but that’s what his protective gear is for so I think that you’re right that he’s doing everything to keep us as safe as possible.
As much as I do not judge what people do with masks, we do know what Alpha does with vaccines. It's the original variant discovered. We also know that vaccines do protect well when fully vaccinated against Delta. I get worries, but unless a high risk person, 2 masks and a face shield while distancing would not be necessary and is kinda overkill. Have faith in the vaccine. Very few breakthrough cases occur and most are not worse than a bad cold with most being asymptomatic or mild. Now if one person is high risk and unable to be vaccinated in the home I understand, but even then a shield and mask is more than enough. I know it's hard to trust vaccines, but they are way more effective than what he's doing now. Of course do what's comfortable. Best wishes to you!
 
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Incomudro

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This is all easy to say until your child or your loved one becomes a statistic. That’s all I’m gonna say you don’t know me you don’t know my situation and you don’t know any of my children’s underlying conditions.
But they're highly unlikely to become a statistic.
 

BrianLo

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But they're highly unlikely to become a statistic.

And even better to hold out for a vaccine (or non-economy busting temporary mitigations) to make that even more unlikely.

The vast majority of kids do quite well, but MIS-C is a bit of the unfortunate hold out for the elementary age group and major reason it’s not practical to leave kids unprotected.

It’s being downplayed because unfortunately we can’t immunize that age group yet and adults are tired.
 

ImperfectPixie

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You're not wrong! We also have a lot of people who claim they cannot force kids to wear masks when they (adults) don't have to so they just choose nothing for kids. I'm actually glad we had mask mandates/rules for all until more or less my kid was vaccinated.
We've had zero issues with our kids wearing masks while we didn't need to. Our youngest knows he still needs to mask up (he's 10, so not able to be vaccinated yet) and asked why I was wearing one even though I didn't "have" to.

I really hate to see parents make excuses so they don't have to put any effort into their kids.
 

DonniePeverley

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This is the uks exit wave which was always predicted it’s better to have an exit wave in the summer because if you push it back to the autumn or winter the outcome will be even worse

Or you needlesly have a peak now, risk new variants, inflict herd immunity on a population without knowing if Herd immunity is a thing,
 

DonniePeverley

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Not a great week for cases, but not a disaster either.

About a 7-10% increase in infections over the week. What is for sure is the fall in cases seems to have stopped. Let's hope the Delta variant doesn't take a hold like it's ripping through the UK, which is seeing an almost 100% week on week increase.
 

danlb_2000

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Interesting survey about vaccine hesitancy. 30% of the people surveyed said that they would definitly or probably not get the vaccine. Of these 73% said that the risk of the delta-variant was being exaggerated.

 

correcaminos

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We've had zero issues with our kids wearing masks while we didn't need to. Our youngest knows he still needs to mask up (he's 10, so not able to be vaccinated yet) and asked why I was wearing one even though I didn't "have" to.

I really hate to see parents make excuses so they don't have to put any effort into their kids.
I had zero issues myself. Granted I knew I was fully vaccinated in January, so mentally I had longer to adjust, but you can better believe this spring that my kid wore when I did not during a small gathering after a friend died (he was the only one not vaccinated and some were waiting on full 2 weeks to pass). Granted there are some with certain inabilities to grasp differences on a mental level, but your nueotupocal kid over a certain age can absolutely get the differences. Like my kid was in the back and boostered long after I was. Even when he was my size but 10, he was still in the back of the car. My rules aren't always kid's rules.
 

ImperfectPixie

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I had zero issues myself. Granted I knew I was fully vaccinated in January, so mentally I had longer to adjust, but you can better believe this spring that my kid wore when I did not during a small gathering after a friend died (he was the only one not vaccinated and some were waiting on full 2 weeks to pass). Granted there are some with certain inabilities to grasp differences on a mental level, but your nueotupocal kid over a certain age can absolutely get the differences. Like my kid was in the back and boostered long after I was. Even when he was my size but 10, he was still in the back of the car. My rules aren't always kid's rules.
The son I mentioned is 10 and has moderate autism...if he can grasp it, anyone can. The number of parents of children I've seen making excuses throughout this whole thing is really sad and pathetic. Parents need to stop worrying about being liked and do their dang job.
 

DonniePeverley

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Interesting survey about vaccine hesitancy. 30% of the people surveyed said that they would definitly or probably not get the vaccine. Of these 73% said that the risk of the delta-variant was being exaggerated.


If you introduced vaccine passports to get into certain venues like sports events, music events, theme parks, holidays etc - then you could prop that figure up higher. Not sure offering a lottery ticket or some burgers is going to swing it, and instead comes across as patronising.
 

correcaminos

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The son I mentioned is 10 and has moderate autism...if he can grasp it, anyone can. The number of parents of children I've seen making excuses throughout this whole thing is really sad and pathetic. Parents need to stop worrying about being liked and do their dang job.
We have a family friend who has down syndrome and they do not. However safety reasons suggest not to mask even though they are higher risk (it stinks really). I'm not sure all 2 or 3yos understand either but real preschool age kids who do not have issues should get it.
 
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