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Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

GoofGoof

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is this danger right now by fall/winter. Is NJ and NY will have a major problem now? I don't want to back to wear masks and social distancing by fall/winter!:eek:
No worries. The vaccines work. Kansas and Missouri are both in the bottom half of states based on vaccination rate with less than half the population with at least 1 shot. NJ is at 63% and still going. The places with lower vaccination rates will be more likely to face a surge in cases. You are good.
 

Heppenheimer

Well-Known Member
I'm going to make a prediction... and we've seen how accurate predictions have been over the past year, so I may eventually end up eating these words.

But given the still-robust response in fully vaccinated individuals against all the variants of concern thus far, I'm going to predict that these people have little to worry about for their own health and safety going forward. If you and your family are fully vaccinated (and nobody in your immediate family or household, including yourself, is vulnerable with immunosuppression or severe heart and/or lung disease), go off and live your life as best you can under the present circumstances. Your personal health risk from the pandemic is largely over.

However, that doesn't mean the pandemic still won't affect you. If there's another wave that sweeps through the unvaccinated population, the current supply and labor crunches could get even worse, which will probably ramp up inflation, putting more pressure on the Fed to raise interest rates, which will put a brake on the economic recovery.

Does this count for our new policy of a mixing a little bit of optimism with pessimism?
 

Touchdown

Well-Known Member
I'm going to make a prediction... and we've seen how accurate predictions have been over the past year, so I may eventually end up eating these words.

But given the still-robust response in fully vaccinated individuals against all the variants of concern thus far, I'm going to predict that these people have little to worry about for their own health and safety going forward. If you and your family are fully vaccinated (and nobody in your immediate family or household, including yourself, is vulnerable with immunosuppression or severe heart and/or lung disease), go off and live your life as best you can under the present circumstances. Your personal health risk from the pandemic is largely over.

However, that doesn't mean the pandemic still won't affect you. If there's another wave that sweeps through the unvaccinated population, the current supply and labor crunches could get even worse, which will probably ramp up inflation, putting more pressure on the Fed to raise interest rates, which will put a break on the economic recovery.

Does this count for our new policy of a mixing a little bit of optimism with pessimism?

Inflation is here before that happens I predict some financial pain in the near term.

However, after the Black Death Europe experienced unprecedented growth, because so many people died, workers were a high demand item and received higher wages it pretty much ended serfdom. Life got really good. We haven’t had nearly as much death as the Black Plague so I expect this will be muted but usually, and this includes the Spanish Flu, after a few years of turmoil pandemics are typically followed by a period of economic prosperity. I suspect something similar will occur this time, but we have 1-3 years of economic turmoil before that happens.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
I'm going to make a prediction... and we've seen how accurate predictions have been over the past year, so I may eventually end up eating these words.

But given the still-robust response in fully vaccinated individuals against all the variants of concern thus far, I'm going to predict that these people have little to worry about for their own health and safety going forward. If you and your family are fully vaccinated (and nobody in your immediate family or household, including yourself, is vulnerable with immunosuppression or severe heart and/or lung disease), go off and live your life as best you can under the present circumstances. Your personal health risk from the pandemic is largely over.

However, that doesn't mean the pandemic still won't affect you. If there's another wave that sweeps through the unvaccinated population, the current supply and labor crunches could get even worse, which will probably ramp up inflation, putting more pressure on the Fed to raise interest rates, which will put a brake on the economic recovery.

Does this count for our new policy of a mixing a little bit of optimism with pessimism?
Perfect mix.👍👍👍👍

I also share some concern for the economy but I do hope that the labor supply issues clear up some once the extra Federal unemployment runs out in September.
 

Touchdown

Well-Known Member
Perfect mix.👍👍👍👍

I also share some concern for the economy but I do hope that the labor supply issues clear up some once the extra Federal unemployment runs out in September.
There is also a very easy way to fix the labor shortage if it doesn’t, it’s a trick the US has done many times, and I suspect will turn to again: immigration. We are one of the few countries in the world that people still strive to be a part of (unlike say China) and we will use that to our advantage.
 

Nick_A

On the edge of glory.

Jrb1979

Well-Known Member

Starting July 5th fully vaccinated Canadians will be able to cross the border without having to quarantine upon return. A negative test will still be required and you must download the ArriveCanada app and link your vaccine record to it. It's the start of a vaccine passport. As of now only Canadians can enter Canada still.
 

TrainChasers

Well-Known Member
Perfect mix.👍👍👍👍

I also share some concern for the economy but I do hope that the labor supply issues clear up some once the extra Federal unemployment runs out in September.

I don’t have any data - but I think the labor shortage is because those who were laid off found other ways to make money.

Instacart and UberEats are way more popular now and they all need drivers. I’d much rather deliver groceries on my schedule than work an 8 hour shift at a fast food restaurant. Wouldn’t you?
 

Heppenheimer

Well-Known Member

Starting July 5th fully vaccinated Canadians will be able to cross the border without having to quarantine upon return. A negative test will still be required and you must download the ArriveCanada app and link your vaccine record to it. It's the start of a vaccine passport. As of now only Canadians can enter Canada still.
Anyone know what the current rules are for Canadians crossing the land border into the US?
 

Jrb1979

Well-Known Member
Anyone know what the current rules are for Canadians crossing the land border into the US?
As of now the land border is closed til July 22nd. From what I understand is you still need a negative test to enter the US and one to enter Canada.

As far as US citizens entering Canada, a vaccine passport I likely by fall. I don't know how many Americans will want to deal with that.
 

GoofGoof

Premium Member
I don’t have any data - but I think the labor shortage is because those who were laid off found other ways to make money.

Instacart and UberEats are way more popular now and they all need drivers. I’d much rather deliver groceries on my schedule than work an 8 hour shift at a fast food restaurant. Wouldn’t you?
I think that’s part of it for sure. As more people get comfortable eating out and shopping again I think that swings back the other way though. Eventually there may not be enough orders to make ends meet once everyone goes back to full normal.

The other big issue is for some people they are making close to the same amount or more staying out on unemployment. The pandemic isn’t over so if I could stay home and stay safe vs going in to work for about the same pay I’d probably stay home. I drove yesterday from PA to NC and there are help wanted signs everywhere and many offering $500 to $1,000 in signing bonuses. It’s definitely a good market for job seekers.
 

Heppenheimer

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TrainChasers

Well-Known Member
As more people get comfortable eating out and shopping again I think that swings back the other way though.
It will be interesting to see how that goes. Eating out, yes people clearly want that back.

But I don’t think I’ll ever go back to grocery shopping again. Instantcart is just too easy!
 

Polkadotdress

Well-Known Member
However, that doesn't mean the pandemic still won't affect you. If there's another wave that sweeps through the unvaccinated population, the current supply and labor crunches could get even worse, which will probably ramp up inflation, putting more pressure on the Fed to raise interest rates, which will put a brake on the economic recovery.
In attempt to shop for the soon-to-be college freshman in my house, I've been stymied by the fact that both WalMart stores that we have been to have had nearly-bare shelves in the housewares dept, specifically towels and bedsheets. At first I thought it was just a weird shortage at our store, but when I encountered it at a 2nd store I realized it must be one of those pandemic supply-chain issues.

I can't even fathom what will happen if a hurricane decides to come our way, resulting in panic buying of storm supplies!
 

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