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Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

havoc315

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Personal opinion, especially having no experience with Israel personally. The biggest difference in a sea of perceived differences is Israel’s mandatory service to the country. It causes a deep-seeded sense of teamwork to be a part of something like military service. In no way does it cause people to think in lock-step, but it does foster a sense of “greater good.”

You do indeed know very little of Israel, which is even more polarized than the United States. They haven't even been able to get it together to form a government in the last 2 years. Between the radical right settlers, the religious zealots, the secular centrists, the Israeli Arabs, you think they are more unified than the United States?

They hit 60% vaccination. You really think we can't ever do the same in this country??

 

ABQ

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What makes us inferior? A very vocal and ignorant part of the population who continues to barf anti-science and anti-expert rhetoric.
I think the more appropriate question may be, what makes us more complicated than other nations? To compare the US to Israel is not at all an apples to apples comparison. Even if adjusted for size an population, you are comparing one of the most strict nations to enter and exit vs a 48 state (continental US) nation with 48 different governing bodies open to one another. Possibly, you could compare the US with the EU as a whole, but I'm not sure what sort of travel they have been allowing between each nation either, but when you see the up and down cases from France, Italy, Spain, Greece and so forth you get a better grasp of a group of bordering areas all dealing with similar struggles as the US has.
 

havoc315

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NYC metro last spring would like a word. Italy and Spain might need a translator, but would join the conversation, too. Without the relatively harsh mitigation enacted there it was quickly spiraling in that direction.
Anyway, we have a dang good shot at actually getting ahead of our next wave and turning it into a little crest (nationally). We even have a legitimate shot of holding off that wave with way less suggested mitigation than we have currently, if people continue going out and getting their free and (mostly) easily accessible vaccine.

While I suspect India is dramatically under-counting cases and deaths, their per capita numbers are still significantly better than the US, Italy, etc.
 

wdisney9000

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India. India happens. So, unless you want a world where the stench of a funeral pyre endlessly burns, stop with the nonsense. If you want honest discussion, try a different angle. There’s actually plenty of lively debate in this thread, but very few have a tolerance for adolescent, nonsensical arguments.
Temper temper.... I simply asked a question and you're telling me that asking a question is nonsense? No need to go full tilt totalitarian.

You and many others here apparently only subscribe to a certain sect of data and any data that does not fall in line with your fear based agenda that you have been programmed with is labeled as nonsense and you all form up like Voltron to attack anybody that isn't as afraid as you. The only problem is you're not Voltron. It comes off more like a bunch of raccoons tugging at a trash bag to get something out of it.
 

Touchdown

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Interesting. New Jersey must be filled up with these anti-Vax Muh Freedom types.

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You’re trying to prove what exactly? While the red state/blue state explain some of the national numbers by far the biggest driver is age, if you’re >35 around 50% have been vaccinated, 16-34 around 30%. We need to get the young adults to do their part.

Also, FYI, all but two towns in New Jersey are better then the state of Mississippi.
 

DisneyDebRob

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Why? Because this is the way science works, we make theories based on what we know and then adjust them as we learn more. With a brand new virus sweeping through the world you can't wait until you are sure about the answers before you give them. You do what is best with the data you had at the time. Of course guidance is going to change as we learn more, I don't see how anyone could think otherwise.

As for disposal of masks, it's not like this is some sort of radioactive waste. You aren't going to get sick from walking past a contaminated mask. Most people are smart enough to know that they should throw them in the trash when they are done with them. For the people who don't, no amount of CDC guidelines is going to change the behavior.
How dare you bring science into this conversation. A few here are on a roll!
 

FormerMember

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You’re trying to prove what exactly? While the red state/blue state explain some of the national numbers by far the biggest driver is age, if you’re >35 around 50% have been vaccinated, 16-34 around 30%. We need to get the young adults to do their part.

Also, FYI, all but two towns in New Jersey are better then the state of Mississippi.
I’m trying to prove that the dismissive attitude that anyone who’s not getting vaccinated is some moron hillbilly is bull plop.
 

sullyinMT

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You do indeed know very little of Israel, which is even more polarized than the United States. They haven't even been able to get it together to form a government in the last 2 years. Between the radical right settlers, the religious zealots, the secular centrists, the Israeli Arabs, you think they are more unified than the United States?

They hit 60% vaccination. You really think we can't ever do the same in this country??
I’m not saying political divides don’t exist there. That’s human nature. I’m saying their conscription laws (of which there are any number of exemptions) might help when moving toward the greater good is needed. Vaccines and the use of vaccine passports is way different than political arguments about how to teach common core math or even what to do about their place in the region - it’s more like sugar rationing in the war effort where it’s just “something you do” because at the end of the day the people you argue with about day to day minutiae are still people worth working to save.
 

havoc315

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I’m not saying political divides don’t exist there. That’s human nature. I’m saying their conscription laws (of which there are any number of exemptions) might help when moving toward the greater good is needed. Vaccines and the use of vaccine passports is way different than political arguments about how to teach common core math or even what to do about their place in the region - it’s more like sugar rationing in the war effort where it’s just “something you do” because at the end of the day the people you argue with about day to day minutiae are still people worth working to save.
If anything, their conscription laws divide them more.

But go ahead and put aside Israeli politics. Simple math: 60% vaccination. If other countries can get 60% vaccination, why can't the US??
 

sullyinMT

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If anything, their conscription laws divide them more.

But go ahead and put aside Israeli politics. Simple math: 60% vaccination. If other countries can get 60% vaccination, why can't the US??
Fair enough. I still think we can and will get to 60%. I actually think that end number is higher, but not much. Maybe 65 (70 is a stretch but likely in some areas). What we’re hitting now is a wall based on geography and work schedules conflicting with clinic schedules. Of course, there are plenty of considerations and conversations we can have with the unvaccinated to speed that up and get us to 60% as fast as you and I would like, but we’ve reached the point where we either need patience for a couple months or a passport system.

If the Deep South is still having issues in July, the SEC and ACC just need to announce as a body that no unvaccinated fans will be allowed to attend football games or on-campus tailgates. Only partially kidding.
 

Incomudro

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The whole debate about masks kinda cracks me up.

A mask is nothing compared to a number of items women have worn/tolerated for years: Spanx/girdles, high heeled shoes, make-up, and bras (especially larger sized bras).

A few weeks ago, my local newspaper ran an article about how dress codes have relaxed for those who can work from home. Many women have stopped wearing the items listed above, and more, and they aren't welcoming those items back!

Recently WDW relaxed their dress code, so we'll see. The country is re-thinking many things right now.

I dunno, it just cracks me up a little. Like perhaps we're losing a little perspective.
How many years has it been since woman were expected - let alone required to wear any of those things?
There are certain cultures that do require woman to cover their faces, and many people consider those places to be less than tolerant of woman's rights and freedoms.
 

hopemax

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The parameters led to guidelines. The guidelines have been nothing more than theater. People championed the guidelines of temperature screening and constant cleaning and disinfecting surfaces. They demanded it to keep everyone safe. Now, the same people all agree that temperature screening and cleaning surfaces is a waste of time and resources.
Nope, not accepting your framing. Business championed temperature checks and cleaning because it provided an alternative to closure, and was at a cost they were willing to accept. Upon learning that temperature checks are unreliable, and cleaning is unnecessary for this virus, what we should have done is closure until we identified what would work and could implement it. Studies have confirmed indoor spaces for longer than intermittent contact are unsafe, so preventing SARS-CoV-2 infections required something. Business signaled to policy makers what they were willing to do, and everything else followed. So if you have a problem with what happened, you should direct your energy to the unhelpful influence business had on public health policy.
 

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